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Rooster 10-12-2011 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats. (Post 7988426)
I had heard BYU was not wanting to share it's books with the league.

Too many wives on the books?

HemiEd 10-12-2011 09:31 AM

Mizzou might be playing this deal just right.

Sooner rather than later, I would guess the Big 12 gets tired of their shit and would just like to see them gone. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Saul Good 10-12-2011 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 7988638)
The sec makes about 1.2 milion more than missouri will make this year(and will actually make less than the reported 20 million big 12 members wl make next year but that will be ignored). Neinas is basing his numbers of of that.

No, he was basing it off of all SEC teams making an extra $12 million which is stupid.

Incidentally, if you think that the Big XII is going to get some fat new contract without aTm, Nebraska, or Colorado, you're more optimistic than I am.

Saul Good 10-12-2011 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 7988653)
Mizzou might be playing this deal just right.

Sooner rather than later, I would guess the Big 12 gets tired of their shit and would just like to see them gone. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

From your lips to God's ears...

What the hell good does it do to hold Mizzou hostage? Does it really make a league look attractive to other schools? As long as Mizzou is trying to escape, there will be zero stability to the conference.

Pants 10-12-2011 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7988677)
From your lips to God's ears...

What the hell good does it do to hold Mizzou hostage? Does it really make a league look attractive to other schools? As long as Mizzou is trying to escape, there will be zero stability to the conference.

We want your $$. Thanks.

HemiEd 10-12-2011 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7988677)
From your lips to God's ears...

What the hell good does it do to hold Mizzou hostage? Does it really make a league look attractive to other schools? As long as Mizzou is trying to escape, there will be zero stability to the conference.

We agree on this 100%. They need to get it behind them and move on. Two years in a row, good bye.

Kind of like the girlfriend caught cheating the second time, its over and she should not have been given a second chance.

alnorth 10-12-2011 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7988549)
I wasn't confused by anything. The conference agreed that a team leaving an intact league would cause damages of $6million. The conference is going to have a hell of a time showing that a team leaving an already fractured league owes more in damages than the first schools that left.

You are talking about a negotiated settlement where the conference didn't want the bad press and ugliness of a public fight in court. That settlement does not automatically have an impact on the penalties that are in the bylaws. The Big 12 did not waive, forever and ever, their rights in the bylaws.

It may be better to again avoid the ugliness of a court fight and negotiate another settlement, but that is up to the conference. Mizzou is not entitled to a settlement if the Big 12 decides they want to play hardball, they have to convince a judge to ignore their contract.

alnorth 10-12-2011 10:06 AM

All that said, I think Neinas' public statements that basically signalled a possible unwillingness to bend on the 2 year 90% penalty is stupid. The conference gains nothing from this, either they have the right to the penalty or not. Feel free to talk behind the scenes, but they shouldn't be publicly waving it in MU's face like this.

If MU were to voluntarily decide not to leave, they would need to do so out of a perceived position of strength, as if they were magnanimously doing it for the good of the rivalry. Now, if MU doesn't leave (and people in the SEC don't come out saying they didn't want MU or something), some might perceive that the Big 12 bullied them into staying because of the penalty.

Because of this bonehead move by the commissioner, I think Mizzou only stays if the SEC decides they'd rather have an East team to balance out the divisions, leaving MU with no options, but still pissed at the Big 12 and ready to leave ASAP, basically another TA&M situation.

HemiEd 10-12-2011 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7988723)
All that said, I think Neinas' public statements that basically signalled a possible unwillingness to bend on the 2 year 90% penalty is stupid. The conference gains nothing from this, either they have the right to the penalty or not. Feel free to talk behind the scenes, but they shouldn't be publicly waving it in MU's face like this.

If MU were to voluntarily decide not to leave, they would need to do so out of a perceived position of strength, as if they were magnanimously doing it for the good of the rivalry. Now, if MU doesn't leave (and people in the SEC don't come out saying they didn't want MU or something), some might perceive that the Big 12 bullied them into staying because of the penalty.

Because of this bonehead move by the commissioner, I think Mizzou only stays if the SEC decides they'd rather have an East team to balance out the divisions, leaving MU with no options, but still pissed at the Big 12 and ready to leave ASAP, basically another TA&M situation.

Bingo

alnorth 10-12-2011 10:19 AM

If I'm Mizzou, I'm probably going to be so outraged by this development, that if I had any inkling at all of staying, that is gone now. If, as Mizzou, I have an SEC invite in my pocket, I don't wait. Screw the penalty, fight it in court, and even if I lose, I rely on increased alumni donations and/or bigger SEC payments to tide me over, and even if that doesn't happen, I just eat the penalty rather than allow the public to perceive that MU is meekly crawling back under the cloud of a monetary threat by the Big 12.

Saul Good 10-12-2011 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7988714)
You are talking about a negotiated settlement where the conference didn't want the bad press and ugliness of a public fight in court. That settlement does not automatically have an impact on the penalties that are in the bylaws. The Big 12 did not waive, forever and ever, their rights in the bylaws.

It may be better to again avoid the ugliness of a court fight and negotiate another settlement, but that is up to the conference. Mizzou is not entitled to a settlement if the Big 12 decides they want to play hardball, they have to convince a judge to ignore their contract.

The Big XII didn't waive anything, but they did set a baseline. It isn't binding, but it will absolutely be taken into consideration by the courts.

If an intact conference loses a member and settles for $6 million, what damages are due when a member leaves after 27% of their original partners have left?

I would say that if this goes all the way through the courts (which won't happen), there is a better chance of a judge ruling that the contract signed by Mizzou has been voided by the loss of members than for Mizzou to be forced to pay more than Nebraska or Colorado settled for.

I stand by my estimate of 3-6 million.

HemiEd 10-12-2011 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7988750)
If I'm Mizzou, I'm probably going to be so outraged by this development, that if I had any inkling at all of staying, that is gone now. If, as Mizzou, I have an SEC invite in my pocket, I don't wait. Screw the penalty, fight it in court, and even if I lose, I rely on increased alumni donations and/or bigger SEC payments to tide me over, and even if that doesn't happen, I just eat the penalty rather than allow the public to perceive that MU is meekly crawling back under the cloud of a monetary threat by the Big 12.

I don't see the Big12 as the bad guy here, Mizzou put itself out there two years in a row. Just get it over with already.
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Pants 10-12-2011 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 7988765)
I don't see the Big12 as the bad guy here, Mizzou put itself out there two years in a row. Just get it over with already.
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Naw. We want their exit fees. Why let them walk when we can make them pay?

Saul Good 10-12-2011 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7988723)
All that said, I think Neinas' public statements that basically signalled a possible unwillingness to bend on the 2 year 90% penalty is stupid. The conference gains nothing from this, either they have the right to the penalty or not. Feel free to talk behind the scenes, but they shouldn't be publicly waving it in MU's face like this.

If MU were to voluntarily decide not to leave, they would need to do so out of a perceived position of strength, as if they were magnanimously doing it for the good of the rivalry. Now, if MU doesn't leave (and people in the SEC don't come out saying they didn't want MU or something), some might perceive that the Big 12 bullied them into staying because of the penalty.

Because of this bonehead move by the commissioner, I think Mizzou only stays if the SEC decides they'd rather have an East team to balance out the divisions, leaving MU with no options, but still pissed at the Big 12 and ready to leave ASAP, basically another TA&M situation.

This all bolsters our case. Missouri can go to court and say that they were treated in a hostile manner by a conference that should be acting as an advocate. After all, MU is still a member in good standing, has broken no rules, has not stated any intention to withdraw, and has not applied for membership of any other conference.

What we are receiving is nothing short of abuse by the commissioner. Why the **** would we stay in a conference that treats its remaining members this way?

tk13 10-12-2011 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 7988765)
I don't see the Big12 as the bad guy here, Mizzou put itself out there two years in a row. Just get it over with already.
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Yeah but that's a double edged sword because the teams calling the shots have basically put themselves out there two years in a row as well. That's where I see the hypocrisy in this. I wouldn't blame MU, KU, ISU or any of them for trying to leave. If UT and OU had their way, they would be in the Pac 12 right now and everyone else would be out to dry.
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