Does George owe you money or something, you really seem to hate, hate, hate this guy.

You openly root for him to suck, to back up this hateful narrative. He is still a Chief and a good kid that tries hard. Why don't you give him a break and stop putting out so much negative energy toward George? :thumb:

Nobody's making excuses for him, dingus. Everybody is acknowledging he didn't have a good game.

Karlaftis showed up that's excellent, it wasn't a " try hard" or coverage sack/pressure

Legit impressive bump! Believe!

Go **** your dad

1 sack and 1 TFL IN 27 snaps

whither Tribal?

I love Karlaftis. However, I've seen many times where he is really slow coming off the snap. I hope he gets better at this.

I don't think I've ever seen him off the snap being slow. Maybe by the defensive line play call, but no.

:spock:

I hate to reign on the parade but I just dont see Karlaftis being anything more than a useful player. Chris Jones mere presence helps alot of these guys out. Hes a good player just wont ever be great. We'll need trade up for a DE in the draft IMO. Being that we are set at QB, that should not be a big deal.

One thing I want him to learn from Clark (besides coverage and edge setting) is timing the snap count.

There are times that Clark just has it down perfect. He’s moving perfectly with the ball before any OL is even starting to leave their stance. At times, it looks like he’s early but then you see the slo mo replay. It’s really impressive.

He already did

You either have quick twitch muscles or you don't. But to SM&D51's point you can get better a timing the snap to make up for this to a certain degree but then you run the risk of offsides/encroachment especially in crucial moments.

If he can get to a Hubbard/Hendrikson level that is good enough. I don't see him as a J.J. Watt ever.

Give it another year. Lots of D-linemen start slow. If he doesn't flash by the end of next year then he's basically Allen Bailey. But I still think there's a chance he can be Tamba Hali.

That's where I'm at, and I think he will be better than Hubbard. I still like the pick a ton. I think he's going to be a very solid SDE that we needed badly.

Now we need a true stud speedier guy to replace Clark on the other side and to get better at NT and we'll be rippin'.

Doesn't flash? Wtf are you talking about. He had 6.5 sacks over the last 9 games. How's that not flashing. Allen Bailey was 29 before he had a season like Karlaftis had his rookie season.

He's a rookie you stupid shit. You're so incredibly stupid

:facepalm:

Why don’t you try to be a Positive Pete

I remember Chris Long's rookie year, it was rough. George had a way better rookie year than him and Chris turned out to be a really good player.

They were literally working together on this for at least 2 days in camp. We were talking with George’s girlfriend for about 15 minutes and she mentioned how Frank had been super helpful since he was drafted and they were close. Frank and George spent every extra minute working on timing the snap and small things to help his “get off”.

It all depends on the play all and his individual responsibilities on the play.

I think people have gone overboard with Karlaftis, to be honest. He's been decent for a rookie, but he's not been THAT good against the run, and his pressure rate isn't amazing. He's been worse than Clark (as he should be, given he's a rookie) and we all know how most people feel about him.

He's a rookie, so I get it. I'm excited about what he COULD become, but this year I think people have over-valued his performances. He does seem to have gotten a little more consistent pressure, especially against weaker OLs, and turning more of those into sacks is massive. He's also been an absolute workhorse, and you've got to think that experience helps down the line, providing he's not flogged.

But I don't get praise beyond that. He's not set a great edge, his PFF run defence score is something like 40 which seems a tad low but honestly closer to reality I think.

He's been solid for a rookie. But he's not McDuffie level impact this year, I'm not sure he's Jaylen Watson level impact. Hoping he has a massive game against Philly now and shuts me up.

He just helped us punch a ticket to go to the Super Bowl but that's not good enough to be excited about him and think he's ****ing good for a rookie?

The Greek has the third most sacks in his rookie class. I think that's pretty good.

Who said it's not good enough? I said he's been solid for a rookie, not that he's trash.

What exactly have people been saying about him that you disagree with?

That he's a rookie whose play had improved, and his sack streak at the end of the year is/was an encouraging sign for the kind of player he could become?

Yeah. Everybody really thinks he's Reggie White over here. Pump the brakes amirite???

I must be since my opinion is different than yours. What am I thinking?! I'll go reflect on how I can be a better man and complete exercises to improve my intelligence to rival your own.

Karlaftis is probably around a 10 sack per season guy.

That's a totally reasonable projection given that he got 6.5 as a rookie (all on the back half of the season), and has one in each of his play-off games.

Is he a game wrecking DPOY type? No, probably not, but you don't often get guys like that at #30.

Is he a foundational piece for the next 4-5 years? Absolutely.

Pretty much how I see it. He's not ever going to be the star of the DL, but he's going to be a great anchor guy on the DL for years to come. He's going to be that solid jack-of-all-trades high football IQ player that every great DL needs to have. He'll be good to great against the run, above average pass-rusher, solid in coverage, always situationally aware . . . Kind of a modern day Howie Long.

our d-line was noticeably better this season than any in the last 5 years and he started all season and the improvement of Danna was a part of that too. Just sayin

Hell of a get for the end of the first round

I dunno that he's a legit double digit sack per year guy. That's a pretty legit number, usually only the upper echelon guys are true double digit sack per year guys.

I'd say he settles in around 6-10 every year depending who's around him.

That's really all we need from him.

I don't think he'll hit 10 like clockwork or anything (though the extra game should help a little).

But I think we should be able to enter a season going forward with a projection of 8-10 sacks and know that we're gonna be within a sack or so either way. I'd be surprised if a healthy season yields fewer than 7 for him anytime soon just as I'd be pretty surprised if he ever popped off more than 12.

I could see some stars aligning and him getting 12 one year but ultimately 'solid complementary rusher and SDE' is a wholly reasonable projection for him.

Oh, it's totally ideal. I'm not downplaying him at all. It's a great use of a pick.

Just saying I always reserve the "double digit sack guys" label for your high end guys.

You know, Bosa, Garrett....Brian Burns, etc.

...this freakin' guy...

No shit.

Burns must be his cousin or something.

:D

12.5 sack Brian Burns. Yes. HIm.

Burns had 7.5 sacks his rookie year, 1 more than Karlaftis had this year. And 9 the two years after.

He's broken 10 sacks once. Frank Clark did it TWICE in Seattle before he ever came here.

If you really want to talk about ELITE defensive ends, you should probably stop talking about Brian Burns.

Yeah, in his 24 year old season, he put up 12.5 sacks. He's a year younger than Nick Bosa.

I mean, if that's not an elite trajectory.....I don't know what we're looking for.

It's an elite trajectory and that's all it is. Burns still has a lot to prove.

He also has a pretty damn outstanding set of tools. He's long, quick, fluid; really does have most anything you could ask for from a potentially dynamic DE. He doesn't have the functional strength that a monster like Garrett has, but he has a LOT going from him physically. Look at what Cullen did with Danna and ask yourself what he could do for someone with the skills of Brian Burns.

I just ain't giving up a 1st rounder for the right to give another defensive player $25+ million/season.

Been there, done that, have the scars to prove it.

I mean your cap structure with Burns would have to be SO lean. It'd be almost pure stars/scrubs. The pressure that puts on every single draft would be immense.

You're talking about probably half your salary cap going into Mahomes, Jones, Burns and Kelce. HALF. In 4 guys.

That risk is just enormous. If you do that and he doesn't become a Micah Parson's sort of player, you're really up shit's creek because you're going to be cutting corners all over your roster to make it happen.

You're just betting way too much on the come with the kid.

Side note: Man, I'm sorry, but the Dolphins should fire the **** out of Mike McDaniel. That team has SO much talent that it was just inexcusable for them to flame out.

I was trying to come up with reasonable comparisons for a 'mid-tier' outcome with Burns and came up with Jaelan Phillips. But he's actually been a bit better than I realized. 15.5 sacks in his first two years and REALLY good pressure rates. He's a very good player. And then they add Burns to the other side not to mention Seiler being a letter perfect 3-tech for them and Wilkins isn't far behind as the other 3. They have some really nice players in their secondary and obviously the insane talent at WR.

That SHOULD be a 12-13 win team. It absolutely had that kind of talent. Going 9-8 to sneak into the playoffs is just real bad. I think there's an excellent chance that Mike McDaniel is a shitty HC.

Qb issue sunk it.

The secondary really aged and fell apart too. They're gonna have to cut some guys there to get the cap in order.

But really, once Tua got blasted it was all over.

???

Chubb.

vs. BUF in the Divisional game, in their last two drives with an opportunity to win, McDaniels was forced to call TO three times to avoid delay of game penalties.

He was hired as an offensive genius.

I'd have fired him before the end of the following day.

Ah. That's right.

Exactly.

This is precisely why I said "elite trajectory but that's all it is".

Burns' first four years:
7.5 / 9 / 9 / 12.5

Clark's first four years:
4 / 10 / 9 / 14

Is Frank Clark elite? Because he was certainly on an elite trajectory, by O's own definition, before he was traded.

I can count on one hand, the number of premier pass rushers that have been traded and actually met or exceeded their pre-trade numbers. It's fool's gold more often than not.

12.5 sacks is fantastic but it's not worth 2 firsts.

QB injury had nothing to do with that?

I think it’s more their coach is a ****ing dooooouuuuche

Getting honored by the Prime Minister of Greece...

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George is amazing!

Dude kept his helmet on for the photo!

Okay, that's actually pretty cool.

Hali was a BOSS hand-fighter. He got so much more out of his athleticism than I ever imagined he would because that guy had moves on moves and always had a hell of a plan out there.

Now if he could avoid teaching Karlaftis to get held in a manner that seemingly NEVER draws a flag, that would be great. Because I'm pretty sure it was legal to actually shoot Tamba Hali on a football field.

Karlaftis has a Mahomes like work ethic.

Tamba trained with Rener Gracie for a number of years and I believe eventually got his black belt. That helped him with the hand fighting and counters. Hopefully George will learn something valuable from Tamba.

Yeah, I always thought he was much better than his athleticism said he should be. He really turned into a very good player for KC.

Good to see that Tamba got, whatever the **** was going on with him, under control.

There was awhile there were i thought dude legit went off the deep end.

Yeah, I was kind of worried too.

Am I the only one that doesn't understand why kids these days don't wear socks anymore? Yes I noticed George isn't wearing socks!

They're usually low cut socks which makes it look they're barefoot in their shoes

Have you never known about no-show socks?

Yes but is that really the fashion for workouts?

Let me guess, Pistol Pete Maravich was your all time favorite athlete?

Low cut, more comfortable. The only time I wear anything taller than that is if I am on boots or dress shoes. Most of the 'younguns' I see wear socks up to their damn knees these days. I'm only 38 but get off my damn lawn with those stupid socks.

.

having your socks showing hasn't been in fashion since the 80's and the socks get lower every 5 years or so. Now having it below your ankle is the fashion trend and we know how important it is to look cool and keep up with the trends.

I listened to an interview, like last year I think, and I thought he had a stroke prior to the interview, or I thought he was suffering from head trauma.

I only wear no-show socks these days unless I'm in dress shoes.

I accidentally bought some at Costco and they'll be fine during the summer but it's been too cold to have my ankles exposed

basketball players wear crew length socks almost exclusively.

I think those are those Vibram shoes with individual toes.

So most socks are a no go. I bet those shoes smell awesome

Who cares about his socks. HES GOING TO THE PROBOWL NOW!

Hali was a terrific hand fighter b/c he took up Brazilian Ju Jitsu. The year he led the NFL in sacks, I saw him start to use martial arts hand fighting techniques in his pass rush.

Picking up Ryan Kerrigan meets Royce Gracie with Peter North's get off vibes from this kid

I see a smooth mixture of JJ Watt and Derick Thomas.

Props to Veach for finding players like George who have tremendous drive to be the best

you can't teach that shit

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">6 AM hanging out with Super Bowl winner for the Kansas City Chiefs, defensive end George Karlafitis, and black belt. Master Dave Smarr. Sharpening techniques. <a href="https://t.co/W0Nj7wmcjN">pic.twitter.com/W0Nj7wmcjN</a></p>&mdash; Tamba Hali (@TambaHali91) <a href="https://twitter.com/TambaHali91/status/1643963945357639680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 6, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LETS GO GEORGE!