He'll get Aldo next and that should be another great fight.

I just don't see how anyone can find his strategic striking style boring. I appreciate that aspect of MMA. He did the same thing Condit did to Diaz and it was brilliant. Now boring would be watching Evans or Fitch lay and pray for 3 rounds.

Anyone watching the presser? Looks like an old Don King boxing press conference. Drunk people tripping, Diaz brothers starting shit heh..,

By far the biggest fight in UFC history could be on it's way.

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As much as I love GSP I think Silva's length is going to be tough for him to overcome. I also don't think it's going to be a fight for the fans that like toe to toe bar room brawls, but for those that appreicate the strategic and technical aspect of MMA what a dream come true.

GSP has the style to beat Silva. Pressure, get him on the ground and keep him there. See Sonnen fights (would've liked to see what happened if Sonnen hadn't slipped and fallen trying that spinning back fist). GSP's lay and pray technique would be perfect here.

Where has GSP ever used the lay and pray technique? The last fight I remember him having the went to the ground he about broke Hardy's arm.

I don't enjoy point fighting when it happens, not that it does all the time with those two in particular.

You might confuse LnP with being boring. GSP didn't LnP with Kos, Shields, or Hardy. The fact that he didn't really try hard to finish in either the Kos or Shields fights are what loses fans for GSP, IMO.

It actually wasn't a slip. His knee hit Anderson's.

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What's your problem with the 209?

Favorite MMA KO?

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Wrong. So, so, so wrong.

Clearly, you've never heard of hyping a fight before. Something Anderson literally refused to do for the first fight. Its how you attract more viewers, dumbass.

I remember when there used to be some pretty decent takes in here. Now grappling is easy and you can't break a mans arm should the opportunity present itself.

it went full billay a while back.
no fun to talk to people who dont know shit.


and IMO GSP is in NO way big enough to **** with anderson, one thing tito was EVER right about.


if they wanted to acyually make a super fight that MADE SENSE it would be silva vs bones

Silva basically said he wants no part of that. Kudos to GSP to be be willing to move up a bit and take this fight.

I wonder why Silva wouldn't want that :rolleyes he walks around thirty pounds, or more, more than gsp on a normal day. But within 10 I would say normally of Jones.

He is four inches taller than gsp, two shorter than bones.

The fight is more even size wise and even style wise IMO.

That would be a great ****ing fight
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Everyone has always wanted to see that fight for years now, that's why. It would be the biggest MMA PPV event of all time hands down.

IMO jones vs silva would be as big if not bigger

Only because gsp has become such a boring fighter.

Yeah, I think Jones/Silva would be a more exciting fight stylistically, but I think Silva knows he is out gunned in that fight where he does have most of the physical advantages in a GSP fight.

Personally I think Jones hands Silva his ass and needs to fight some HW's down the line if he really wants to make a mark.

IMO i said why already. not because GSP is technical/boring

well jones is a little taller not too much heavier but is VERY lacking in the experience and pin point striking departments in comparison to silva.


much better fight IMO

With GSP the underdog I'd like to see the fight put in Canada to try to even things up a bit.

HIm and Jones did. Its a lose-lose for Jones, and a win-lose for Anderson. Jones said that he doesn't want to ruin Anderson's record.

I'd like to think so, as it would be the better fight, but no. Jones doesn't have nearly the PPV #s that GSP does. People absolutely despise Jones.

Looks like UFC 151 is cancelled. Henderson dropped out due to injury and Jones did not accept the a fight with Sonnen.

That ****in sucks. Dana White is already talking shit about Jones for turning the fight down and I get that. I doubt Sonnen would have made weight in a week anyway. He said himself he was pretty heavy.

Jones trained to strictly fight Henderson not Sonnen. There's certain strategies that's goes into game planning. If Jones took that not well trained and lost, it would be bad for him and not Sonnen or Dana White. I respect Jones and he's not going to jump in the octagon an chance his belt.

Dana White is a selfish ****.

He's been tweeting...."I have a roster full of guys that would fight whoever/whenever."

Yeah Dana......those guys are ****ing scrubs.

This

Who's more selfish? Dana for being pissed that Bones won't fight or Bones for not fighting? There are a ton of dudes who aren't getting paid now because the show is cancelled. Obviously Bones would have to switch opponents but it happens all the time. I completely get Jones' reasons for not fighting but I also get Dana's reason for being pissed.

Bones shouldn't be held responsible bc other fighters aren't getting paid. They chose the fighting biz and knew that these things can happen. Dana wants his money and he's not getting it. Jones trained specifically for Hendo not Sonnen.

That doesn't make Dana more selfish though, every body is just doing what's best for them. That's all most people ever do. One shouldn't be judged more harshly than the other for the same concept.

So Dana calling Jones selfish acceptable? It's selfish of Dana to throw one of his best fighters under the bus.

Bones can be replaced with "One of the roster guys Dana said would fight whenever wherever against whoever"

But to talk shit on a guy that doesn't wanna risk his belt fighting a guy on a week's notice is childish. Right now Jones is Dana's cash crop.

He needs to STFU

I didn't say either was acceptable. They're both doing the same thing, I a;ready said that. Dana doesn't care about any of his fighters, and hasn't since Chuck retired. He doesn't care about Jones and Jones doesn't care about the UFC. It's the same story for anybody who works for a big corporation.

Why would he STFU? Bones aint going anywhere and Dana knows that. He'll say whatever he wants and Bones will stay. Dana is a ****ing dick but he has all of these guys in a corner. Where the **** are they going? Belator?

I get'cha. I'll be unacceptable and say that Dana is a complete joke. He's rants on fighters is truly unprofessional. I'm glad Jones denied the fight I don't want to see him lose it bc of something like this. Not fully trained.

What I don't get is why he's busting out Bones in public but won't name the "other guys" who refused the fight. Seems like some of these dudes would have everything to gain by fighting the champ at the last minute.

Will he and should he are 2 different things. Dana should STFU....but he won't. He's in an ultimate power position

I don't disagree with the above, because it's the sad truth.....UFC has a monopoly on the sport. Same w/ NFL and football or MLB basketball and NBA w/ bball. Same deal.

But Jones is a cash cow. I laughed my ass off when he said he was going to cut Anderson Silva. He talks a lot of shit but he would NEVER cut a guy like that because he makes millions for the company. Same w/ Jones.....same w/ GSP or Lesnar.

On a side-note: If you were going to see Joe Rogan and company at Mandalay Bay the weekend of the fight it's cancelled. Full refunds available through ticket provider.

i have said for years that the UFC would be better off without dana anywhere around

Well Machida has turned down the title fight at 152 so now it's Bones vs. VITOR BELFORT at UFC 152 for the title.

This is insanity and beyond dumb.

Bones is going to absolutely demolish Vitor.

I feel bad for all those who trained and now will not get paid. Jones took $ out of ALOT of peoples pocket that they were counting on having. Pretty brash for a guy who just got popped for DUI a few months ago. Good luck selling his gear now NIKE.

YOu're right, it would look bad if Jones lost to a MW who wasn't even in a training camp on 8 days notice.

Is Chael a scrub? And lol at you for calling any of these guys scrubs/cans/etc.

Jones should have demanded another 500K and been good with it.

Weird that he backed out like that. He knew what he was getting after destroying Bader.

Why lol at me calling any one of those people scrubs? Are you sticking your chest out of your Affliction shirt as we speak because I'm bashing MMA fighters? That's what they are, the guys White is talking about are scrubs. They may be company men, but they are what they are, and most if not all are fighters who Dana is talking about have no business being in the picture for a title shot like your Frank Mirs, Wanderlei Silvas, Forrest Griffins, etc.

No Sonnen is not a scrub, but thanks for making another point .......He's no scrub but Sonnen also doesn't deserve a title shot at the LHW division after moving up from MW and losing embarrassingly in his last match. Sonnen is a very good fighter and when you're competing at a very high level against top notch competition, you need to be 100% prepared because there is very small room for error once those cage doors shut, anything can happen if you're not well prepare for a fight.

Why would Jones, the biggest name in the sport right now, risk sponsorships, money, and his title just to name a few, on a fight where there is no benefit in winning? And have to prepare for Sonnen just a week before the fight? Not to mention the week leading up to the fight there is little training at all, most of the days are for press conferences, media days, fan expos, meet n greets, and other appearances. There's little time for preparation.

It's a lose lose situation. What Dana should have done is....if he's stock loaded with all of this talent that will fight whoever whenever, then he should have stripped the whole match period and replace it with another one with 2 different fighters....it's been done before, maybe not with this kind of lack of notice but it could be done. They'd probably lose less money by doing that instead of just cancelling the entire event.

Dana IMO chose Sonnen because they're talking trash on Twitter the past couple weeks and it went viral, Chael just lost to Anderson in what was one of the most anticipated fights since Lesnar was in the UFC, even though the end result was somewhat disappointing. He just moved to a higher weight class and is already talking shit on the champion in that division and Dana White is trying to capitalize on that.

Dana is simply looking out for Dana. That's all this comes down to....and when he doesn't get an answer he wants he throws a hissy fit like a child and talks shit on his fighters over the interwebs. Jon Jones has made shit tons of money for White and has kept the machine rolling after PPV's dropped in sales due to the Lesnar retirement. Now UFC isn't hurting by any means other than they're TUF cable network show. But the UFC on FOX cards have been crap except the first one and ratings are dropping on that as well. Jones has been a cash cow for White, and he's lucky to have a dominant champ in that star-loaded division like there is with Silva and GSP and now JDS in the HW division. Jones will fight 4 weeks from now. Dana needs to stop bitching, he could had fixed this with no prob.

Sonnen is on a down hill slope in his career. He's desperate, can't you tell? Sonnen is just going for broke now.


He's not a scrub, but he's not the same guy he once was. Dana is pissed he's not getting paid. He's the biggest whiner I've seen in such a sport. Unprofessional and childish. He didn't get his way so he cries. He literally sounds like a spoiled baby. He can go **** himself. Maybe he'll put together a Liddell/Ortiz 7.

[QUOTE=CoMoChief;8846954 That's what they are, the guys White is talking about are scrubs.

No Sonnen is not a scrub [/QUOTE]

Wut?

Wow, they are scrapping the whole card? That sucks.

It's a lose lose situation

I was more responding to White's quote of "I have a roster full of fighters that are willing to fight at any opportunity" MOST of those guys are scrubs.

Sonnen is not one of them, but he also doesn't deserve a title shot, and there's little room for error when fighting a top fighter such as him. Having little to no time to prepare for a fight with so much on the line doesn't make sense for the champ, and rightfully so. Dana is being selfish in this case.

He could have replaced both fighters if he wanted, given all of the talent he has or so he says.

Anderson Silva offered to step up and fight at LHW to save the card but it was too little too late

1. Lulz at Affliction comment. Pos rep for you. Seriously. However, fighter bashing (calling them scrubs/cans) is bannable on the forums I frequent.

2. Listen, I understand that this situation sucks for everyone involved. Really, there is no right or wrong answer. I believe that if Jones lost to an out-of-camp Chael on 8 days notice then he doesn't deserve to be the champion. Yes this sport is insane and anything can/does happen. However, with Jones' own issues over "getting fans" and arrogance, it probably would have been better for him to show up and fight someone who wasn't going to have time to prepare at all! You state how Jones won't have time to prepare, but CHael won't either. Additionally, Shael wasn't in camp, in shape, and ready to go for a fight.
3. Yup, it is a lose-lose situation.
4. Both Mauricio e Lyoto turned down the offer to fight him in 8 days. Chael and Weidman were the only ones who offered to fight him. Jones didn't want to fight anybody on 8 days notice.
5. Dana is looking out for himself. He's also looking out for everyone ****ing else who worked that event. Fighters are now completely ****ed as they won't receive show, win, or bonus pay. They now have to try and schedule their bills/payments/etc. upon them getting bumped to another card. Fine if your Jon Jones, not so fine if not. They have managers, coaches, gym fees, nutritionists, flight bills, visas, so much to pay and now just got ****ed. When a whole event is canceled, plenty suffer.
6. Jones is too cocky. ;)
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Definitely agree Shael doesn't deserve title fight. However, Jones should destroy an out of camp MW. Maybe you don't understand the difference b/w being in camp shape, both physically/mentally and not is. It is significant, to say the least.

He fought Jon on a shorter training camp the first time and didn't like it. Said he wants to get a full one in for hi rematch. Additionally, he had just landed back in Brasil and was heading back home to Belem.

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I agree with alot of this but disagree with you in a few ways. First, Dana is looking out for the UFC, not Dana. I am not by any means a "Dana Fan" but he is really good at what he does and a very big reason the UFC is what it is today.

Lesnar isn't the reason pay-per views are down. Thats just stupid in general. It's not like Lesnar not being in the UFC causes all the other cards to not be watched/bought. He was a good draw but he didn't make the entire year of pay-per views go up by himself.

The UFC on Fox last card was great. The ratings were going up against the olympics so nobody expected them to blow it out of the water but it was one of the best cards i've seen.

Your "solution" for what Dana should of done is ignorant. You don't just take a title fight off the card that was the main reason everyone was watching and just put two "company men" fighters on there and tell the fans "Well here you go, sorry".

I can see why Jones didn't take the fight but I think he should have. He is where he is because of the UFC and the UFC has benefited from him too but all of the money the UFC lost on it and all the other fighters on the card lose out...I just wish he would of fought Sonnen. He had a scape goat anyway if he lost (which he shouldn't of) by his not being prepared for it and would of gotten an immediate rematch if somehow he did lose. Sonnen is a VERY good fighter but he isn't holding Jones down like he did to Anderson, no way. Jones is the champ and should welcome all challenegers. I seem to remember alot of people saying he didn't deserve the shot at Shogun when it happened.

All I can say is Jones is handling this situation very badly. I would stay away from key phrases such as "cross to bare" and other self pitying comments. Everyone messed up here. He needs to go away for a while and let this all die down. The fans and the UFC are the ones that got screwed on this deal. All the fighters were required to get paid. Atleast those people stuck flying in for the event still can have fun in Vegas. Imagine flying into columbus for an UFC event only to have it cancelled.

Sorry for the rant, but I was a really big supporter for Jones. Now with his 2 DUI's and this, I cant help but root against him.

White is a POS.

Agreed. With the crappiness of UFC 149, you cannot convince me that the UFC cares about the quality of its cards. So that cannot be a reason to cancel this event. UFC needs to go back to the 1 PPV event a month model with a free events sprinkled in every once in a while. It has been a year atleast since I watched an even without fast forwarding through a fight that I did not care about.

Dana is the one that handled this incorrectly.

You don't bash you're #1 ranking P4P fighter and UFC cashcow because he doesn't want to take a fight on virtually ZERO notice, then blame an entire card's dismissal on the guy. Fight week is not a training week, because there are so many appearances etc, and a bunch of shit going on leading up to the fight, there's no time to train, let alone train for a top fighter in his respected class.

Dana White could have easily switched the main event, he's done it in the past.

This is not accurate, fighters are independent contractors and don't get paid unless they fight. Some have sponsorship deals that pay them a monthly check but that's only the top tier guys.

The UFC cancelled the fight not Jones. White is being a baby. If you want to guarantee that a fighter has to accept a different fight put it in the contract. Jones had the right to refuse a different opponent. If the UFC doesn't like it they can rewrite the contract.

Holy Crap. I finally found this clip from the very first UFC TOURNAMENT.
Watch the teeth fly out of the ring.
Edit: Can't see his teeth in that vid.
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Dude's a straight up Nazi
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What are you talking about? He was already training for a fight so how do you get 0 time to train? Chael is the one who would have 0 time to train. Yeah, Chael is a top fighter....at 185! Jones is a HUGE 205'er fighting a guy with 0 time to train, he should of taken the fight.

You are completely wrong about the main event. You don't just "Switch the main event". People bought tickets to see Jones, you don't just put anybody in there and act like it will make it all better. If I had tickets to that event and Jones got pulled and just some random fight was main event I would be MORE pissed, just give me a refund.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

I'm not completely wrong about the main event. White has changed the main event before. It CAN be done. It was White's fault for not putting another match on that card that was half way worth a crap. Would they lose money? Most likely they would. But you're talking about door sales to a show that houses 15,000 people. Most of the money comes from the millions of PPV buys.

You don't go in with a gameplan against one fighter, scrap everything and fight a top fighter in the world on virtually no notice when a title belt and endorsement deals are on the line.

At this level, if you're not prepared, not only do you lose, you get knocked the **** out. Bones' camp is 100000% right in this case. There's nothing wrong w/ Bones looking out for himself.

Not every UFC fighter gets a monthly sponsor check

Yes, they do. Sponsors make up the bulk of a fighter's salary in most cases. Every fighter in the UFC has sponsors, and they all make money from them. This is a fact.

Additionally, most professional fighters in a large org such as the UFC get paid for media appearances (interviews, podcast interviews, seminars, etc) and are also extremely well compensated in terms of "locker room bonuses", which are not disclosed to the public sans a fighter or mgmt (Dana, Lorenzo) talking about it.

The first part also applies to fighters in Bellator, Strikeforce, M1, etc. on a regular basis. However, the majority of a fighter's income is not from base salary, but via sponsors. For example: fight shorts, hats, walkout gear (t-shrits, sweats, etc). As an example, if you look at Thiago Alves e Koscheck's trunks, they are covered with sponsors, from which they get paid.

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They are ruining it.

Boxing all over again IMO.

**** Dana white.
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Not sure I'd jump to that extreme. Dana is Dana. I.e. power hungry, won't let anyone push him around (minus Lorenzo/Frank) and wants to establish precedents imo. He's pissed off fromt he neg. press the UFC has had with Greg's camp via the "running" and with this, he went over the edge. Additionally, Jones' DUI charge after a Bud Light sponsorship didn't help. Really, Dana seems to just be pissed off. Still hasn't sunk to boxing, i.e. fixing matches for the betterment of the UFC and allowing constant avoidance of opponents in the same weight class.

Word is Koch injured, won't fight Aldo at 153. Edgar to fight Aldo.

According to Nevada State Athletic Commision rules, the UFC is required to pay the fighter due to the short notice.

I will say I am more excited to see Aldo/Edgar fight than Aldo/Koch. I cant explain why?

since I know it will be asked:

Under NAC 467.259, the UFC seems to be obligated to reimburse all of those fighters under their bout agreements…