Nah. Just the normal crap that happens when a bunch of out of shape athletes start training camp...

Stats are so overrated. The object of the game isn't fantasy football, it is to win. Brady has said this several times throughout his career.

Chiefs playoff wins before Alex for here 0 in 21 years. With Alex 1 in 4. Yeah Alex is garbage.

Let me guess you are the type of dude who plays football and team is getting blown out but you have 10 catches for 100 yds so you are like 'Yeah, I'm the man!'

Lmao!

Dear sweet Jesus.

Thank goodness he is better than Brian Hoyer :rolleyes:

I'm going to end the conversation and bump the All Alex All The Time thread so this gets the **** out. Do join us over there. We've got cookies and juice.

How did you cram so much stupid into a single post?

It's actually 1-3, but that record sucks ass too.

I think he was counting this year as a given :hmmm:

I don't think it's a given that KC makes the playoffs.

Check.

AND mate.

Not all stats are ****ing fantasy-related. Stats have been around LONG before fantasy football was even a concept.

Why?

Because they provide a measurable with which one can use to weigh factors and to create a clearer picture of the athlete in question.
In any event, I can see that your knee-jerk response has pretty much buried your credibility on this topic, so I'll call it a day with this subject and move on.

I don't either and we have 6 prime time games I think we will be 3/3 split. The December game against the Chargers should be a gimme but no game is ever a gimme in the NFL.

Neither do I.

My first initial take on this season is the take I'm staying with:

Chiefs miss the playoffs this season.

And yes, a GREAT deal of that outcome will be DIRECTLY attributed to Smith.

Oakland has to regress as much as their 2016 pythagorean predicts that they should and KC can only regress by half as much as their 2016 pythagorean expects.

On top of that, the Broncos and Chargers have had to have gotten no better than last year.

I think 10-6 wins it for whichever team, and the entire AFC West will all look like a bunch of 7-9/9-7 type also-rans for much of the season regardless of the final win/loss total.

Last year the Fade was one dimensional, the Chiefs were good but not great defensively and mediocre offense and but kept coming up with ridiculously well timed special teams and turnover scores. The Chargers were injury snakebit and the Donks are defensively one dimensional. On paper, I don't think any of the AFC West has improved noticeably from last year.

I agree. Schedule is brutal especially for a team that can't score worth a damn.

However we are 11-1 in the division the past 2 years. Division games we should win. So that's 5 wins guaranteed. We can easily win 5 more. No worse than 10-6

Holy shit.

Where's the Tylenol?

I think even with Alex we win the division. Broncos and Chargers have new first time head coaches and Andy is JDR's father with the way he pulls down his pants every time they meet.

We've got the best roster+coaching staff IMO.

I just read that the Chiefs are guaranteed 5 wins in the division.

It might be time to take a break. This shit is simply getting out of control.

We're going to have to have some mods ban folks from this thread if it can't stay on task.

One of the deciding factors is two teams in KC's division have entirely new systems/coaches...the other has JDR.

The AFCW has a brutal schedule...not a good year to introduce/learn from scratch.

KC wins the division by 2 games...and the West doesn't have a WC team. I think the Bengals/Titans bounce into the mix....

Pragmatically, your breakdown makes all the sense in the world. Unfortunately, I'm just not feelin' it.

It's futile, Direck.

Really? They didn't have a problem winning 5 division games in 2015 or winning 6 division games in 2016. And we're suppose to regress?? Oh and all these division wins came as Smitty was the QB. He led one of the best come from behind wins in Chiefs history against the Chargers last year. Yes Smitty!!

Yeah I'm thinking the same, but it will attribute to Smith missing a bunch of games to injury. I think Alex is gonna go for broke and he's gonna get lit up.

Andy is likely going to shield PM from playing this year, so Bray would start if Alex goes down and I don't see Bray accomplishing shit.

Welp, you heard it here first: we'll win every division game ever.

LMAO

The schedule is a cakewalk and easily the best schedule I've seen in more than 10 years for the Chiefs.

You can change your username, Tuckdaddy, but you're still clueless.

I said we will win 5 division games this year!

This is ****ing reeruned.

All I've read for years by the dumb****s is that this team wins 11 games a year, IN SPITE of Alex Smith, yet injury to him causes the Chiefs to miss the playoffs?

ROFL

Get your story straight.

It's pretty straight, Dane.

Alex isn't going to tilt the needle one way or another. He manages the game to let the team do a lot of the lifting.

Bray sucks and will lose games. Pretty straight forward.

Our run defense gets fixed no one is beating us... I say that with confidence.

How do we know Bray sucks? He has yet to play in a game. People thought Dak wasn't that great coming out of college and look how that turned out.

I agree with you. We have DJ back and Logan now in. Our defense will stop teams. If Smitty just does what he does we will win. I'll even say the Chiefs beat the Pats first game

I don't know that we should be worried about the schedule.

The way this team has played under Reid, it's usually not the good teams you have to worry about. It's the trap game against a .500 team at home. We had the best strength of victory in the league for most of last season. This repeated idea that they can't beat good teams is completely overblown.

How do you know that he doesn't?

He wasn't drafted, he has only climbed the depth chart by virtue of the guy in front of him departing the team and they felt confident enough about him to quickly sign Nick Foles the moment the Rams released him.

He threw some deep passes that made the Never Alex clique fawn and not much of shit beyond that. He's going into Year 5; what makes you seem confident that he's going to win that #2 spot?

Yeah, and Daniel "sucked", too.

:facepalm:

Andy will find a way to scheme around any QB's deficiencies, just like has for more than a decade.

AJ Feeley led the Eagles to a 4-0 record when McNabb was injured.

I'll tell you why we know he sucks - because even Mr. Tomahawk isn't in here fluffing him up. That's when you know there's no hope for Bray.

Daniel was a shorter, fatter Alex and was pretty damn smart. Bray is a million dollar arm with a 5 cent brain.

He had all the talent in the world in college. Talent alone was a second round pick. His struggles were learning the playbook and his focus. I would have to think the Chiefs see something in Bray or else they wouldn't of kept him around for 5 years

AJ Feeley went 4-0 and was flipped for a 2nd round pick, then did nothing without Reid.

You severely underestimate Reid's ability to scheme for his players.

And you're speaking in massive hypotheticals.

LMAO

Tyler Bray was a beanpole that had a strong arm and he played in the SEC. That's pretty much it.

That was a great Houdini act by Andy, but I think Feeley got sent to Miami to play for ****ing Dave Wannstedt. I don't think any QB was really gonna be successful playing for that tool.

You're assuming Reid can do a Houdini with every QB he handles and sometimes it doesn't work out.

I've never been real crazy about Bray. He was always a pretty raw QB. Not a huge fan of his footwork... but to be fair Mahomes does some of the same things. That back foot not stepping into the throw thing usually gets you killed if your name is not Aaron Rodgers. Mahomes does it a lot.

The only difference is I trust Reid to ride him pretty hard to make smart decisions. To be honest if we had a different coach I'd actually be somewhat worried about drafting a guy like Mahomes. But he's got the tools and a coach who can try to get the best out of them, so he's got a chance.

And Clay wanted him in the 1st round.

Regardless, this is his fifth year with the Chiefs.

He's not a 21 year old kid anymore.

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-dr...couting-report

He was compared to a less athletic version of Matthew Stafford coming out of college. Imagine our offense with Stafford

What a stupid article that was. He's not like Stafford in a lot of ways.

Talent wise yes. Maturity and mental aspect of the game, no.

Come on man. Stafford was one of the best prospects in a decade. The #1 pick in the draft. Bray wasn't even drafted. Bray was wildly inconsistent in college, had poor footwork and wasn't anywhere near Stafford. The only thing they had in common was a huge arm. But Stafford's arm is pretty great.

What's this thread about again??

ROFL

No shit. Good god, I don't remember penbrook ever being on such a weird tangent.
Maybe I just wasn't paying attention all this time.

No, not even that.

To roll back a little bit, sure it's a hypothetical, but Alex has missed time over a lot of his seasons. It's not really an extreme reach to ponder if he's going to miss some action this season.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/...ray?id=2540173

This is from NFL.com

Comparison is Jay Cutler

Literally answered your own question in the next sentence. THE NEXT SENTENCE.

Four years ago, you might have compared your girlfriend to Allison Brie. Four years later, you realize she's just baked brie.

This might be the worst chiefs forum on the net
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You're a ****ing idiot.

I hear Nick Athan's message board is open.

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You mean NFL.com are idiots. They are the ones comparing him

Maybe Smitty is felling the pressure and knows he has to perform

Terez A. Paylor @TerezPaylor
Ty Hill does it again. Alex uncorks a bomb down the left sideline that Hill runs up under for a big gain. Got behind Nelson and Murray

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Wow Kareem Hunt getting more and more 1st team reps and Spiller is with the 2's today.

We got a good one with Hunt. I think he will be our biggest impact rookie this year.

His biggest weakness is pass blocking. Once he gets that down he will be a 3 down back

Matt Derrick @mattderrick
Finished period with offense needing FG to win. Smith scores, Bray sets up long FG, Mahomes three and out.

Pete Sweeney @pgsween
Starting to think Kareem Hunt could potentially work himself into RB1 this preseason. Increasing work with first team as time goes on.

Spiller will make the team. They will probably keep all 4 RBs plus Sherman

LMAO yet Mahomes is a first ballot Hall of Famer

Arrowhead Pride is an abomination

They get recognition on NFL Network though

How many RBs did we break camp with last year? I know we had Charles, West, and Ware, but was Davis on the team at the end of camp or did we get him back later?

Terez A. Paylor @TerezPaylor
There's that man again - Ty Hill with another deep ball catch, this time on a post route, for a TD behind Steve Nelson. Throw from Bray

Hill is gonna have a huge year!!

Good. West/Ware are pretty pedestrian RB's.

Some young guys are apparently having good camps. Gonna hold judgement til games but good to hear none the less.

Really hope Chris Jones comes off pup soon.

If they can get competent play from one of the other guys so he doesn't wear down, I think Ware could put up 1500 total yards

He's good

I think Ware is an alright RB. West IMO doesn't belong in the league.

Can we give him a full preseason before $#itting all over him?...

I'm not a big west fan but he was banged up last year so we'll see how it goes in the preseason.

He's already banged up again so not off to a good start