Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 18042290)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Several teams agree: Josh Simmons had best tape of any OT last year. And they aren&#39;t very concerned with recovery on the torn patella tendon. More of the concern is maturity/character. But he&#39;s going to the ideal, veteran-laden place.</p>&mdash; Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1915612949214908901?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 25, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 18042278)

Interesting...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Asked about the tackle rotation, head coach Andy Reid reiterates what he has said in the past: best five. Mentions that Jaylon Moore can also play right tackle. Truly sounds like the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> will have a three-way battle (Josh Simmons, Jawaan Taylor, Moore) for two spots.</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1915616189977419954?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 25, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18042175)

There are people really writing off a 22 year old coming back from an injury?

Younger people recover better. Give it a shot.

The board ****ing sucked. Like who did you want?

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18042175)

There are people really writing off a 22 year old coming back from an injury?

Younger people recover better. Give it a shot.

The board ****ing sucked. Like who did you want?

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 18042278)

Interesting...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Asked about the tackle rotation, head coach Andy Reid reiterates what he has said in the past: best five. Mentions that Jaylon Moore can also play right tackle. Truly sounds like the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> will have a three-way battle (Josh Simmons, Jawaan Taylor, Moore) for two spots.</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1915616189977419954?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 25, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by Bump (Post 18042288)

After the disaster of last season Veach just had to take a swing and he's knows it's a dice roll and it is what it is.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 18042169)

Reminder from kccrow:



Let's talk about the data set I shared in March regarding Patellar injuries in the NFL, since not many care to read. It's here: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/article...rmance%20level
31/56 (55%) players returned to the NFL from a patellar injury (RTP).
Of those, 13/50 (26%) returned to play as many games post-injury as they had pre-injury (RTP Games).
Only 8/50 (16%) returned to start as many games post-injury as they had pre-injury (RTP Starts).
The 6 (11%) in the remainder, despite returning to the NFL, never saw another snap.
Of the 50 that saw snaps, only 12 (24%) returned to prior PFF level of performance at any point (RTP Performance)
Among those 12, 7 (14%) returned to prior performance after 1 year and 5 (10%) after 2 years.
OL specifically was 6/17 (35%) RTP, 1/16 (6%) RTP Games, 1/16 (6%) RTP Starts, and 2/16 (13%) RTP Performance with 1 RTPP (6%) after 1 year and 1 (6%) after 2 years.

We are not talking about great odds here people. The media and agents can cook this up howevery they want to cook it. Its a blood-flow injury, so it's going to heal up just fine. Healing up doesn't mean he's ever going to be able to play the same. The elasticity of that tendon is forever affected. His ability to generate power and torque from his quads to the ground is forever affected.

You can look deeper at the stats if you want. Purely looking at OL, he has a 13% chance of ever returning to play at his prior level of performance (this favors Simmons over RTP Starts or RTP Games). Data says 83% of NFL first-round picks on the offensive line hit. So, chances are you'll play somewhere on the OL. 59% actually hit at OT, so a healthy portion of guys drafted to be OTs end up playing some other position.

So if he has a 13% shot of returning to his prior form and a 59% chance of playing OT, then he falls somewhere in the neighborhood of an 8% chance he'll make it as an OT. He has about an 11% chance of ever being anything on the OL.

Is that what you want from your 1st round pick, folks? I don't. In fact, that screams 7th rounder or UDFA. That doesn't even scream 2nd or 3rd rounder.

I'd be willing to take a shot in the dark in round 3. I mean, there is that remote potential that he ends up defying all odds. It's not due to his youth because less experienced, and younger players actually have worse odds in the study. It's merely one of those "so you're telling me there's a chance" situations.

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 18042290)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Several teams agree: Josh Simmons had best tape of any OT last year. And they aren&#39;t very concerned with recovery on the torn patella tendon. More of the concern is maturity/character. But he&#39;s going to the ideal, veteran-laden place.</p>&mdash; Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1915612949214908901?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 25, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by Semichief (Post 18042275)

I absolutely did not want this pick.

That said, the Chiefs HAVE to figure this position out. It’s costing us titles. A player of Simmons’ talent will never fall this low again. Is it a risk? Yes - 10 other teams would have taken him if they thought he was a sure thing. But continuing the dynasty will involve some risks and this is one the team was willing to take. So in that sense, I understand it and love it. If he’s healthy, it’s a home run and that’s a huge win from the 31st slot plus a 5th rounder.

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 18042282)

What offensive tackle has Veach drafted that was any good?

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 18042189)

In Veach We Trust

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 18042308)

Should have taken the swing for the closest thing to a proven commodity in terms of available LT’s this offseason and traded for Tunsil.

The left side of the line looks like a lot of projection at this point.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18042317)

We aren’t trusting Veach with this one. We’re trusting Burkholder

Originally Posted by Monticore (Post 18042241)

You said the same about Kelces injury , I might be mistaken

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 18042309)

Does this link work for anyone else? It doesn't for me.

Is there any available source data for these stats?

Originally Posted by JohnnyV13 (Post 18042316)

2022 study on pubmed said 18 of 24 NFL players with torn patellar tendons have come back to play in the NFL. The average games played is 45.5. The range is 1 to 142.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21813442/

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18042318)

Chiefs just took a swing on a kid who could be elite, blue chip player @ 32 at the most valuable position besides QB which largely led to both our SB losses.

How can one be mad?

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18042322)

The injury data stuff, I just…. Meh.

This isn’t a common injury like an ACL. There’s what, a couple guys each year MAX who suffer it that we’ve heard of?

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 18042306)

Taylor absolutely should have to fight for his spot. If Simmons and Moore outplay him, sit Taylor's overpaid ass and boot him next year.

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18042319)

@Delano, you're a ****ing moron. Be a cheerleader all you want. I'm not crying because I didn't get "My guy," I supported taking half a dozen other guys there. I didn't want THIS guy. THIS guy has a 10% chance of ever doing anything of note in the NFL. We just took THAT chance in the FIRST ROUND.

I don't hope he fails. I have to hope he doesn't fail. The odds are stacked against it HEAVILY. What part of that does your tiny brain not understand? We're not talking about maybes. We're talking about ACTUAL NFL DATA on the subject. We're talking about 2 OL in the last 23 ****ing years have EVER come back to be players at at least their same skill level out of 17 that had the injury.

This is not hard shit to understand. The Chiefs took a MASSIVE, EPIC, HUGE, ENORMOUS, INSERT YOUR FAVORITE VERB HERE, gamble on NEED.

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 18042321)

So Rashee Rice comeback player of the year, Josh Simmons Rookie of the Year and Mack Lee Hill Award Winner?

Originally Posted by Balto (Post 18042272)

Wow calm down. Give me an actual tackle comparison.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18042318)

Chiefs just took a swing on a kid who could be elite, blue chip player @ 32 at the most valuable position besides QB which largely led to both our SB losses.

How can one be mad?

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18042318)

Chiefs just took a swing on a kid who could be elite, blue chip player @ 32 at the most valuable position besides QB which largely led to both our SB losses.

How can one be mad?

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 18042248)

NBA players have returned with this injury and they require far more athleticism than NFL players.

Can’t wait to hear the press conferences.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18042341)

That succeeded? None. There have been none. Anywhere.

That failed? As a Chief? In the last half decade?

Lucas Niang.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18042318)

Chiefs just took a swing on a kid who could be elite, blue chip player @ 32 at the most valuable position besides QB which largely led to both our SB losses.

How can one be mad?

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 18042338)

So what's his character issue? Did nobody go to his birthday party? Is he going to grow up to be Foxtail bundle of sticks part 2 and take less money to leave KC because he thought he could outsmart us by hiring a n00b agent?

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18042319)

@Delano, you're a ****ing moron. Be a cheerleader all you want. I'm not crying because I didn't get "My guy," I supported taking half a dozen other guys there. I didn't want THIS guy. THIS guy has a 10% chance of ever doing anything of note in the NFL. We just took THAT chance in the FIRST ROUND.

I don't hope he fails. I have to hope he doesn't fail. The odds are stacked against it HEAVILY. What part of that does your tiny brain not understand? We're not talking about maybes. We're talking about ACTUAL NFL DATA on the subject. We're talking about 2 OL in the last 23 ****ing years have EVER come back to be players at at least their same skill level out of 17 that had the injury.

This is not hard shit to understand. The Chiefs took a MASSIVE, EPIC, HUGE, ENORMOUS, INSERT YOUR FAVORITE VERB HERE, gamble on NEED.

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 18042312)

I have no idea how this is going to work out, but FFS, stop pretending like you have some sort of inside track on knowing the medical future for this kid. It’s both pathetic and laughable. The ****ing wailing is over the top…

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18042319)

@Delano, you're a ****ing moron. Be a cheerleader all you want. I'm not crying because I didn't get "My guy," I supported taking half a dozen other guys there. I didn't want THIS guy. THIS guy has a 10% chance of ever doing anything of note in the NFL. We just took THAT chance in the FIRST ROUND.

I don't hope he fails. I have to hope he doesn't fail. The odds are stacked against it HEAVILY. What part of that does your tiny brain not understand? We're not talking about maybes. We're talking about ACTUAL NFL DATA on the subject. We're talking about 2 OL in the last 23 ****ing years have EVER come back to be players at at least their same skill level out of 17 that had the injury.

This is not hard shit to understand. The Chiefs took a MASSIVE, EPIC, HUGE, ENORMOUS, INSERT YOUR FAVORITE VERB HERE, gamble on NEED.

Originally Posted by Otter (Post 18042361)

Adjective :D

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18042341)

That succeeded? None. There have been none. Anywhere.

That failed? As a Chief? In the last half decade?

Lucas Niang.

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18042353)

Jack Conklin is the one that does come to mind.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18042341)

That succeeded? None. There have been none. Anywhere.

That failed? As a Chief? In the last half decade?

Lucas Niang.

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 18042362)

KC Roaf wasn't as good as NO Roaf but he was still pretty ****in' good.

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18042353)

Jack Conklin is the one that does come to mind.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 18042356)

Some weird Twitter rumor about how they gave him a playbook with a $100
Bill in it and he didn’t even know it was there

Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 18042368)

All the haters of this pick can fist bump your testicles with that rage…..and next year we can discuss if the Chiefs first round pick in 2026, pick 32….will be able to recover from your crushed nuggets.

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18042353)

Jack Conklin is the one that does come to mind.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 18042355)

Because one can look at 20 years of historical data on this and get to the realization that there is, at best, a 20 percent chance this guy returns to the same level of athletic performance at this injury.

It's not just a "calculated risk" ... it's a "close your eyes, plug your eyes, hope up and down, saying "not listening not listening not listening"" risk.

Originally Posted by TRR (Post 18042381)

2026 will be the first chance Simmons has at playing a down in the NFL so we shall see. He won’t play one meaningful snap next season.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 18042355)

Because one can look at 20 years of historical data on this and get to the realization that there is, at best, a 20 percent chance this guy returns to the same level of athletic performance after this injury.

It's not just a "calculated risk" ... it's a "close your eyes, plug your eyes, hop up and down, saying "not listening not listening not listening"" risk.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 18042376)

And his other knee exploded a year later.

Originally Posted by louie aguiar (Post 18042378)

They clearly did a ton of work on the knee and felt comfortable enough to roll the dice - gotta trust Veach and Burkholder

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs GM Brett Veach: &quot;We did a ton of work on Josh. We got a chance to meet Josh at the formal at the combine. Brought him in for the 30 visit and did some extra work on the knee. We did a zoom with him just yesterday. . . When he&#39;s healthy and the tape he had before the…</p>&mdash; Charles Goldman (@goldmctNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/goldmctNFL/status/1915620742097412334?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 25, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 18042377)

Can't embed because X is ****ing reeruned, but Josh Simmons said the Chiefs were by far the most interested in him and did the most work with him. So this was probably our man all along.

Originally Posted by Balto (Post 18042374)

Haha oh ya…Lucas Niang is on the same talent level as Simmons? Your saying Lucas Niang had this injury and didn’t come back and play like a starting left tackle? Guess what…..he never was a starting level tackle!!!!!!

Give me another player. Or is there not one?

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 18042379)

Cool. A rebooted version of the Jamarcus Russell story.

Yeah, I'm gonna call BS on those rumors if that's what people are reporting.

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 18042377)

Can't embed because X is ****ing reeruned, but Josh Simmons said the Chiefs were by far the most interested in him and did the most work with him. So this was probably our man all along.