His back issues are a bit concerning.

Those gas prices tho

Mike Danna's lack of pass rush ability is also a bit concerning.

Health or wanting more money doesn't bode well for the Chiefs, I don't see it.

I’d rather have Hunter, but Smith would do.

Gas and weather fall under the same category for me.

It's gonna be what it's gonna be.

Besides....I didn't vote for the guy.

If healthy I would too

Hopefully we can get it done

There are just a LOT of the same red flags here that there were around Clark.

Sometimes you just kinda wanna pass on the injured malcontent who's looking for a massive new deal.

The WR2 need has been there for a year now since Sammy Watkins left.

The Chiefs history of getting an immediate impact from rookie WR’s in Andy Reid’s offense is not good.

The two most successful rookie WR’s during the Andy Reid era were Tyreek and Hardman but neither were starting WR’s. They were more of gadget-type players who ran limited route trees.

Otherwise production from rookie WR’s in Andy Reid’s offense includes:
1) Chris Conley - 17 catches, 199 yards receiving, 5 games started.
2) Demarcus Robinson - 0 catches, 0 yards receiving, 0 games started.
3) Jehu Chesson - 2 catches, 18 yards, 1 game started.
4) Cornell Powell - Practice Squad.

Based on that track record, the likelihood of the Chiefs drafting a rookie who can make an immediate impact as a starting WR2 is not good.

So what’s the realistic plan to end this year plus long need to find a WR2?

Wait until the season starts and try to go with another Josh Gordon reclamation project or hope that an OBJ-caliber WR magically becomes available?

My son swears Rap had a tweet about the Chiefs being in on Smith too, but it was deleted?

So you have to figure that Smith obviously wants more than he got from the Ravens.

4 years and $35 million.

I’d give him 3 years, $36 million. $12M AAV over the $8.75M AAV he just turned down.

Maybe he doesn't want to play for the Ravens? Is that a possible thing?

Kind of a weird explanation for a guy who agreed verbally to play for them.

Schefter brought this up as he started his career there, no idea.

I'm confused. Did he not sign with the Ravens already?

what is the expected or accepted stat line for a Chiefs "Wr2"

Verbally agreed and then backed out.

So Smith agreed to terms with the Ravens but now he's back in play?

Roger that.

When did that news hit?

Agreed verbally.

Basically he signed....then saw what guys like Von Miller are getting....and decided that he wanted more.

earlier today

Ah, okay. Agreed to terms and then decided he didn't like them.

That's kind of a red flag.

I just want someone who is a threat running routes and can take attention away from Kelce and Hill. I'd take 800-1000 yards which is what Hardman almost had but with catches and yards coming all over the field and not just on screens and jet sweep pitch plays.

I mean that's the assumption. Nothing has been stated as such. Just that he agreed and backed out.

Maybe there was something in his contract that he didn't like or that wasn't communicated to him prior. That seems to be happening a lot lately.

I’m in the air on the way to vegas what am I missing we sign this guy yet?

Say hello to Mcdaniels and the boys while you're there.

Which guy?

We've signed zero guys.

At this point I'm content with a re-set year.

There are just so damn many unknowns. If any of the moves the Chargers, Broncos and Bills have made come to full fruition, Za'darius Smith won't do shit to change how we stack up there.

They're pushing a whole lot of chips in for a year or two and soon enough they'll find themselves where we presently are. Okay.

But to just try to keep it running in the red when we have no idea if we even HAVE to strikes me as unnecessary. These moves may just fizzle out. They're all older guys on the backsides of their respective careers (with a few smaller exceptions).

If you give them their most likely 50% outcomes for all the signings, NONE of these teams are actually appreciably better than we are. With or without Smith.

And man, we can't just keep kicking the can. It's gonna hit us REALLY hard and then the question won't be 'can we sign Za'Darius Smith' but rather 'can we keep La'Jarius Sneed...'?

And **** that. I'm not at all interested in losing Sneed in 2 years because we had to have Smith next season.

At some point you have to decompress and I think we've reached that point. The more you try to move numbers around and see how it impacts next years cap (and then see that as tough as things are now, they'll be orders of magnitude tougher next season if we do these things), the more you realize that we've probably reached a puke point on how aggressive we can be.

Just go after the young vets who appear to be ascending. Or hell, at least appear to be healthy.

And then tell Patrick he's gonna get to throw the ball 650 times.

YES PLEASE!!!

So you want to give someone $16 million/yr to get roughly the same production but in a different style than the guy we have on a rookie deal.

That certainly makes a lot of sense.

Yeah....I get it. I'm just surprised that Smith signed for that little of a contract.

Plus I'm working off of the assumption that Clark and Jones are gone after this year in my head as well.

Then there's Josh Kaindoh which is a complete unknown

Oh they very easily could be.

And if we do nothing more than we've done thus far and cut them both outright next off-season with neither of them hitting any of their incentives, they'll STILL cost $14 million on our cap next season.

The caps getting WORSE for us next year, not better. Especially if we take Hill and Brown and negotiate their Year 1 figures down to kick it out into next season.

We gotta re-load a bit.

Really, at this point, they may be well served to consider transitioning Wharton out to DE.

I mean he's always moved more like a stand-up OLB. And at 6'4'', 260 he has the build for it. He also has really good first-step quickness for a large man.

I'd have him working from the 5-technique next year and I think he could do it fairly well. He reminds me a bit of RNR on the inside in that he's just not steady enough in there in the run game to be more than a 3rd down rusher. Whereas if you put him on the edge, he might play up a bit in run defense without losing a lot against the pass.

So put him at SDE?

The cap is exploding every year. I don’t know that I’d slow down on anything.

It was supposed to go up more this year and then it didn't. Veach already stated it wasn't at what they thought it would be....which is causing issues right now.

Nah.

Weakside but not with an Under alignment that would swing him out to a 7 technique kind of player.

I think a 4-3 under leaves him homeless, at least on the edge. Not stout enough for SDE, not agile enough for LEO.

So a 4-3 over w/ the SDE at the 7 to maintain leverage on the TE and the Weakside DE at a straight up 5.

{Looks at our cap situation}

Uh huh....

Guess what happens if you plan for the cap to be less and it goes up more? You have more money to play around with. When it's the opposite...you end up ****ed.

And when you’re scared you lose

I’m not scared

And if it goes a lot and you've planned for it to go up a lot, well EVERYONE gets a nice little boost so it's just more money in the system and you just have to pay anyone you sign more.

Meanwhile if you plan for it to go up less and operate accordingly, if it does go up more than expected, you've created a competitive advantage, even if slight.

If you're out there advocating for dumping 1st round picks for aging veterans and tossing 8 figure AAVs at every brokedick DE or WR on the market, it's NOT because you're confident.

Your fear is that the Chiefs aren't good enough. I don't share that fear.

My fear is....math.

I have a little more confidence in my fear being proven correct than I do yours.

Math is a smart man’s game

Stomach feelings are the universe Telling me…..well I dunno I hit the airport bar pretty hard….what were we talking about?

Absolutely on this whole post!

Twitter rumblings about Watson to the Falcons. Nothing official yet though.

Well yeah. It's not like Hardman is going anywhere. The problem was that he was a waste lining up out wide and nobody respected him. People will respect the shit out of Robinson and that will allow us to just use Hardman as a pure gadget guy and he would excel in that role.

I don't see how a offense of Hill, Kelce, Robinson, Hardman isn't the best receiving offense in the league.

I mean we really can broom the damn cap next year. But we'd have 'bout nothing left on this roster.

Cut Clark and Jones - that saves you $40 million or so off the cap. Go ahead and restructure Mahomes AGAIN and it probably turns his cap number from 46 million to...I dunno, it would probably be around $12 from what I can tell but that's without restructuring it again this year. Do that and you're looking at, I dunno - $19 million? So let's just keep the numbers relatively round and say you can save another $25 there.

So we're talking real mony. We've taken $65 million off next year's cap. And at that point of players that actually matter we have:

Mahomes, Thuney, Kelce, Reid, Butker, CEH, Gay, Bolton, Humphrey, Winchester, Niang, Sneed, Danna, Kaindoh, Gray, Smith and this year's draft picks who will probably add about $7 million to the cap in their own right. That's it y'all.

16 players plus realistically 5 more from this year's draft that likely make the team next year. So you're at 21 players and you've used at that point around $105 million in cap space.

And right now we're still about 20 players away from actually fielding an NFL roster. Even if you figure on HALF of those being low cost rookies from our present pool or draft picks, we need to add 10 guys. And those 10 guys are going to have to carry low year 1 numbers so many of them will need dead money loaded into next season or higher base salaries for next season than this year.

So let's say you get 10 cheap fill placeholder style back of the roster guys. And you get 5 more on 1 year deals. That leaves 5 more that you're gonna backload with either higher salaries or dead money.

So let's just say you're looking at 5 guys with $5 million base salaries in year 2 and thus $25 million in salary. Mind you, these guys will SUCK at those figures, but I'm trying to be generous here.

And let's say the cap goes up to $220 million (fair figure). So now you've spent $130 million on 26 players. So you have half a roster at that point. You haven't brought Tyreek Hill or OBJ back either, mind you. Let's again be generous and hope we can get those guys on cap hits of say $18 millione/each next season.

So you've spent $165 million on 28 players. You still need 15 guys and you have about $55 million in cap space to do it with.

Oh, and your team might just suck as constructed there.

And that's WITHOUT pulling pulling any more levers than just restructuring Mahomes.

We've done this too often for too long. Either this year or next we HAVE to tap the brakes. And with the massive upheaval in the conference, let alone the division, I think now's as good a time as any to take a step back and evaluate to see if anything these guys are doing even MATTERS when you have Patrick Mahomes, Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelce and a monster of an OL.

The biggest problem with Clark was his contract length. Give Za’Darius Smith the 3 year contracts you gave Sammy, Matheiu and Reid then you are protected.

Damien Williams to falcons

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fletcher Cox liked this tweet from Chris Jones encouraging him to sign with the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a>. <a href="https://t.co/w1ZwW54KFd">pic.twitter.com/w1ZwW54KFd</a></p>&mdash; Eagles Nation (@PHLEaglesNation) <a href="https://twitter.com/PHLEaglesNation/status/1504580659167252488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 17, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Panthers announced Damien Wilson signing. Chiefs had interest in bringing Wilson back after he had a career year in Jacksonville.</p>&mdash; Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1504578473322500097?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 17, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Damnit I wanted Damien Wilson back

Signing Cox would allow you to go young at DE.

Jones and Cox would just wreck shit.

Kyzir White, man. Say it with me.

Someone go wake up Veach.

Dude is fast asleep.

Grabbing Cox would allow Jones to kick outside to DE

Lael collins on verge of signing with the bengals

Worst kept secret.

lolol

The contract length was necessary to spread the guaranteed money out to the point that he'd sign it and still leave you with sufficient cap space to go after the other guys Veach wanted.

Who were, unfortunately, Hitchens and Watkins.

Length doesn't do anything but let you spread the pain. The length of Clark's contract was immaterial especially once he restructured it.

The biggest problem with Clark was the guarantees.

And you're not getting Smith on the kind of cheap deal you got for Reid - that's why he walked away from Baltimore. And even on a 3 year deal, Mathieu and Watkins numbers were tough by the end of year 2.

Term on NFL contracts is nothing more than an accounting measure - it doesn't matter and in fact in most ways it helps teams (larger pro-rated period and more opportunity for restructures).

A 3 year deal doesn't get around any of those problems if Smith is insisting on significant guarantees. It certainly doesn't make things EASIER than a 5 year deal with the same guarantees would.

EDIT: I see you were talking about Hunter - it's an even BIGGER problem for Hunter because he's absolutely going to insist on those guarantees due to the leverage he has with his roster bonus imploding your cap and the fact that he is clearly indicating he wishes to be paid a great deal sooner rather than later.

If merely signing for $25 million in guarantees was sufficient, he'd be happy to take that $18 million roster bonus and turn it into a signing bonus to pro-rate it out. He clearly ain't content doing that. He's looking for $40+ million in guarantees and you aren't doing that over a 3 year deal without butt-****ing your cap.

sarcasm?

LOL

KYZIR!!!

edit: Y'know what's sad? Then when I hit submit and CP told me 'this is a duplicate of a post you have submitted' I couldn't even say for certain that I double clicked or the thread had aids.

At any given time it's fair to assume that I have in fact shouted KYZIR! into the void in the last 5 minutes.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">CB Eli Apple is returning to Cincinnati on a one-year, $4 million deal, per source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1504578764663103493?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 17, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Did he get burned by Cooper Kupp while going to sign it?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trust Brett. He is truly one of the best. Lots of talent still out there and in draft, even late.</p>&mdash; Bobby Stroupe (@bobbystroupe) <a href="https://twitter.com/bobbystroupe/status/1504583772926144513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 17, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

You know what's going to be hilarious? If we do happen to sign him.....the sheer amount of upheaval there will be. People will be screaming from the rooftops about how we already have Gay and Bolton.

And you and I will just be jerking off in the corner.

I like him but is he too light to be a backer? He’s listed at 218 lbs

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tom Brady May Lure Buccaneers into Recruiting Tyrann Mathieu<a href="https://t.co/puiGmua7aL">https://t.co/puiGmua7aL</a></p>&mdash; EgotasticSports (@EgotasticSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/EgotasticSports/status/1504500538418909186?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 17, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Just about nobody is too light to play Will.

And he racked up 144 tackles for LAC this year so I'd say he's figured something out.

900 followers and you're posting this bullshit?

And Duncan. Don't forget Duncan.

I mean we're two dudes away from a bonafide circle jerk at that point. So really we're just 1 away because you KNOW Billay will be there.

Then he'll find out about the Kyzir White signing.

It's going to be ****ing glorious.

Come on Brett....give us some Kyzir.

I hate twitter.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source: Former <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Vikings?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Vikings</a> DT Michael Pierce is going to the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ravens?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Ravens</a> on a 3-year, $16.5M deal. Back where he started.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1504584721237524482?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 17, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He'd have to take a big paycut, like $7m/yr and this is likely his last chance at a decent, multi year deal.

So since Watson is going to ATL most likely, time to crank the Lockett trade talks back up.