I've heard the same about hockey. The reality is that if it doesn't show well on TV I probably won't give a damn.

I can see how watching guys roll around on the floor would appeal to your nature.

Is that good?

I watched Wrestlemania when I was 11.

Beats the hell out of having to roll a girl around in flour to find the wet spot.

I hear you, to each his own. Wrestling is a noble sport, I just wanted to make note of that.

Uh, no. It really doesn't.

Is Carlos teaching your kids to speak Spanish?

It's all they have.

Well, that and beating MU at football every other year.

History Awaits

All we have is one of the best basketball programs in history? I'll take it.

Which sport? Men or Women?

LMAO

No offense, but I hope you enjoyed the first 115 (or so) years, because if there actually is a fire creating all this smoke, your BB program changes dramatically - and not for the good.

That's what a lot (not all) of KU fans refuse to acknowledge.

Meh. You look like odd man out. Put Missouri in there and remove Nebraska, and you've got a nice, tight, geographical display.

You're screwing the geography, brah; beat it. :D

Even if none of this shit goes down....... this has just been ****ing great.

Watching all these Jayhawk fans sweat this thing out has been quite a treat. The nervous, desperate posts; the mental gymnastics. Priceless.

That being said, the prospect of Kansas landing in the Mountain West conjures conflicting emotions. Strangely enough, I think that I would feel bad... I've really enjoyed the rivalry and it would be sad for it to completely dissolve.

100%

Yep.

But I still really want this to happen. Mizzou to the Big Ten anyway... after that, I don't care.

Or break these puppies out again http://image3.examiner.com/images/bl...rocombat_1.jpg

I realize this.

There is a glimmer of hope in that Notre Dame is currently in negotiations with the Big 10. If ND takes the offer, well, the Big XII likely stays as is with perhaps a team like Colorado leaving and the Big XII scooping up, say, TCU.

If this goes down... I'm bringing an Uzi to the bash. LMAO

Boy, that's an original post. Wrestling is the most grueling sport that there is. You probably wouldn't understand.

ND isn't going to the B10 unless they are at least the 14th-16th team.

They aren't going alone.

**** Yizzle!

I tend to agree. If the 4 16 team Super Conference thing is really coming, (and it sure looks that way) ND would certainly want to be a part of it.

If not, they'd just stay independent.

Shut up Garp.

I'll bet you like soccer, too.

Christ this thread is getting idiotic.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...5816071.column
So what would happen to Mizzou in this scenario?

They stay in the B12.

The B12 only breaks down if two teams go to the B10.

If only one goes, they'll just invite a team to play in the B12. Texas ain't moving unless they absolutely have to.

This is pathetic. Can you at least try?

It's been equally entertaining on this end, watching Mizzou fans who normally make it well known that they're jumping on their high horse and heading to the high road at any sign of adversity join in the mudslinging, even though nothing has actually happened, and if it does, it'll have nothing to do with anything Mizzou did besides sign on the dotted line. It's quite a confusing complex some have with these rivalries.

Try what? I'm trying to have a decent conversation. There is enough idiots on both sides throwing out stupid shit that I thought this was interesting to know what Mizzou fans think about it.

So whats this thread about at this point?

Getting?

It's about 2,400 posts of rival fans hammering on each other, and about 30 posts of Big 10 expansion.

Have we moved onto basketball yet?


No?


Sorry to bother you. (backs out slowly)

Heh, true.

Christ this thread is idiotic.

Have we considered inviting Notre Dame into the Big XII so that they could get a piece of the enormous basketball pie?

Why isn't anyone talking about what this does to college golf? It's COLLEGE GOLF for Godsakes!!!

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2010/j...ic-department/

I think Perkins' days are numbered.

They are probably going to go independent in basketball too, since they have the juice to do that. Probably make way more money that way anyway. Who needs conferences.
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mmmmmmm.....basketball pie

I say if Perkins can keep KU in a BCS conference he will have earned the right to stay. Else......
https://jspivey.wikispaces.com/file/...guillotine.gif

Well is any college leaving ... or is it a stunt too get more TV monies ....

How about cake?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3352/...c72823eb67.jpg

3 National Championships? You mean only Kansas counts the Helms championships as actual championships? This can't be. I mean, yes, the Helms foundation wasn't even created until 2 decades after the 1922 and 1923 seasons, and yes, subsequent analysis of the 1921-22 season showed that Missouri, not Kansas, would have won the championship based on the baseline information that the Helms foundation used to determine a champion, but I digress...


Rank Team Rec.
1 Missouri 16-1
2 Kansas 16-2
3 Army 17-2
4 Idaho 19-1
5 Oregon St. 21-2
6 Wabash 21-3
7 Holy Cross 14-3
8 Purdue 15-3
9 Michigan 15-4
10 CCNY 10-2
11 Butler 23-4
12 Princeton 20-5
13 Illinois 14-5
14 Wisconsin 14-5
15 Pennsylvania 24-3
16 Texas A&M 18-3
17 Navy 15-3
18 Wooster 14-1
19 Beloit 12-0
20 Texas 20-4

Sorry to interrupt, but.......


http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/201...usspor00000002


Big Ten, Notre Dame Are Talking ... Again


Notre Dame is officially on the clock.

According to sources, the Big Ten officials and Notre Dame officials have entered into talks that could drastically alter the realignment talk which has dominated headlines in recent days. One insider told FanHouse on Tuesday that the two sides are talking about the nation's biggest independent joining one of the most influential conferences to give the Big Ten its desired 12 members.

The source said the talks "could not necessarily" be described as negotiations but said if Notre Dame can be convinced to give up its long standing independence that things could move rather quickly. Another source familiar with the back-and-forth between Notre Dame and the Big Ten over the years believes all of the Big Ten expansion talk which began with commissioner Jim Delany's announcement last December has always been aimed at getting the Irish to join the conference.

The realization that the Big Ten's threat to add five members could trigger a reaction that would create four super 16-team conferences, and effectively put the squeeze on Notre Dame scheduling, has convinced Irish officials to again sit down at the table with the Big Ten. Earlier this decade the two sides explored the possibility of Notre Dame joining the Big Ten, but in the end the Irish opted to remain independent and enjoy a lucrative television deal with NBC.

Since then, the major conferences have shifted away from giving Notre Dame a full conference share of any BCS game it participates in and, in order to get to the national title game, the Irish have to go undefeated during the regular season.

"Now Notre Dame has to be asking themselves who will they schedule in a four-conference,16-team (per conference) environment?" the source said. "They can maybe schedule the WAC, the MAC and Sun Belt Conference. The questions are: Is that less than what NBC bargained for and will those schools get to a BCS national championship game? I'd say no."

Meanwhile, there is a strong belief that if the Big Ten is successful in luring Notre Dame that it would no longer be interested in expanding from 11 to 16 teams. Currently, the Big Ten's expansion threat has leagues such as the Big 12 and Big East in complete disarray.

The Big 12 could be looking at dissolution soon if the Big Ten is able to lure Nebraska and Missouri, which would then cause a chain reaction that will see Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Baylor or Colorado join the Pac-10 schools to form a 16-team conference. The Big East, in which Notre Dame's other sports compete, also likely would implode with Rutgers, Syracuse and Pitt also being targeted for Big Ten expansion.

Most experts agree that the formation of four 16-team conferences would be good only for television partners and fattening the pockets of those leagues. Geographically, there would be major issues plus the cost of travel -- especially for the non-revenue producing sports -- would shoot up significantly.

"The same thing has been stated by the SEC commissioner, the ACC commissioner and myself, that we'd hate to see the landscape change," Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe said last week of the possibility of 16-team leagues. "We think 12 is an optimum number. We are prepared in case we need to change our membership but I think that is the number that works.

"Those of us who have been around the business for a long time feel like that's the number that works. I think it's a huge disservice to the student athlete if it grows to a bigger number where they have to go further and not have as much chance to win championships and have as much access to national championships."

Those worries all go away for now if Notre Dame and the Big Ten are able to come to an agreement.

The addition of Notre Dame would give the Big Ten and the Big Ten Network a football program with a global draw while also giving the league 12 members -- which allows for a lucrative conference championship game.

A phone message for Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick was not returned.

Notre Dame joining a conference also seems to resolve some of the issues that it will face down the road, chief among them are scheduling. Inside a conference, scheduling would not be a problem. And the conference payout of between $20 and $22 million in the Big Ten would be a significant bump from the exclusive NBC deal.

The key for Notre Dame is deciding if joining the Big Ten is worth giving up the mystique of independence.

It could just be the Big 10's ploy to get ND in their conference.

ROFL

Made of KUpcakes. How fitting.

Missouri got ****ed again?

Right. They in no way would even think of adding those two schools. I am sure the idea of plundering three markets and all those football viewers from the Big 12 is just utterly unappealing.

They probably were just feigning interest... so ND would get jealous.

Riiiight.

This sounds like a very troubling time for you... :-)
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Wow, talk about an extreme overreaction to my post. I did say "could". You must be in the meeting room with Big 10 officials. Sorry. Please forgive me.

No. 1952, 1988, 2008.

The article isn't even from a KU website.

It would be the most poetic justice of all, should Notre Dame say yes to the Big Ten and Mizzou would have completely shat themselves. They would then be the black sheep of the Big XII, with nowhere to go. For a school with so little to offer, MU has hung itself out on a very weak limb.

LMAO. The black sheep?

If ND "saves" the Big XII, things will return to normal, and we'll all resume being Texas's Sat. Night girl.

The Mizzou Shatbags here have spewed lots of venom. For it to blow up in there face, would be poetic.

And we could all live happily ever after under Texas' thumb.

Fwiw, Mizzou hasn't said shit about all this other than, "We're a proud member of the Big XII" All they've done is make it known that they're unhappy that all members aren't treated equally. And if a conference comes calling where they are? You're damn right they'll listen.

Mizzou's being painted as the villian in all this, but that's way off base.

LMAO This post reads like an Ed Hardy shirt looks.

LMAO KU fans do the same year in and year out. For once basketball can't save KU and their fans.

Actually, I know someone who probably knows something but of course when I am dying for info he's on vacation.
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Exactly...the big 12 created this shit by not giving a ****

Exactly.

Mizzou's just evil because they're not lining up to blow Texas, I guess.

You can't blame them for getting it all out while they can - it is generally seen as weak to bang on mid major teams too much.
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Mizzou's been flashing their nasty vagina at the Big Ten for a few years now. If Notre Dame picks the Big Ten, Mizzou will be college-non-grata in the Big XII immediately - they already are. Like pretty-boys Mike Alden and Quin Snyder, Mizzou athletics is nothing more than form over substance. You better pray ND stays Independent, or the Tiggers might be the ones outside, looking in.

ROFL

Good luck with that.

LMAO

Despite all of the back-and-forth between the Big XII fanbases in this thread, the real culprit is mother****ing Dan Beebe. Seriously. What the **** has he been paid to do the past three years? Sit with his thumb up his ass?

**** you very much, Dan.

Have fun in the Mountain West.

So are you saying KU wouldn't have done the same thing in MU's shoes? I am confused...

Exaaaactly. The Big XII is broken as it stands now. Mizzou's just lucky enough to possibly have a better option. It's really that simple.

It's not traitorous... it's common sense.

Yeah, Dan Beebe has less competence that Allard Baird, Dayton Moore and Carl Peterson combined.

If this was determined by basketball MU would be ****ed /uninformed ku fan

I still think it's unfair to put baird there

And just like the city who's television market would send MU to the Big 10, Mizzou fans find a way to have both superiority and inferiority complexes.

Seriously though, who's calling Mizzou the bad guy? The articles I've read are about other schools pleading with MU and NU to stay... I don't think I've seen anything that says Mizzou is screwing over the Big 12 teams, that they should stay (outside of the benefit of those who want them to stay), etc.

Hell, based on what I've read, I don't think Mizzou plays a huge part in things... it's much more about Texas, and then Nebraska. If Texas leaves, it's taking half the conference with it. If Nebraska leaves, I've heard there's a better chance Texas leaves. If Mizzou and only Mizzou leaves, the Big 12 stays. :shrug:

It's he and Texas to blame ultimately for the conference's demise... true. It's not like KU/KSU/etc can help what's going on. And the movers just happen to be in the right place at the right time to move up.
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