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'Hamas' Jenkins 01-11-2010 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6436200)
And what the **** does any of that have to do with Piolo hiring Crennel and Weis here?

Not a god damned thing. You just want something to bitch about.

Actually it does. All the aforementioned people imported all of their good old boys else where and failed.

It's not my fault you're too ****ing dumb to learn anything from history.

Marcellus 01-11-2010 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6436175)
>bad=good.

You are seriously trying to say Romeo and Charlie aren't goood coordinators?

That's laughable.

InChiefsHeaven 01-11-2010 09:39 PM

People bitch about the Chiefs not going out and getting top tier talent...then we get 2 Coordinators with 3 fuggin' rings each and THAT'S not good enough.

...some Chiefs fans are pissing me off as much as the Chiefs do...

chiefzilla1501 01-11-2010 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6436156)
This is one of the biggest myths in NFL history.

If you really think there was that much of a difference in spending before FA, you're insane.

Furthermore, large market teams can manipulate the cap just as much now as they could then.

All you have to do now is fork out bonus money.

It's not a myth. The 49ers had a shitload of money invested on offense in guys like Steve Young, Harris Barton, Jerry Rice, and Ricky Watters. They had a poor defense and Policy decided to spend all their money on Tim McDonald, Ken Norton, Deion Sanders, Gary Plummer. The NFL was ruled by the two biggest spenders for years: the Cowboys and the 49ers. The Patriots and Colts made their living in the post-cap era in keeping expensive foundational players, but being very liberal about keeping a lot of players on the cheap. The Cowboys and 49ers were built purely by stacking their roster with talent all across the board.

Those teams built a heavy roster and maintained it. It's not like the post-cap era, where most teams peaked and then underwent a brief crash as their cap started to bust.

It's an entirely, entirely different game. Few teams in recent days have won through stocking the cupboard with free agents, and most teams can only afford to keep so many second-contract players.

dirk digler 01-11-2010 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6436199)
Wait, so you mean in the first year of the cap it was 34 million and now it has quadrupled in 15 years? And this is restraining spending?

The cap has always been a red herring.

Teams didn't spend exorbitant amounts before the cap, and the teams that spend a lot now do so because they fork over bonus money, which only counts 1/6th against the cap.

Dirk, that proves my point, it doesn't refute it.

Nevermind I misunderstood your point.

BIG K 01-11-2010 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6436175)
>bad=good.

Actually, > than bad = greater than bad, or better than bad, that is all..Just saying..

Marcellus 01-11-2010 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6436205)
Actually it does. All the aforementioned people imported all of their good old boys else where and failed.

It's not my fault you're too ****ing dumb to learn anything from history.

That's your argument? Didn't work for them then so it can't work now. Awsome.

TheGuardian 01-11-2010 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6436205)
Actually it does. All the aforementioned people imported all of their good old boys else where and failed.

It's not my fault you're too ****ing dumb to learn anything from history.

The thing you haven't faced one time here, is that in all of those scenarios shit just wasn't the same. No matter how much you want to jump around and have a mini melt down, it wasn't.

Hey wanna tell me about who was Tom Coughlins offensive coordinator in Jax from 95 to 96 and where that guy might be at now?

We can do this all day from the winning side too if you want to.

Marcellus 01-11-2010 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell (Post 6436208)
People bitch about the Chiefs not going out and getting top tier talent...then we get 2 Coordinators with 3 fuggin' rings each and THAT'S not good enough.

...some Chiefs fans are pissing me off as much as the Chiefs do...

Yup. This place has gone full reerun. People are starting to bitch simply for the point of bitching.

Micjones 01-11-2010 09:46 PM

The Crennel hiring looks to be imminent and let me guess...
Members of 4H are bitching about it? Did I get that about right?

Okay, as you were boys.

ForeverChiefs58 01-11-2010 09:49 PM

The Chiefs just got better! So far 2010 the team has shown improvment on the field and with the coaching staff! Hip hip horray!

:clap::clap::holdman::rockon:PBJ:toast:

Bill Lundberg 01-11-2010 09:51 PM

Without reading through all of the bickering back and forth, I think the thing we fans need to keep in perspective is that Coaches can only do so much. It comes down to the players on the field. Until we upgrade our talent it's foolish to expect a coach to make a big difference.

chiefzilla1501 01-11-2010 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6436205)
Actually it does. All the aforementioned people imported all of their good old boys else where and failed.

It's not my fault you're too ****ing dumb to learn anything from history.

And what about the long history of coordinators like Gregg Williams, Mike Nolan, Dick Lebeau, Norv Turner, Wade Phillips that have been outstanding across systems. Or the long-tenured coordinators like (formerly) Monte Kiffin and Jim Johnson who have built outstanding defenses across time.

I don't understand the examples you bring up. It's not like Carmen Policy tried to reinvent the 49ers with the Browns. Far from it. And Jimmy Johnson is a coach who maybe, just maybe, benefitted off of having the best offensive line in the history of football to pave the way for three HOFers (Irvin, Emmitt, and Aikman). Those are two select examples. And they're not even real good ones. They're examples of non-coordinators trying to build an outstanding team in the post-cap era.

The argument doesn't apply to coordinators.

DeezNutz 01-11-2010 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Lundberg (Post 6436248)
Without reading through all of the bickering back and forth, I think the thing we fans need to keep in perspective is that Coaches can only do so much. It comes down to the players on the field. Until we upgrade our talent it's foolish to expect a coach to make a big difference.

Coaching alone will win us an additional 3-4 games next year. /last spring/

Micjones 01-11-2010 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Lundberg (Post 6436248)
Without reading through all of the bickering back and forth, I think the thing we fans need to keep in perspective is that Coaches can only do so much. It comes down to the players on the field. Until we upgrade our talent it's foolish to expect a coach to make a big difference.

Better playcalling would've helped this team this year, but I tend to agree.
The Chiefs won't stop with the addition of these two gents.
There will be player upgrades as well.


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