I think it's an attempt to grow the network. I'll guarantee these last couple KU games that have been on ESPN are the highest rated games they've had all year.

This might be the most entertaining basketball season. Nebraska has beaten tOSU, Minnesota, and Lost by 1 to Michigan. This is a tournament team next year.

This might be the most entertaining basketball season. Nebraska has beaten tOSU, Minnesota, and Lost by 1 to Michigan. This is a tournament team next year.

Northwestern also beat Wisconsin in Madison. There are only three teams in the Big Ten with winning conference records: Michigan, Michigan State and Iowa. No Big Ten team has an overall record below .500 (yet).

Interesting how totally dead this thread became once basketball season started. Think about what that says, about both fanbases. Think about it.

That reminds me. Did you enjoy your beating by the Big 12-2 overlords?

College basketball is college basketball.

I like the Thunder and the Wolves (and Mizzou), but I still won't watch an entire game. When the playoffs/tournament get here, I'll probably pay more attention.

I also can't imagine why Mizzou fans would talk junk. I don't know a ton about the team, but I do know that our front court isn't very good, while I'm guessing ku's is great. I also have no idea what our record is, but I'm guessing ku's is much, much better.

Me talking junk on ku basketball would be like ku fan talking junk on Mizzou football.

Not quite. But back to the question, why are MU fans obsessed with Charlie Weis and KU football? Judging from the lack of posts here during basketball season the obsession isn't a two-way street. That says it all.

Precisely who is obsessed with Weis and ku football?

It says that basketball just don't have the pull that football does. You guys lost to Texas, and no1curr, even your rivals.

Whatever you say Rust.

LMAO

Haha.

The only ones with an obsession are you and Bambi....think about it.

It's just worth noting how nobody here even cares about Mizzou hoops or the garbage league they play in. And nobody has to even mention it. Says a lot about each fan base.

KU Football and MU Football are very similar in their history. Thus the "smack talking" works well during football season.

Basketball has been far less even so a drop off in activity makes sense.

Also you are seeing the interest in the other school fade by both fan bases. This all began the day MU left the conference.

Wow, what a bullshit post. Mizzou has only won more bowl games than KU has appeared in their history....yeah, that's really similar. All time record-wise, KU is below .500, and getting further under that mark every year, and Mizzou is well above .500, despite a horrible stretch from the mid 80's till when Pinkel arrived.

As usual, your post is inaccurate and full of lies. This all began the day KU ended the rivalry by having a stick up their ass.

I lol'ed

KU has played on a bigger stage than MU and has more hall of famers. A 50/50 all time split with MU, etc etc

The programs are much closer to each other than the basketball programs. It's not even a discussion.

No one would debate the football programs being closer to each other than the basketball programs. Basketball is top 5 all time vs. top 40. Football is top 40 (Missouri) vs. top 60.

But the football programs are not anywhere near as close as you and others like to make them out. Yes, the historical series is almost exactly 50/50. Yes, KU has 3 players in the NFL Hall of Fame while Missouri has just two.

But every other comparison comes out strongly in Missouri's favor:

Conference titles: 15 vs. 9
Division titles (including ties to prevent Kansas shutout): 4 vs. 1
Bowl appearances: 30 vs. 12
Bowl wins: 14 vs. 7
Consensus All Americans: 12 vs. 6
Major Bowl appearances (this is how it will be counted going forward): 10 vs. 3 (note: Even just counting Orange bowl appearances, Missouri wins this 4 to 3)
All time winning percentage: .549 vs. .496

And if you look at recent trends, the gap grows even wider. Yes, Kansas rode a perfect storm to an Orange Bowl it did not deserve. Congrats. But other than that, Missouri stomps all over Kansas in the Pinkel era. Head-to-head record, winning percentage, players drafted, first round picks, etc.

KU absolutely deserved their Orange Bowl, we've been through this numerous times. They were 5th in the computers, 8th in the polls when selected. There are 10 slots available. The math is clear. Then they beat #3 anyway.

Mizzou got screwed when the Rose took Illinois. Yet Mizzou fans don't seem to mind Illinois (the only non top-10 team to get a bid) stealing.

I know you troll and love to throw the bait, but it's still occasionally fun to point out what a goddamn idiot you are.

KU has more one more player in the NFL HOF than Mizzou?? First off, I fail to see the relevance. Morgan State has more than Nebraska and Auburn combined. And since you're using NFL (not college) as a barometer, how many impact players does KU have in the NFL in the last decade? I can think of one...Talib. Do you know how many Mizzou players are currently in the big leagues? By my count it's 23. But only an idiot would use that as an argument for college relevance so I'll concede that means very little, besides showing you again how stupid you are.

You won on a bigger stage? Yes, congrats Bambi...you won an Orange Bowl game. You've actually played in 3 Orange Bowls though (Mizzou has played in 4). In the 120 years you've fielded a football team, you've made the postseason just 12 times. And won 6 of those bowl games. Mizzou has played in well over DOUBLE the number of bowl games. They've been to 3 Cotton Bowls, 4 Orange Bowls, a Fiesta Bowl and a couple Sugar Bowls. No one spouts off about all of these. You cling to this Orange Bowl win in a year that Mizzou finished ranked higher than you in both the Coaches and AP polls.

It would take adding together your teams wins over the past 5 seasons COMBINED to eclipse the number of wins Mizzou had this year. So, I fail to see exactly how far that one win you cling to gets you. And again, as I've stated to you before, the ONLY team with a pulse you played in 2007 outside of VT was Mizzou. Who beat you on a neutral field. You can put together every possible combination of teams from the South that year and you played the absolute worst three. None of which had anywhere near a winning record. And your non-con schedule was quite close to the worst ever assembled. You literally won ONE game against a "good" opponent.

Let's review where the great success of 2007 has gotten you:

1)your team practices celebrations in the hopes you might sometime win a game
2)you have crowds of less than 10,000 on a regular basis
3)since that OB win, you are 7-44 in conference play, 3-40 in the last 5 years
4)you lost 22 straight games to D1 teams and 27 straight conference games (this is difficult to even do if you try)

So back to your original point, why does the shit-talk thread die down during basketball season? Well, it's mostly because you and soap dropper don't have anyone to argue with. No Mizzou fan thinks we are a better basketball school than you. On top of that, basketball just isn't as popular as football. On this board and in the rest of the world. When this thread is active, 99% of the the talk is rational people telling the two of you to stop fingering each other and come back to reality. It's fun. Most people realize you're trolling. If you truly aren't and believe what you write, than I guess this is even more enjoyable. Either way, I hope you don't ever stop.

I got to this point, and just busted out laughing. Good gawd you're a cretin.

And you still don't understand what conference affiliations mean and the fact that it was impossible for 3 Big12 teams to be in BCS bowls. I don't think going to the Cotton Bowl (on par with the Orange in history and relevance) and dick-stomping an Arkansas team did anything but help Mizzou's image and future. What did your Orange Bowl win do for you?

I think this comparison works. Not too far off.

What's funny about it? I was pointing out just how stupid Bambi was for thinking NFL hall of famer's means anything in relation to college relevance.

I stated if that means something to him, since he used it as a talking point in KU's favor, that maybe he was curious about how many players each team has in the big boy league. And the sentence after I reiterated how meaningless that is to this discussion.

Am I forgetting somebody outside of Talib? Is that why it was funny?

And no rational Mizzou fan would argue this either.

Yesterday's Super Bowl included 2 KU players on rosters. There were 0 from Missouri.

This year's second team all-pro roster included 1 player from Kansas and 1 from Missouri.

It is really interesting that there's no banter during basketball season. If KU fans were like Mizzou fans (bitter, angry, jealous) they'd be talking shit all winter. And yet nobody cares to. It really says a lot about both fan bases. I don't see how anyone could dispute that.

As I noted, it would be silly to talk basketball crap with ku having a much better record. Similarly, it would be stupid for ku fan to talk about football given their dumpster fire of a team over the past several years.

After the SEC Championship embarrassment I thought MU fans deserved better. Plus since they left the conference I don't care about how their season goes.

For my MU friends I want more than anything for them to get to a Final Four but this year it looks like making the tourney might be accomplishment enough.

I forgot about Chris Harris, who had a pretty good and surprising season. I'm not sure I'd call him impact or a household name, but he's a quality NFL player in his young career.

The other guy has like 3 tackles in his career. Claiming him as evidence to KU having a presence in the NFL would be like me saying Chase Coffman and his 4 career catches mean Mizzou puts players in the big show.

I've stated many time over the past couple years that the talent at MU is slightly better than at Kansas right now. This is a tribute to Pinkle and his ability to find "diamonds in the rough". Hopefully for MU this trend is continuing because the players MU is recruiting right now are far from highly rated. Closer to the players Kansas is getting than other teams in the SEC.

Nice troll post. "Slightly better" is laughable and you know it. How many first round picks does Kansas have in the past 10 years? How many players drafted?

Missouri has won 85 games in the past 10 years. Kansas has won 51. There's a sizeable talent gap.

Of course, if you just make it the past 5 years or even past 10 years, things change quite a bit.

KU hoops are top 3 regardless of time period. MU basketball is probably top 30ish, even including the tail end of the Quin Snyder era.

MU football is top 15 in the past 5 and KU football is top 75ish (with 2-3x as many terrible seasons are great ones).

Strange how all that talent hasn't translated to the NFL.

If the talent is so close and comparable, how do you explain the discrepancy in records over the past "couple years"?

KU football record last 4 years: 9-39
MU football record last 4 years: 35-17

LMAO

Coaches have ZERO to do with the raw talent they're given. Got it.

(I know I shouldn't nibble at the bait....)

And here we are, ass deep in basketball season, talking about the relevance of NFL players that had played college ball at either MU or KU.

Football trumps basketball 24/7, 365 days a year.

:LOL:

The talent on a team that finished the season #5 in both polls is slightly better than the talent on a team which has won 1 conference game in the past 4 years? The hell you say.

The Super Bowl was played yesterday. There were 2 KU players involved and 0 for MU. That's why we're talking about it.

:bravo:

I can't find either of their names in the box score. Can you show me where they touched the field??

But that's the whole point: Mizzou fans wanted to talk about Charlie Weis and KU football all fall, yet Kansas fans don't even care to return fire. That's the take-away: Mizzou is obsessed.

Yeah, only 20 guys in the league. Terrible.

You know you don't believe this.

here you go

http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/roster.html

yeah...slightly better than KU

I'm not sure what's so hard to understand about this

I see a roster there. Not a box score. Or any evidence of a player from KU touching the field. You had a guy on injured reserve and another player, Steve Johnson, who in 2 years of being in the NFL has made 15 tackles.

Not quite fair, Harris was their starting CB all season until he just got hurt. Much better nfl player than that loser mega-bust Blaine Gabbert. You don't claim that guy still do you?

This is true. I stated a couple posts earlier that I forgot about him and that he was a solid NFL-er. Doesn't change the fact Bambi is still using him and Johnson by saying KU had two guys playing in the Super Bowl. And yes, Gabbert sucks.

No one cares.

Basketball season doesn't start until March.

Since the talent at Mizzou is only slightly better....how many games would KU have won in the SEC this year?

It is posts like this that show what a dumbass you really are. It not only shows your ignorance, but it shows your Mizzou obsession, since you are unable to acknowledge that a top 5 ranked Mizzou squad is more than "slightly" better than the KU team that won one conference game.

Well Pete Carrol and John Fox both used to be coaches at Iowa State. What's up now!?

Who talked about Charlie?

I did not know that. Pretty cool.

Oh, I understand quite clearly.

You're either a complete troll who gets his jollies by riling up Missouri fans on an internet message board, or a complete idiot. Maybe a little of both.

MU has twice as many players in the NFL right now as KU (with 4-5 more guys about to enter the league in the upcoming draft). MU has had two drafts in the past 5 years in which it had as many first-round picks (2) as KU has in the past 25 years. It has 6 overall in the past 5 years (starting with recruiting cycles 3 and 4 for Pinkel at Mizzou) and 7 this century.

Only a troll or buffoon would call that a "slight" advantage to Missouri. But continue on.

That's a good point.

That's normally about the time it ends in Columbia Mo.

Ahhhh....who is obsessed now?

Their careers. :p

@JonRothstein: Interesting nugget on the Big 12. Six of the conference's 10 coaches coached in the Final Four.

@JonRothstein: The Big 12 has clearly separated itself as the best conference in college basketball. League has eight legitimate teams. No nights off.

LMAO

I'd be willing to bet that you've posted at least as much about MU/SEC in this thread as KU.

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Interesting that ESPN chose to air this one. It would have been a great test balloon for FS1, to see if it could top Oregon-Oregon State as their most viewed game.

Obviously, but the point (again) is that nobody posts when it's basketball season.

Pretty well undercuts your argument that it's the Mizzou fans who are the angry/bitter/jealous ones.

Pretty well makes the point, actually.

As far as basketball vs football, though, you're trying to make a point that doesn't make sense.
A) No reasonable Mizzou fan would argue that we have the talent or success of KU. Good for you guys. Congrats, pilgrim shoes! You're really good at basketball!
B) no reasonable sports fan would argue that basketball foments anywhere near the passion of football. Basketball is nice. I love college basketball. It's great to have a sport on week nights. But people don't (in general) plan entire weekends around basketball games. People don't (in general) take their RVs across the country to go to basketball games. People don't pay nearly the amount of money to go to basketball games as football games.

So less interest in this thread during basketball season? Don't twist yourself all up trying to make it something it isn't.

People are supposed to be impressed with people who take RVs to football games? lol... get some perspective

I think the point was that college football is a far lesser version of the NFL in popularity. Outside of the South, it's not all that popular and the Nielsen numbers bear that out. In areas with an NFL team, the ratings are pedestrian at best for college football.

Most-watched television show of all time? A football game.

Professional sure.

Most advertising dollars spent..

1. Super Bowl
2. College Basketball Final Four

College Football is cute though. Especially in the south.

http://www.kantarmedia.com/sites/kan..._Release_0.pdf

OR you could look at what people are actually watching. The NFL dominates and college football beats college basketball. Of course, I think we already knew that.

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2013...orting-events/

So now the number of viewers doesn't matter but the metric you want to use is advertising dollars spent? You really are a special kind of stupid.

What about advertising dollars spent per individual game/event?

After all, you're comparing a single game to 67 games spread out over the course of a few weeks.

Not exactly apples to apples...

Yes, the tourney does take in more money...but it takes a month and 60 plus games to do it. The super bowl makes its money in four hours.

Hypocritson strikes again.

The NCAA Basketball Championship game per minute is 2nd only to the Super Bowl. Read the link. Just like I said.

Don't be so idiotic.

The CBB crowd is a more affluent/higher brow type of fan. Thus advertisers care more about them than your average CFB fan.

The numbers don't lie.

It's in the link. You're right I should have wrote just the CBB NC Game as opposed to the entire Final Four.