And you're presuming that they would've been signed by the Chiefs if they were UDFAs :shrug:

I'm pretty sure the Chiefs are very happy that they didn't have to take the risk of them signing elsewhere.

Like I tried to tell both of you then, I get that thinking generally speaking, but when your GM can find talent anywhere, all picks absolutely have some value. It's not even debatable at this point.

Veach sure does get "lucky" on day 3 a lot.

Keep giving Brad Vagina more 7th round picks!!!

I haven't looked up my opinion in this thread, but I don't need to, because it hasn't changed one bit.

1. I despise Tyreek Hill as a human, and have never been sad to see him go and for my team to not rely anymore on him. I said this when he was winning a Super Bowl for us and virtually bathed in the neg rep that submerged me whenever I said so.

2. I was sad to see his talent go, but while I thought trading him for that draft haul was probably going to cost us a Super Bowl this past year, I knew that inking him to $30m/year was absolutely going to cost us a Super Bowl.

I don't know if that makes me right, or wrong, or some combination of the two. But I do proudly continue to say I hate the guy.

Ok, so when this years 7th rounders aren't contributors do we get to hold that against him?

Trying to get these rules all figured out.

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Not really.

I'm acknowledging the value of the 7ths by saying they eliminate the risk that you wouldn't be able to get those guys signed.

"Some value" /= a full 1 for 1 equivalent of the pick and the player.

I noted there is value in the pick.

:facepalm:

Who the **** said that he's going to bat a thousand in the 7th round now?

So, you still have a bloody vagina over Tyreek after all the evidence has come out and it is almost a guarantee that he was falsely accused of what you hate him for?

You're an interesting study on narcissism, Direckshun. You are almost 100% wrong on every take you have on this board and the majority of the population makes fun of you for being a fool, but here you are giving another dumbass opinion like we all give mountains of ****s what you think.

Getting 7th rounders that contribute isn't the norm, historically.

I'd guess that's what they were trying to get across?

And my point was that Veach's ability to find talent on day 3 isn't "the norm" either.

Maybe that's what I was trying to get across?

Oh my god can we have the Tyreek Hill debate again!?

Is it my birthday??? Do you want to have this discussion again!?

They have found some good players. I'm happy about that.

Every GM has a weakness and thus far Veach’s has been WR’s and TE’s. The MEH pick was pretty goddamn bad too unfortunately.

I think he’s gonna look to change that this year. Really feel like a WR and TE will be picked in the first 4 rds

Lol WTF?

How is TE a weakness for Veach?

The only TE he's drafted has been a day 3 guy and he's been solid considering the cost.

Interior DL is IMO bigger than WR. WRs they've drafted have been fine, added value.

They haven't hit on a big one, but they haven't spent a whole lot on it.

I think we’re gonna see another shot at it in this draft. So far Skyy and Hardman just aren’t good enough.

Toney was highway robbery though. Goddamn what a trade that was

It's similar to the "Why can't the Chiefs draft LBers?!?!" discussion from a few years back.

The answer was they simply weren't trying. They had DJ and they put ZERO draft capital into the position for about a decade.

Once they started making an effort, things have gone pretty damn well.

It's a question of finite resources to address seemingly infinite needs. Sometimes the organization has to pick its battles and maybe putting lesser capital at a position presently manned by possibly the best to ever do it is pretty defensible...

Is there any part of "Veach ****ed up when they drafted CEH" that isn't firmly planted in hindsight?

It was a mistake the minute teh pick was announced.

Good one LMAO

That and the Clark trade seem to be the arguments "against" Burt. If those are the two biggest mistakes, you'll probably win some Super Bowls.

We're just glad you're here to hold the best GM in the league's feet to the fire.

Being a miserable bitch is a tough job, but someone's gotta do it. :shrug:

Lol what?!?!


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That smug sense of moral superiority doesn't recede in the face of facts man.

Here's a good way for us to think about it.

Tyreek effectively retired. He's never going to be relevant to the Chiefs as an opponent since the Dolphins aren't a strong contender, so does it matter if he's still playing or retired? No. So for all practical purposes he pulled a Barry Sanders and retired at the peak of his career, and we got a bunch of draft picks out of it.

I know what you mean. I hate all those people who are getting freed from Death Row because DNA evidence is overturning their convictions. I mean, come on. There's a reason they were on Death Row.

And don't even get me started on that security guard at the Olympics.

Phins fans are mad about this.

It's kind of wild that Tyreek and Juju were relatively quiet on social media in their time with KC when compared to their presence the instant they left here.

nobody hits every draft pick, that would be impossible. Most people here thought CEH was the next Barry Sanders when the pick was made. I have no idea how they got that but I don't watch college ball, maybe he really was special in college. It's just a bad pick, it's not a big deal. Every single team ever has a bad 1st round pick every once in a while.

You don't draft a RB in the 1st would be the legit argument there. I agree with the overall spirit of your comment, but there are honest gripes with that pick.

Yes.

Unless he drafts a pro bowl WR.*

Then he gets a get out of jail free card.

Dems da rules.




*Assuming no DHop or equivalent signing.

This thread rocks lol

Not to butt in, but no one should ever think "here's the next Barry Sanders," ever. There will never be another Barry.

Personally, I thought CEH might be Westbrook light.

Kinda dumb really.

Browns were all up in the DeSean Watson trade that went down on March 18th..Tyreek was traded on the 23rd.

What would have Browns given us in a trade

I don't hate Tyreek but I also don't care to hear him run his mouth anymore. All he's done since leaving KC is run his mouth about all the shit KC DIDN'T do for him instead of all the things they did.

I don't know why they are mad.

The guy clearly has no loyalty. If Browns or another team would have paid him more then that's where he would have went. These types of comments should be expected.

Sounds like bullshit. Dude is just talking to talk.

The more he talks, the more people talk about him etc.

It's all the branding stuff.

I agree.

Whatever, do what you want dude. But the whole "they didn't this or that" come on.

So Tyreek was holding out for more money under threat of going to one of the Chief's primary conf opponents?

And the chiefs are the assholes here???

Gee, what a wonderful teammate.

Tyreek Hill stirs Dolphins-Chiefs pot before the NFL schedule is out

Link:

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2023/...chedule-is-out

Going to be fun to watch him melt down after a poor performance.

Twitter link:
https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2023/...chedule-is-out

{shrug}

No ****s given.

Talk your shit, Tyreek - we won this particular showdown my dude.

That's not a twitter link.

oops, my bad.

Yeah, even if Miami wins in Arrowhead, OK. Bummer. We won the ****ing Bowl.

Yup.

You got turfed, paid and almost set some records - we hung another banner.

Point - Chiefs

He has an 810 banner behind him. All you need to know about this fool.

No way he is having a good game. He is already way too emotionally charged and it is still 6 months out.

Reek is acting like a 15 year old girl who was rejected by her crush.

You have a ring, got your money and get to hang out on south beach. Change your tampon, wipe the tears off your face and move on. You're just being a little bitch now

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We’ll definitely be playing their backup qb that day

Yeah, I am sure Hill wanted to go to Cleveland.

I agree. He comes off like a scorned lover. Bitch move.

The ****er got paid, that's what he wanted? **** him.

Not sure if Skylar Thompson or Mike White will be up for the challenge.

Lulz

"I'm going for 10, man," Hill said. "I'm gonna finish out this contract with the Dolphins and then I'm gonna call it quits. I want to go into the business side. I want to do so many things in my life, bro."

https://www.si.com/nfl/dolphins/news...ngs-in-podcast

**** him! I'm done with this clown. I've always liked him, he's never happy with his choices. When he was given a pass from the team that drafted him!

We all know the story now, Tyreek and the Chiefs had a deal in place. Devante got paid from the Raiders along with Christian Kirk, Tyreek pulled back wanting more money, Chiefs said no or gave him their best offer, Tyreek chose the money. Tyreek chose the money. I don't care how many times I have to say it but Tyreek chose the money. Tyreek chose wrong and cost himself another Super Bowl ring. Now Juju Smith Schuster, Marquez Valdes Scantling, Kadarius Toney, Skky Moore, and Justin Watson have as many rings as he does. Travis Kelce has more than he does now. Tyreek... chose wrong, and chose money over family and the team, and then to pretend like the Browns, Jets or Dolphins were better options than Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid and the Chiefs.

99% of players choose the money, that's the game.

Of course they do. That doesn't make it the right choice or even necessarily a good choice. It's just a choice.

Tyreek made that choice and now he has to live with it. Apparently, though he can't handle being quiet about it.

I heard a reporter talking about it 1 day and he was saying fans really seem to not understand what matters to players.

It's basically

Money......huge gap...coaching staff/city small gap winning

And that may change for an older player who wants a ring because he's going to retire soon but in most cases money accounts for about 95% of the decision.

Not getting the hate for taking the money. At the end of the day, this is his job. The point of a job is to make as much money as you can.

In an environment as violent and volatile as football, where your next play has a chance to be your last, you need to also get it as fast as you can.

Football ends. Taking less money for a "chance" at a championship is not good business when your talent level can bring you the kind of money and guarantees that he got, in a state with no state income tax.

I don't care for his whining, but I don't consider him taking that monster deal to be choosing wrong.

He made it. What's more, he earned it. Now, he wanted to have his cake and eat it too, and he's salty that it didn't work out, and he should work on containing his crying. But he made the correct decision in the big picture.

Many of them do, but I then bring up the great saying of, "The more you **** around, the more you're going to find out." I would actually love to see them poll former NFL greats and ask them how much of their current wealth would they be willing to part with for another Super Bowl ring. I'd like to see the results.

Hill chose greed over another ring. He was offered a lot of money but his ego passed for more money the highest paid wr title. Greed will be the downfall of America.

I think that's gonna depend on the player and how much they made etc.

I always equivocate a little on that statement.

I think you got the right of it - but it wasn't greed; it was ego. He sees money as a proxy for respect (and lets be 100% honest here - many, if not most, of the real world does as well).

If it was strictly money, he doesn't worry at all about that stupid 4th year on the deal that everyone knows he'll never see. But the headlines and the prestige mattered to him.

It was ego. And that's fine - anyone ever think Tyreek was the most humble dude out there? He's played with a chip on his shoulder for most of his career. I'm fine with that.

But he made the choice he made and it's time to move the **** on, dude. Let it go.

Taking a higher paying job isn't an automatic "right" answer unless there's an element of greed to it and yeah, I do think a lot of NFL players and owners let money motivate them more than anything else - that's greed.

In my own situation, I've had the chance to be promoted from an individual contributor to a people leader several times and I've turned down the money every time.

Why? Because the guys and gals above me make 25% more but work 25% more. They travel 75% more and they're in an office almost 100% more. In addition, 80% of them are divorced, alcoholics, or both.

Did Tyreek earn the money? Yep. Did Tyreek make the BEST decision for himself? You'd think so considering what he got paid but his CONTINUED comments about the team he WILLINGLY left suggest he feels at least a little bit that taking the money wasn't the best decision.

Tyreek wanted that money and to stay, he didn't really want to compromise, that's all this is.

Nobody ever really wants to go to Cleveland, unless the only other option is Detroit.

He's clearly upset that the Chiefs put the overall team structure ahead of keeping him on at the price he got elsewhere.

He wanted to be the highest paid and still continue to destroy the league with Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelce.

I think it eats away at him knowing Patrick put up NFL record numbers with several dudes he just met, right after he left. What's more, he won the superbowl with them.

He knows he took the money, he knows he could have stayed if he wanted to, but his ego can't allow hom to be wrong, so he has to turn it around to make the organization look bad, and play it off like he wasn't wanted, so he doesn't look like a greedy moron for leaving.

You don't need to look any further than his claims that he asked for AJ Brown money when that deal wasn't even done yet.

Until Tyreek settles up with himself about the decision he made, we will always hear him talking this way about KC.

But in the end, he really won. He's got a ring and he's set financially for life. Coming from that courtroom in college, to now, he's already won.

He just needs to stfu and enjoy it.

I think it's even more than that. I think he was friends with some of these guys and likely doesn't have a lot of friends. He talks to hear himself talk though, strikes me as one of these guys who you tolerate and then when they leave you don't miss at all. We've all been there.

You also have what, 35 years to make your money? Some of these guys have 10 max years of earning that they then have to live off of for life.

If they wanna max their earnings, that's fine. I never have a quibble with it, don't blame them at all.

But if you do that, be honest about it. That's what you did, no one cares, just move on.

He's a WR guys. Think back to all the WR's in NFL history. They seem to be the most humble, quiet guys?

It is what it is.

I'd rather live in Cleveland than Cincinnati by a fair bit.

That was exactly my point.

Considering a decent chunk of former players are bankrupt quickly after retirement, I doubt that question would prove anything. I would trade nothing for a ring. Haha.

Basically it would just tell us which players actually were able to manage their money and which couldn't.