I saw several plays where The Raiders were doubling Karlaftis.

I said to myself, " Self, George has arrived."

I saved all the posts in this thread like a Thanksgiving pie.

I knew it would be delicious. Tribal I truly appreciate your idiotic dedication to your own dumb**** predictions it has made it even sweeter to watch you force fed your own posts.

Just lmao forever at you continuously double-downing your dumb opinions. You don't get to have any joy at watching Karlaftis his entire career because the salty taste of your loss will forever be in your mouth with every sack, FF or FR

So a random post that might have used Justin Smith or Hali as a ceiling for comparison- is worse than hating on the guy since he was drafted? LMAO

Why did George only get credit for half a sack yesterday?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> rookie DE George Karlaftis gets to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raiders?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Raiders</a> QB Jarrett Stidham for the 2nd down sack. He now was 6 sacks in his last 7 games. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/FEcOwu9krl">pic.twitter.com/FEcOwu9krl</a></p>&mdash; Devon Clements (@DevclemNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/DevclemNFL/status/1611857053936680960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Because Jones had the QB at the ankles before George was there

Lmao, look at the Raiders try to double team Chris. He wasn't having it and got there and was able to grab the QBs leg.

^ George and Chris were both so dominant in that play. Hope they keep it up.

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I prefer pass rushers who look like mongoloids and aren't criminals.

I wasn't a fan of this pick on draft day. But, GK has come on in the second half of the season, and I am on record in this thread saying that I am excited to see how he improves from this year to next.

However, on draft day, there were people saying that he was almost the equivalent to Aiden Hutchinson, and that there wasn't that much of a difference between them.

I just watched some rookie highlights, and Holy Shit, there is a huge, huge difference between them. Hutchinson looked much faster, much more athletic, and is just a better football player than GK.

I am not hating on GK, but those people who were drawing comparisons between AH and GK to make the pick look better were just stupid.

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Hutchinson had a game this year where he registered three sacks and finished the year with 9.5. George has had 6 sacks in his last seven games. So if you're looking for the hotter player right now, it's George.

But no, I never though George was on the same level as Hutchinson. He was great value however.

There's probably a lot of truth to this. If we're absolutely honest, Karlaftis is not physically special in any particular way. He's pretty fast, but not especially so. He's not very 'bendy,' or flexible, and he's not the most instinctive player in the world.

He has a really good motor, and a full offseason with the training staff, a proper conditioning program, etc., he could have a better motor. Maybe a great one. With a specialist training him, he could shave a tenth off his :40 time, which means more acceleration, and even more top speed, which kind of who cares, but to reach that goal he'd also have to get more limber, or bendy. Now, he's never going to be a yoga instructor, but he could significantly improve his flexibility, which could have several benefits.

And he's going to benefit from the coaching staff, in particular coach Cullen, who could greatly accelerate his learning curve, and make him one of the smartest young DEs in the league. That counts for a lot in Spags defense, when you're asked to not only do the traditional things DEs are asked to do in the NFL, but also cover, play all the positions on the DL, maybe even LB, as well. He's going to know a ton about the nuts and bolts of defense in a couple years. This time with Cullen could be formative for Karlaftis. And George has the fundamental building blocks to do what Cullen and Spags are going to be asking of him. He has good recognition skills and good instincts. He takes good angles most of the time, regardless of situation.

And he's playing for the Chiefs, so he's going to have ample opportunities to work on those skills; he'll hardly ever be asked to just defend the run, game after game, right? He's going to be playing in a lot of games where the other team is going to be throwing a lot.

George could transform into one of the best young DEs in a year or two, if he can find a little more burst, flexibility, and get samurai-like about working on his craft.

So, he probably won't ever be elite. Actually, unless he does suddenly become a yoga master, being elite is off the table. Solid mid-tier, he could do that. 8+ sacks a season, maybe peak out at 10+ a couple times?

I think we'd all like that.

He split reps at DE as a rookie and had 6 sacks in 7 games to end the regular season and some still think his ceiling is 8-10 sacks?

Ummm ok

Once he refines his technique and packs on 10-15 pounds of muscle, I think his sights are higher than that.

sad that all people see are the stat line. He's been a significant upgrade at the position all season and got better throughout the season. he's gonna be a beast the next few years.

Well, I'm trying to be conservative here.

And yeah, he got 5 sacks to finish the season, but if we're honest, our last half dozen or so games weren't against the best OLs in the league. We kind of knew that the defense was going to look better, both statistically and in the eye test, partially because we knew they were going to be going up against inferior talent for the last few games.

In that 6 games stretch, they only faced one top-tier offense/OL, CIN, and one good one in SEA. The rest of those teams were bottom tier offenses, riddled with injuries, or were hamstrung by backup QBs. Not to mention that several were out of the playoff race by the time we ran into them.

So, yeah, I'm going to hedge a little on how optimistic I am right now. The thing is, almost everything that could make George better than average is going to grow between his ears. He's not a physical freak, but he's supposedly pretty smart. That's going to be his best weapon, not his bend or burst. He can improve, but he's never going to be mistaken for one of the Bosa brothers, physically speaking.

But he can develop the mental side of his game to a point where it starts to mitigate some of those physical limitations, so that he can be where he needs to be in time to make plays consistently. Because he does have some speed, and he has that motor.

That's going to take a little time, but like I said, he's going to have plenty of chances to hone his craft.

This is the most level headed take on here on him imo. Opposition matters and it's ridiculous not to factor that in alongside his possible growth this year. He has improved somewhat but his pressure rate hasn't been stellar and he's also had plenty of tackling whiffs.

He has physical limitations that will probably limit his ceiling BUT he has enough to develop into a very good if not elite DE especially given he seems smart and hard working. I still think he's pretty far off that right now.

I think GK is going to be a really, really good player for the Chiefs. I really wanted Christian Watson (I know he would have been a reach in the 1st, but I thought he had a lot of potential, and his size and speed was a tantalizing prospect) or I wanted a safety, because I really wasn't that high on GK.

And watching GK slide down the draft board, I obviously wasn't the only one who wasn't that high on GK, as some had projected him in the top 15 but he kept sliding.

But, there were people who were seriously suggesting that the gap between GK and AH wasn't 29 picks wide. Maybe they were trying to convince others, or themselves, that it was a good pick.

Watching the AH highlights really opened my eyes to the talent gap.

Think about this:

AH has more picks (3) than our 1st round corner, and more sacks than our 1st round defensive end. And he doesn't play with anyone the caliber of Chris Jones. Some of GK's sacks are directly related to Chris Jones and the havoc he causes.

Again, I am really a fan of GK now. I think he is going to keep improving, and could be a similar player to Tamba Hali.

But, the people who said that GK was as good, or nearly as good as AH were absolutely wrong.

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Yeah I agree, though I didn't want Watson so maybe another one I got wrong. But I think GK was good value at the pick. I havent rated his performances this year anywhere near as highly as others on CP it seems, but I'm hopeful of a big improvement in year 2.

He seems to be getting better every week. I'm excited to see what his future has in store..

I think alot of people are forgetting that Hutchinson was a complete product while George has barely played football.

He's still got a sharp improvement curve ahead of him.

We really going back to the 'some sacks don't really count' thing?

They only count against the elite teams? Coverage sacks don't count? All of that stuff?

Dude is a 21 year old rookie who put up 6 sacks, a bunch of batted balls, and a pretty good pressure rate.

He's been getting a sack a game on average for the last third to half of the season almost.

And his ceiling is 8-10 sacks?

I've got news for you-it's the NFL, and stats are stats no matter who you play. And if you don't think elite pass rushers put up a lot of their stats against inferior opponents, you're nuts.

George is turning out to be a really good pick. As good as Hutchinson? Well, Hutchinson was a very polished prospect, and George was much more raw.

Physically? Well, the RAS is a lot closer than people think. The big knock on George was 'short arms' and they're longer than Hutchinson's. They're a similar 'type' if you will.

He's big, freakishly strong hardworking kid who's hard on himself. That can translate to greatness with just a little luck.

I loved his post Raider game interview. All the praise to the VETs, dude is gonna professionally beast for a long long time

Agreed. NFL is NFL is NFL. It's the same reason I find it annoying when people complain about the Chiefs "barely" beating teams like Denver and the Texans. You hear players and coaches talk all the time about how hard it is to win in the league. That goes for games as well as individual matchups. George is on the come up for sure.

I don’t know. Not knocking GK, but Hutchinson was a force last week against GB in a way that GK has not done yet. You can like a player such as GK and see the potential while realizing that he isn’t AH and may never be. Many people outside CP loved the GK pick for KC and thought he was a great value pick. He is playing quite well for where he was drafted and has in most people’s estimation exceeded first year expectations.

Furious George is an animal. People knocking him are crazy. He will be great for us for a long time

He reminds me of Hali to be honest. Both drafted later in the 1st, neither has elite measurables but gets the job done. If Hali is his ceiling, then that is pretty good and worth where we drafted him.

This is true, but Hutch started out further ahead. He's also a year older, and three inches taller, though his arms are actually slightly shorter.

It's no surprise that Hutchinson became a force; I'm just saying we haven't reached anywhere near Karlaftis' ceiling.

Hali is a reachable ceiling. Might be higher. The floor is what he is right now, which is still pretty good-let's call it an above average DE.
But again, the kid is 21 freaking years old.

What's his pressure rate, genuine question.

I've always thought Tribal was a little different but fairly reasonable. I had no idea all this time he was actually a complete reerun until this thread, but the evidence overwhelming at this point.

T Walker 8.6%
A Hutchinson 9.4%
J Johnson 9.3%
G Karlaftis 10.4%

First thing i look for when watching a rookie DL is if they're strong at the point of attack. If they're getting blown off the LoS, that's a real bad sign. It means you shouldn't be playing because assignments and gaps are getting ****ed by your inability to do your job.

So if you can hold your gap and not get your shit pushed in, we're already off to a real positive trajectory. At the very least, we can play you on run downs, early downs etc.

Karlaftis is a ****ing man out there. I never notice him getting blown off the LoS. He either holds it or pushes it in.

That's all i really wanna see. You can win with that. The sacks and numbers etc will come in time. Which they have. And will continue to do so.

He's not some freakish, long DE ala Javon Kearse. He's not some speed rusher who can chase down mobile QB's from behind. And that's ok. Get over that. He's already a solid player that you can depend on. To ME, that already moves him out of potential bust territory.

I don't know how you could watch his rookie season and be down on this guy. He's only going to get better, stronger etc and he's ALREADY a competent, good starter who can give you at least 7-10 sacks a season. My dudes...that is a winning, positive player.

The only 'worry' I have, if you can even call it that, is that I think GK is mostly maxed physically. And I don't mean that to say he can't get stronger, but I mean it to say that he's not the sort of unicorn that can get stronger AND faster. Or even stronger while staying the same speed.

Let's say he has 100 attribute points - I don't think he can take that up to 120. I think he's capped at 100 and he can put 60 into speed and 40 into power. Or 50/50 or 40/60.

Any additional power will come at the expense of agility/bend. Any additional bend will come at the expense of power.

I think he can change HOW he's built but I don't think he's substantially improve his 'overall' physical ability. Did I make that clear as mud?

For me I think he can afford to spend an off-season focusing on his agility. It may mean a little less functional strength, but I think that's a trade worth making because I haven't seen a guy who's getting rocked out there. Moreover, technique/tenacity can do quite a bit to cover for a little bit of reduced strength.

But man, if he could get just a liiiiiitle quicker or more fluid, he could be a real force. At that point you'd be looking at a potential Maxx Crosby sort of player.

Guy could never improve an inch from where he is now and not be a 'bust'.

He wasn't a top 5 pick here. He's established baseline competence. Yeah, even as a worst case scenario, that's an acceptable (if not ideal) return on a 1st round pick. Bust is well off the table.

Yup.

I think he can get a lot stronger which speed will come with that. He will never be a speed rusher but won't let us down on the run either. I think Veach will still try and find a speed guy to complement George as we did hear rumblings about a Josh Allen trade.

I think Hali is spot on like most have said.

Also find it funny that Hutch is even being brought up when comparing George.....I'm sure Veach would of taken Hutch not George if he had that #2 overall pick haha.

This was when I realized just how strong Karlaftis was. If you’re holding your own and winning against Quinten Nelson you’re pretty damn good

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">George Karlaftis on 3rd and 1 taking on Quinten Nelson <a href="https://t.co/2K1MtUbNZD">pic.twitter.com/2K1MtUbNZD</a></p>&mdash; Daniel Harms�� (@InHarmsWay19) <a href="https://twitter.com/InHarmsWay19/status/1587096714812739584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 31, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I think you're equating 'stronger' with 'heavier'.

I don't think that's necessarily the case. He's a big, strong, thick kid as it is, but that's with only one offseason with an NFL training staff. I don't think he needs to really get bigger, but I can absolutely see him getting more out of his muscle. I don't think that needs to mean he gets slower at all, quite the opposite.

You can train to develop quick twitch muscle, which is probably something he's never done, as he could just bully people in high school and college. Hell, he kind of can in the NFL, just not as consistently.

We'll see. Obviously that would be pretty nice if he can add functional strength AND athleticism.

He's a baby, so it's not impossible.

I just know that the guy he played as in his final year at Purdue was built MUCH differently than the Freshman year version of him. He added a ton of strength over those 3 years but it did cost him some of that agility he showed as a Freshman.

And I know we like to cite "NFL Training Staffs" but fellas those guys running weight rooms at Big 10 schools ain't stupid. Hell, the guy in charge of the powerlifting team for my High School was a national champion in his mid-20s. I think at times we overestimate what some of these kids have access to in college.

The real issue, as you kinda alluded to, is the 'want to'. Many of them need a kick in the ass at the NFL level to dedicate themselves to the sort of high end training that they COULD'VE been doing in college but weren't doing because they were already physically imposing.

GK, OTOH, really re-shaped his body at Purdue. I think he absolutely was taking advantage of the facilities there and I'd be surprised if there's a new world of training tools available to him at this level.

Different, though. I imagine in college they saw George as a guy who could bulk up and monster through people. So they worked on that.

Now he's in the NFL. He can monster through, even in the NFL, but could use a little more efficiency, and a little quickness. I don't think it's crazy to think a 21 year old can still add a little juice.

That's exactly what I think they'll try to do. And I think they'll succeed.

Like I said, I just think they'll have too sacrifice a little of that 'bulk up' to do so. I don't think he'll play less strong because I think he can develop his technique in ways to address that.

I think he has the ability to be a better player - I'm not saying I think his ability to contribute is maxed out. Only that I see him at/near the peak of his ability to physically 'turn the knob to 11' so to speak.

I'm with you in the idea that there won't be any massive transformation. I don't think that's necessary, anyway. Just a few tweaks could make him even more effective.

And the toughest part, really, is the desire and work ethic, and that kid's got that in spades.

Sometimes I really do question if maybe NFL scouts get a little jaded/cynical to their own detriment.

Because unless you've seen 100 full of shit faux 'try-hards' show up in your pre-draft interviews, I don't know how you see someone like Karlaftis and not think he's a slam dunk to be at least a solid NFL player.

You have to have convinced yourself that they're all full of shit to just ignore that guys eagerness.

That kid showed up ready to work from Day 1 and it was just so inescapable.

Yep. Give me 11 guys with above average athletic ability and THAT motor and I'll crush souls.

Honestly surprised he's ahead of Hutchinson, nice

And the thing is, I think every coach in the world would agree with that sentiment.

Which is why I say it almost has to be cynicism that leads teams to sometimes ignore it. They just don't believe it when it's in front of them unless/until the guy shows up to camp with his hair on fire...

I think it's partly about 'measurables,' as well. How many people right here on CP were initially unimpressed by George because he only had 5 (I think that's what he had) sacks his last year in college? For some people, if they don't see an impressive stat history, they can't see anything else, or whatever.

College stats, when trying to project a player in the pros, is about as trash as next day Taco Bell.

Completely agree. And I'm not even saying that a ton of these guys are only looking at stats; just that they might be weighing them to 'x' degree more or enough to 'blind' them to the tape, so to speak. Obviously, when you get to the NFL, these guys are pretty sharp evaluators. It might just be that some are more biased about stats or metrics than others.

Take WRs, or RBs. Some teams seem to value speed above all other things, so they'll draft a guy that is an elite burner, but maybe he's not great in any other area. Or maybe he's one of those guys that relies almost completely on that speed; he's not going to work on his technique/mechanics, situational awareness or whatever. We've seen guys like that forever.

Or Ryan Leaf; prototypical QB, had all the measurables, etc., but a ten-cent head. In hindsight we can look back and criticize anyone taking him over Peyton in the draft, but on paper he seemed like a lock for a future All-pro, because 'look at this guy's stature, look at all those numbers!'

'Want to,' desire, football IQ . . . these are all tougher to evaluate from an interview, but are probably just as important to the player's future success in the NFL.

Damn.

Yeah I hadn't seen that, that is ****ing impressive

I never meant to imply that GK's sacks didn't count, or were worth less because of Chris Jones. I was simply saying that he benefits from playing with Chris Jones, which cannot be disputed, and AH doesn't play with anyone nearly as dominant as Chris Jones.

I think GK is going to be a double digit sack guy the rest of his career. His motor and hustle, paired with more experience and improved techniques, are going to make him hard to deal with.

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Time for George to try The Greek leak sack celebration. No way that's a flag

He should pretend to clean the ball with Windex to celebrate fumble recoveries

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Coming out of Purdue, Karl’s refined technique is NOT what caught the eye of our GM Brett Veach<br><br>Effort &amp; Intelligence drew him to a player many thought would slip out of the 1st round<br><br>Here, GK can be seen working on his push-pull move and his get-off b4 the szn (remember this) <a href="https://t.co/DggFbCrS6R">pic.twitter.com/DggFbCrS6R</a></p>&mdash; Smartest Guy in the Zoom (@CBreezy_Edits) <a href="https://twitter.com/CBreezy_Edits/status/1616115526530482176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 19, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Early-Midseason presented series challenges for the rookie. A lack of confidence, accompanied by a tougher set of opponents, proved too difficult of a challenge. <br><br>Here, GK has been put on a stunt inside. His hesitation &amp; lack of intuition prevent him from being effective <a href="https://t.co/nzXN8GPGNY">pic.twitter.com/nzXN8GPGNY</a></p>&mdash; Smartest Guy in the Zoom (@CBreezy_Edits) <a href="https://twitter.com/CBreezy_Edits/status/1616115678506885121?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 19, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here, The Green Freak gets a sack in a way many people thought he couldn’t! <br><br>Expecting a bull rush, tackle Abraham Lucas doesn’t get deep into his pass set. GK instinctually notices this and swipe Lucas’ hands away, plants on his left foot, and bends around the corner! <a href="https://t.co/KTtJOstNjh">pic.twitter.com/KTtJOstNjh</a></p>&mdash; Smartest Guy in the Zoom (@CBreezy_Edits) <a href="https://twitter.com/CBreezy_Edits/status/1616115853782663174?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 19, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Evaluating DL talent at the end of the first round is INCREDIBLY difficult and somehow, yet again, Veach has grabbed a star at a near perfect draft slot.</p>&mdash; Smartest Guy in the Zoom (@CBreezy_Edits) <a href="https://twitter.com/CBreezy_Edits/status/1616115866340294658?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 19, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

that reaction time on realizing the RT's pass set and into the explosion around the edge was niiiice

I really like how they rush; it looks choreographed, like they're not just individually trying to get to the QB any way they can, which can lead to breakdowns that allow the QB to take off. You watch that last clip, and it's like the play is designed to basically keep the QB in the pocket, even force him up so he can't just leak out to the left.

Good stuff.

Man, Houston was a major steal by the Lions.

Was Karlaftis starting yesterday? I don't think I heard his name called once.

Was really impressed with his progression in the seconds half of the season. I was hoping he'd beast in the playoffs.

Quiet game.

The coverage play wasn't really on him, but he was bad throughout against the run and had zero pressures. Not his best game.

Well the RT was allowed to get an early start every ****ing play.

Yup - Karlaftis had a playoff rookie game.

He was pretty much completely ineffective. But fortunately Danna and Dunlap played solid ball in his stead and the rotation opposite of Clark ended up being adequate.

Definitely his worst game in awhile.

The rookie season wall is a real thing.

I think it's nerves, honestly.

Because we didn't see George trending down - we saw him trending up through week 18. I don't think suddenly, after a week of rest, he cratered and ran out of juice.

I think he just got tight. Probably overthinking.

I mean think of how completely inept Chris Jones looked against Baltimore in that game he played at DE last season. Why? Because he was in his head. It wasn't because he couldn't physically dominate from DE - hell, he HAS physically dominated from DE multiple times this season.

He was just thinking rather than reacting and it snowballed on him.

I feel like that's what we got from GK yesterday. He was just playing tight; a little nervous. And it got in his head.

Dunlap, while he wasn't all over the scoresheet, was hugely critical yesterday as a steadying defensive presence out there. You could tell he was just going out there and chopping wood while George was trying to feel his way through some jitters.

George was quiet but we had a number of rookies who looked really good. Pacheco has found his groove. It looked like his best game. What a pick by Watson as well.

I kinda wanna re-watch that game and try to keep an eye on McDuffie.

Because I'm not convinced that this guy isn't a genuine star caliber player already. It looked like the Jags wanted ZERO part of that kid.

In baseball they'll tell you that the hitters will tell you how good a pitchers stuff is by the nature of their swings against him. Well in football I think a corner can largely be judged by the way an offense reacts to his presence.

Sure - Watson made a great play. But you know why I think McDuffie was better than him last night? Because McDuffie never HAD to make a play. The Jags simply weren't going to challenge him.

I think he really only had that one holding penalty...that I can remember.

That is the biggest testament to CB play. The best usually don’t have amazing numbers because QBs to to not look their way. When they do, those CBs usually make them pay for it.

And the holding penalty was declined, IIRC.

I think there was a catch on the other side of the field on that play, right?

Yeah, it was the one where the dude was wide ****ing open for like 20 something yards. Can't remember if that was a breakdown in coverage or what. I think Watson took the underneath route and the safety didn't come over far enough.

I think I remember both coverage players, biting on the underneath route, but can’t remember whose responsibility it was deep

Both the corner and safety jumped the short out receiver. I believe the corner was supposed to pass the deep guy to the safety but the safety jumped the short route.

This is true

I'm pretty sure that was Watson's fault, but it's all conjecture without really knowing the playcall. But, you know, that is going to happen with 5 rookies taking significant snaps.

Yeah it's possible, but it's playoff football too, he's up against better players, and in the case of the RT a guy who kept going early.

Awe the excuses continue, as I said he'll make his bones in the playoffs but the 1st game he fell flat. He's not Justin Smith or Tamba Hali

Eh, not a great game from him, for sure.

I only noticed him three times: once on the TD he was in coverage, him not keeping contain on that end around, and another time on a routine pass rush where he took himself about 10 yards too far upfield.

Hoped for more but can’t expect monster games from every rookie.

Jaylen Watson, McDuffie, Cook, and Josh Williams all played well enough as far as the young guys go.

LMAOROFLLMAOROFLLMAO You cried because we didn't draft a dumbass mother ****er that gave himself a neck injury and has an arrest warrant out on him during the playoffs because of his idiotic actions.

LOL, butthurt aren't you

Chenal had a few nice plays too