Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 18042701)

He’s one of the few OL who has had it. So it’s one of the comps you can look at.

I didn’t do anything more than take some notes on paper as I was looking into it, so I guess I conflated “early in his Browns contract” with his rookie deal. Oops.

Weird that the two OL examples that are easiest to find are both guys who tore their patellar tendons while on second deals with the Cleveland Browns. Are we sure they don’t use the same trainers as the Chargers?

But if you don’t want to look at him and throw it out as an outlier, you can look at Conklin (whose other knee exploded the year after coming back from this, and who is just now coming back from that).

The part that makes me the most apprehensive here is that even if you WANT to say he’s a positive outlier because the Chiefs doctors checked him out and are confident they are, the truth is Simmons apparently isn’t cleared for strenuous enough activity to truly test whether he is.

If all he’s cleared for right now is 225-pound squats as reported on Wednesday, we’re nowhere close to seeing if the power and strength and explosion and torque and flexibility from this knee are the same.

They can look at the knee and be happy with how it healed and confident he’s not going to develop a staph infection and convinced the joint is sound, with no loose bodies. They can probably even predict if tendinitis or early arthritis are issues and be confident they’re not.

But none of that is the real concern with this injury.

I’m crossing my fingers and hoping it works. It’s a tremendous advantage for the Chiefs if it does. I’ll be glad to be on the wrong side of this one, if that’s how it works out.

Originally Posted by tmax63 (Post 18042719)

I'll bet we find out later that no one was willing to talk to Veach about trading up. Seems like it's getting harder for the Chiefs to find trade partners. I really thought the Vikings might trade because they need picks but they must of wanted too much in the deal.

Originally Posted by tmax63 (Post 18042719)

I'll bet we find out later that no one was willing to talk to Veach about trading up. Seems like it's getting harder for the Chiefs to find trade partners. I really thought the Vikings might trade because they need picks but they must of wanted too much in the deal.

Originally Posted by Monticore (Post 18042718)

It’s very hard to predict how this injury will heal/affect his performance , the only ther concern might be his other knee , sometimes theses injuries are caused by a predisposition in his genetics , my friend tore both patellar tendons a year a part and my wife was told she had a higher chance of tearing her other Achilles after she tore one side.

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 18042691)

That's what I don't get. Veach already admitted Burkholder cringed and was very leery of the injury at first and only after a ton of due diligence were they comfortable with making this pick.

Maybe they really are just foolhardy and so desperate for a franchise LT that they took Simmons, all risk be damned, or maybe they're privy to medicals we aren't and other teams didn't do enough work on him to find out one way or the other. We'll see come August, because Reid was adamant about him being good to go at training camp. If he's not it's going to be very concerning.

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 18042623)

Just an FYI, Tommy John tore his elbow ligament, not his rotator cuff. And he’s not in the HOF. :)

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 18042722)

LMAO What? The Eagles traded one spot up with us because we almost assuredly had an offer or two from another team to jump them.

Originally Posted by JohnnyV13 (Post 18042735)

LOL. I KNOW it's freak'n elbow tear, but for some reason I had a brain fart and wrote rotator cuff.

Steve freak'n Busby (my favorite player as a child due to his 2x no hitters) had a rotator cuff repair where he was never the same.

And man, I'm surprised TJ isn't in. Catfish Hunter is in and Tommy john isn't. I just sorta assumed but, now that I think about it, a lot of people call him a compiler who played on good teams.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 18042727)

Okay, we have to stop using the word HEAL.

It's not about 'healing'.

It's about FUNCTION after healing. History says it doesn't work the same. Not the same explosion, flexibility, strength AFTER HEALING.

Now, maybe it's going to work out. Maybe he'll be fine and either 100% or near enough that it won't bother him.

But it's a risk, and a big one. Is it WORTH that big of a risk?

Well, the team thought so. I guess maybe so, when you consider that we weren't going to get near a top ten LT prospect any other way.

So let's see what happens.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18042686)

Everybody's way too sure of themselves.

Originally Posted by tmax63 (Post 18042740)

They gave us a 5th so someone wouldn't jump them so that means nobody wanted to give Veach more than a 5th round pick to get their guy. A 5th is pretty damn cheap to ensure you get the guy you want.