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He never gave that play a chance to develop at all. JJSS hadn't even made his break yet and Mahomes, for no reason, had pulled the ball down and run forward. "Nobody was open!!!" is the cry. I don't really agree - a throw was there to be made to JJSS though yes, it would've been tough. Again, Pat, you're a superstar and this roster is built through you, tough throws are throws you HAVE to make. But that's not even the biggest issue. The biggest issue is that he on the play before there was any way to know if anyone was going to be open anyway. |
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I'm not sure just what the point of the play design was here. It's like a lot of window-dressing to get the short out for JJSS? Why? Just to get JuJu a catch that was never going to go for mor than 5 yds? Yeah, so I watched this 10 times, and it really looks like we tried to manufacture a target/catch for JJSS for a couple yards. None of the releases look like anything other than the other receivers trying to bully their defenders up the field, Watson basically is trying to get in the way of the DB that's trying to cover Juju (unsuccessfully), and because neither Travis nor DHop attempt to do anything other than run their defenders upfield, the spacing's all effed up. No one but juJu is a viable target. Why? Just to say we got him the ball during the game? What was the down/distance on this play? Could this have been some kind of WR screen play that got effed up? |
He played 83% of the snaps last night! That's tied for the highest percentage of snaps for a WR this year. Rice had played in 83% of snaps in week 2.
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Last night Worthy had the best game of the season. Not statistically, obviously, but just being all over the field and catching timely passes. Andy is utilizing him in different ways, not simply as a gadget type like he did early in the season. I really like the fact that he hasn't gotten injured, yet. His thin frame is muscular/bony if that makes any sense. Not thin fat but very lean and bony.
The biggest issue really has been Mahomes not developing chemistry with him because the eye test tells you a different story. He has an incredible ability to create sizeable seperation and Mahomes is not taking advantage of that, partly due to the O Line play but moreso because Mahomes just hasn't developed that consistent connection with him like he did with Rice last season. |
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I mean he has the physical ability to still make some nutty plays which Alex didn't (at least with his arm). But where it's the same is if his first read isn't open, his eyes are dropping, the feet are happy, and about 1/3 of the time it's ending with a sack. The other 1/3 it ends incomplete. And then you get 1/3 of the magic stuff. |
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And I will agree with O. That’s one that can easily go the wrong way if you see the wrong thing. Giving Mahomes some grace, they had man coverage here and they did a good job of switching guys off so it was really sticky. If you pause it as Mahomes hits his drop, Juju’s defender is hidden behind Watson. He probably wasn’t able to see that the guy was getting run through and decided not to risk it. Quote:
Idk the exact terminology for this play but it’s like a hi/low. Or they call it flooding the zone. You’ve got three guys running outs: one short, one medium and the other deep. Ideally you make that call against zone coverage. You’ll have only two defenders in that area and they have to choose which ones to cover. If they cover the two deep guys, you throw to the short man. If they cover the short and the deep, you throw it to the middle guy, etc. It’s not the best route combo against man but it looks like Andy accounted for that by running the guys out of a stacked bunch to create confusion. Ideally in this scenario, defenders get confused and someone comes open on a miscommunication. It’s not a bad call. Ideally Mahomes would have just thrown this one as soon as he hits his drop. As soon as that back foot hits, fire this one low and away where only Juju can reach it. It should be right out in front of him as he turns his head. |
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I didn't see the sticks, which is why I asked. It does look like a flood, but like I said there's something odd about it. And the spacing sucks. Everyone's so tightly bunched I just don't get how anyone but JuJu could be a target. |
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Given his history, Mahomes’ second look was probably Kelce coming over the middle. He actually was pretty open, it just took him forever to fight through the jam. |
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Yeah, it did. What I thought was kind of weird was DHop purposefully taking on the DB and bullying him down the field 7 yds. I guess that must've been the design, to create space underneath for JuJu, instead of just juking the guy and running by him? Idk, it was an odd-looking play to me. But I'm not the biggest fan of running manufactured touch plays; I'd rather run an iso or something and target the best players. |
It’s a class slant flat pick play
Throw the ball DJ is right, Pat gave up on it before it played out |
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Throw the damn ball. I know we won a SB last year by being smart with the ball and having a great defense, but it's such a hard recipe to replicate. Throw the damn ball. Score points. |
I'm not sure why we aren't running a few slants with Worthy. The kid seems to be good at making catches in traffic or when he's getting hit. I think he could run the same stuff that Rice was running when he was playing. I think Worthy is gonna have 2 or 3 big games to finish out the season.
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I'd be more interested in getting Worthy on some of the deep crossers
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The defender has to go over the top of the 2 WR's, throw it to the sideline. It's a classic 3rd and 4/5 play |
It's one you have to anticipate and be on time with.
That's just not been something Pat has been able to do this year. Not sure what the issue is. |
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That's what's driving me nuts. All this stuff about not having chemistry or timing being off or whatever. Do they not practice these things? And frankly, what's to even practice on that play? We literally use that play with our 1st and 2nd graders. I mean there's just nothing to that. And he just didn't run the play. The stunts that get pressure up the middle - do we not practice those? Zone drop-offs and pickups in the secondary - we working on tying our shoes on Wednesdays? This team just isn't showing any improvement in any of these areas. Every week we say "We saw some things to work on..." And then they just don't improve at all. What do they do all week? I know installs take time but shit fellas, maybe go back to square 1 here if we can't get interior pressure and zone coverages figured out. If our QB won't throw a ****ing out route because "He doesn't trust the play" then what are we even doing here? It's just annoying. |
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That moving pocket play might be a big help. Mahomes likes to drift out of the pocket anyway, so plan around that shit. |
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They need to keep trying. It may or may not lead to actually results but you can't give up. We saw the team struggle with dropped balls all season last year and when the playoffs came they seemed to finally get it right especially MVS. Hopefully the Mahomes-Worthy deep ball will finally start to connect once the playoffs start (or before). |
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It's sometimes mind boggling how it can go from indecisive rookie QB to 3 time SB Champion Patrick Mahomes on a drive by drive basis. |
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Burrow gets his ass kicked in behind that line. He still plays well. Matt Stafford is flinging it everywhere behind UDFA's it seems like. |
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They simply aren't that good of an offense this year. they aren't bad but nothing special. i think the D has been a little more consistent. It's just good overall team - they have good balance. |
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I don't wanna make a thread for it but....
With guys out there running around not getting open and or whatever it is.....Remigio needs to be on offense some. He looked better with the ball in his hands on the punt returns than most of our WR's have looked. |
Yeah, I don’t like that clip. It’s possible Mahomes thought one of the DB’s had a clear lane - but I never stood for excuses like that with Alex, and that was the most Alexian “ah shucks we’ll try it again next drive” that I’ve seen from Patrick.
He rarely has played that timidly in the playoffs, he did turtle like that against the Ravens and 49ers (58) at times, but the only time that cost us a game was against the Bengals, which is a major outlier in his stellar body of postseason work. |
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They both have much better WRs corps than we do. That said, I don't think that's the whole story, because both of those offenses seem to opt for "players over plays," while our offensive philosophy seems to be more about spreading the targets around via manufactured touches, so we simply don't pepper our best receivers with targets the way those offenses do. |
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For some reason his touch on below los passes and past 30 yards seems off. Probably the line and not being able to step up. And when 5he accuracy is there, it is dropped. We will eventually find it this post season. With what teams are giving us and with the stunts. I am not sure why we don't mix in 3 step drops. Few more runs then a play action. Patrick still works it at the end of games. Not sure what changes outside of him saying I got this. |
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I've seen him do this same thing over and over. It's where he's in a clean pocket and the middle opens up, but insteLad of standing there and throwing it he decides to run and gets sacked or tackled for a 1 yard gain. It happens at least once a week. Idk what can even be done, but I'm betting it gets figured out just in time for the playoffs. And just went and looked. 2/3 times he was sacked it's because he did exactly what I described above. He had time and there becomes an opening and he tries running and get sack instead. There is nothing the line can do about it. |
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He was super cautious for a long stretch of the Niners game, but turned it on again in the 4th quarter through his legendary walk-off drive. |
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I’m going to say the thing Kelce has all but admitted on the podcast and say officials swallow their whistle much, much more in the playoffs and that hugely benefitted our offense with Donavan covering Mahomes blindside.
*Kelce said the Chiefs didn’t fully appreciate this until the Patriots prison rushed their offense with extracurriculars in the AFCCG and the Chiefs have adopted that style since (it seemed to really rattle the Ravens last year). |
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I think our sack numbers go down because Pat will play better in the playoffs, regardless of what's going on with the line. |
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Last year I started noticing Rashee figuring out the zones in space and showing signs of developing chemistry with Mahomes vs the Patriots in early December.
We are seeing that from Worthy and this is a great example. Worthy stops his route, finds the open space quickly bc he saw the blitz pre-snap. Worthy from September probably keeps running straight and nerfing the play. <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The jump-pass by Patrick Mahomes was incredible, but watch Xavier Worthy get himself into position. <a href="https://t.co/6XcIlQ4kqz">pic.twitter.com/6XcIlQ4kqz</a></p>— Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1867299075877437614?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 12, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
I've always thought the "finds space" stuff was a little strange.
I mean - are these guys just much dumber than I realize? I don't think that's right. Because how many of us played football growing up. I suspect ALL of us played at least the backyard version and most of us played it in some organized way. And to a person, each one of us knew how to find space out there. Our plays were nowhere near as regimented and so we were far more likely to freelance and suddenly 'finding a soft spot' was as easy as breathing. I really don't think it's the PLAYERS that struggle with the concept - it's the coaches. The coaches don't give them the rope to go off script. But you look at someone like DeMarcus Robinson - he was really good at that but also appeared to not have much of a clue how the offense actually worked. He just...found space. Finding space is the easy part. The coaches trusting you to know WHEN to find that space is harder. I just think many coaches are too strict in when they let that happen. When the QB comes off his spot, all bets are off -- go find an opening. If the QB has moved, all the designed passing lanes are out the window as it is. Just go get open. |
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https://youtu.be/SgQSjwKG2eM?si=mVM8uH9eeIxGfWmV I'm on mobile so I can't embed, but he seems to focus way more on reading the defense and figuring out where the weakness is and how to use it to get open. Now, like you say, if the QB is running and its a broken play, then yeah, find some space and get open. I doubt rookies have that level of understanding of pro defensive schemes and how to beat them pre-snap, thus the half season or so of time needed for it to sink in for them. |
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I don't even think JJSS is doing things the way Kelce does things and he appears to have Mahomes full trust. That play with Worthy? Naw - that's just breaking off a route when the QB scrambled. Heck, it's not even THAT advanced. All Worthy did there was get to the top of a pretty simple stop route, see the play had broken down and then come back towards the QB and move into a throwing lane. That's HS football stuff; WR 101. I guess I just don't understand why I should be wowed by it. Had he spotted something early in the route and just sat instead of pushing the seam - maybe. But if Mahomes doesn't do a couple little stutter steps to buy enough time for Worthy to FINALLY turn around, Worthy's back is still to that play as it falls apart. That play was pretty much entirely on Mahomes - Worthy was mostly just doing what I'd expect a Varsity kid to do in High School. |
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I've seen plenty of NFL WR's who can't do this part properly. (cough Skyy Moore cough) Not sure if its lack of ability or just giving up on the play. Idk, I'm more willing to give Worthy his flowers for making a heads up play as a rookie when plenty of other vets have trouble with stuff like that. |
Small thing probably no one cares about but me, Worthy's favorite mentor is JJSS and I love that. Proven vet that can help you win games AND teach the young ones how to succeed in this league.
I'm a big believer in mentorship and the winning culture, and having a player like JJSS be there for a guy like Worthy is how you continue to build that winning culture. |
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He's not trusting anything. Dude's gotta reset himself, quit looking for the pressure so much, and let it rip. |
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Calling his TD today a run. When I watched it again it looks like a forward pass to me.
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This guy was a great pick.
You can see all the flashes and productive already. Major breakout candidate for next year. |
not a bad rookie season at all and there's more to go!
I'm pretty sure that he's tied for 1st for rookie wide receiver total TD's too |
Glad Pat has finally knocked off the nonsense of phasing Worthy out when he makes a rookie mistake.
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Played 81% of the snaps and had 11 targets.
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22 targets in his last 2 games. Sprained ankle didn't seem to slow him down.
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He's developing well. Thrown into the fire this season. I like him going forward.
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They are Rice-ifying him.
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He's good. I like him.
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Did Longhorn Xavier lose a bet that forced him to wear Mahomes' Tech jersey? LOL
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Texas fans, close your eyes ��<a href="https://twitter.com/XavierWorthy?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@XavierWorthy</a> + <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ProBowlVote?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ProBowlVote</a> <a href="https://t.co/JHtJu8lRRd">pic.twitter.com/JHtJu8lRRd</a></p>— Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/1870497296703742457?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 21, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Home run pick.
Man if we could bring back Hopkins and Hollywood to go with Worthy and Rice… |
Where are all the folks that were suggesting he was a "bust"? It might not have been this thread, but there were quite a few ready to write him off early in the season. "He's another gadget guy" or "he's not a complete receiver" or "he's too small/frail to be an effective NFL wideout."
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If he learned to break shoestring tackles he'd be next level. I don't think I've seen a receiver go down so easily by ankle tackles like he does. It's like he's too fast to keep his balance. .
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> WR DeAndre Hopkins says that he's Xavier Worthy's hardest critic.<br><br>He told <a href="https://twitter.com/SSJWHB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SSJWHB</a>, "The older guys did it when I was young, Andre Johnson and Larry, so it's only right I do the same." �� <a href="https://t.co/7fpSNV0JgZ">pic.twitter.com/7fpSNV0JgZ</a></p>— Sports Radio 810 WHB (@SportsRadio810) <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsRadio810/status/1870602227729187203?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 21, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Cannot love this enough. |
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