CP3 by a tiny bit

It makes no sense to me that Duncan isn’t mentioned in the same conversations. Maybe he wasn’t as dominant of a scorer.

I think it was the 01 all-star game, Tim Duncan dominated the game with rebounding, both offensive and defensive and shot blocking.

He altered the game without scoring a point in that stretch.

He’s the greatest 4 man in NBA history.

I can make arguments for either. I wish Stockton would have tried to take over more often. He lived and died with Malone. Malone struggled finishing games the two years they played the Bulls in the championship.

If Jokic plays at/near this level for another 4-5 years, he’s gonna have an argument to be one of the top 5 players of all time. Not sure if anyone is ready for that conversation yet though.

To be fair no one is going to out-finish Jordan in the 90s

Probably not, but Malone choked. When Stockton stepped up to get the Jazz to the championship.

I loved those Jazz teams.

Still have my road and home Stockton jerseys

Where do ya’ll stand on the NBA Cup? Seems dumb to me. An in season tournament. I understand the desire to make the season more exciting, but do fans give a damn? Hell, do the players?

No

Jokic completely takes over down the stretch to (likely) beat the Warriors again

Depends who wins it.

Kerr livid, that’s a shame

MJ never did

And he never will, a good point

52 year old Shaq can still dunk better than Rudy Gobert

I love it. Breaks up the monotony of the regular season. Something fun for the NBA and fans while football is on.

Lets go Orlando!


I doubt they win it though.

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LMAO Damn. Stunlocked him so bad he didn't even say rings

Chuck's line about Victor being the only skinny person in San Antonio had me in stitches.

He has one of the quickest wits of anyone on TV.

Level of athlete? Who are the 2 best guys in the league?

Heat blowing out the Lakers by 40 and all the scrubs are in with 10 minutes left except LeBron. He is in stat pad mode. Finally checked out with 8 minutes left.

Not sure JJ is better than Ham

Im not so sure about that. There are alot of Euros now.

True, but there aren't a ton of Kurt Rambis or Frank Brickowski-types any more. And as athletic as he was, there really aren't any Anthony Masons, either. The NBA is better and that's a great thing.

Who are more athletic than 99% of those who played 40 years ago, yes.

LeBron went 29-5-8 on 12/18 shooting (so much for being "absolutely washed").

Any comment from you on AD completely no showing that game to a tune of 8 points? It's pretty clear if he doesn't play like a MVP-level player on a nightly basis (which he is fully capable of) that the Lakers aren't a playoff team. No coach is gonna ever make that guy try regularly, though, unfortunately.

Jokic and Luca types are not athletic. They are skilled.

Also contrary to popular belief you don't have to be that athletic in the NBA except if you are a guard.

Nonsense. Are you saying you can only be a great athlete if you can jump super high?

Yes. Quick twitch. They are not fast. They are not quick. They do not jump. They are skilled. Skilled can get you really far when you are tall. Every single DB in the NFL is waaaay more athletic than 98% of NBA players that are forwards and centers.

For the longest time tall and big kids in the states are were not encouraged to become skilled.

If you don't think Jokic is "quick twitch," you probably need to watch him a bit more often.

He absolutely is NOT quick twitch. I watch him all the time and want to throw shit at my TV. He is ruining the NBA.

Patrick Mahomes would destroy him at every single athletic test imaginable.

Next you'll tell me Novak Djokovic isn't a great athlete either. He can't jump either, right?

I mean for tennis and white people, sure.

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The point was that there is more to being an all-time elite athlete than being able to jump high.

When did I say it was only about jumping high?

AD has been in the NBA for 8 years and he is the same guy he always has been. He is not going to give a MVP level performance every game, he hasn't ever done that.

I said last year they should have blown it up and traded AD and Lebron as they aren't winning shit without adding a couple of pieces. AD isn't going to dominate every night and Lebron is out there stat padding and playing no defense. Blow it up.

JJ is better than Ham. Wait until December 15. That's when players who signed as free agents become trade-eligible. Pelinka will surely trade for a good rebounder to help out AD.

LeBron hasn't played defense for years outside of the playoffs, but what does "stat padding" even mean in this context? He shouldn't be being asked to post 30 point triple doubles every game for that team to win at this stage of his career and it's not his fault that prime AD doesn't give a shit for half the games.

I'd love to see LeBron go be a role guy on a contender but that ship sailed years ago when he took full control of the Lakers organization to the point where he could push his son into a NBA roster spot.

Like last night, down 30-40 pts, all the scrubs are in on both sides and he is still out there chucking shots etc. like wtf

As you said he isn't playing defense. Here he is not defending and staying in so he get his 10 point to keep his streak alive. stat padding lol

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Chucking shots? He went 12/18 last night? LMAO

Literally the only player on the team to even show up at all.

And LeBron not playing defense is nothing new, he's 40 years old in year 22 and still takes on a massive offensive load for that team. What do you want him to do? Just completely take the nights off when AD decides he doesn't have it in him to try at all?

Last season, AD and LeBron were great. AD's PER (player efficiency rating) was #6 in the NBA, and LeBron was at #7. This season, AD is at #4, but LeBron is all the way down to #36. He will move up eventually.

They are all vultures seizing on a bad week for LeBron after over two decades of being a top 10 player in the NBA. Despicable quite honestly.

He was -28 last night and is -132 for the season. I am not trying to pile on I was just shocked down 40 while the rest of the backups were playing he was out there throwing up shots.

I do appreciate him saying he is going to try to play 82 games. I know people think that is dumb but if you buy a Lakers ticket you know he is going to show up and play unlike alot of the younger players. Load management and the chucking of 3 pointers has killed the NBA interest.

So you're not happy with him playing minutes and making shots now? I'm sure the (high) paying audience in Miami was happy that the GOAT was out there as long as he was even in a blowout.

I was certainly glad to see him play in Toronto this year. It had been a few years since the last time he played there and the Lakers/Raptors game is one of the few ones I don't sell off at the beginning of the season on the chance that he'll play.

And blame your Steph Warriors for changing that. The Celtics have now taken it to complete extremes analytically and the rest of the league has or will follow them.

Jokic is "ruining the NBA"? I'm sure that 90% of NBA fans would disagree with that comment.

He is 40 and needs to sit when getting blown out instead of trying to stat pad with the backups in. It would be like Mahomes playing while up 30 and risking injury. It is dumb.

I will have to see if I can find that tweet from somebody that showed during the prime GS run they would be near the bottom of the league in 3pts attempts this season. Steph is 1 of 1 but every team now thinks they can shoot like him.

They don’t have to shoot like him to make it worth it. The Daryl Moreys of the world followed the Warriors’ example and realized taking as many threes as possible was the best analytic strategy.

Until the NBA steps in and makes 3PTers more difficult, this is the sport we’ve got.

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LeBron has more haters than any superstar in recent memory. I don't get it.

Maybe, just maybe, it has something to do with LeBron. Shocking, I know.

Who would you guys take in their prime:

Shaq or Jabbar

Same reason Mahomes has a ton of haters too, particularly from all of those who supported Brady's false claim for GOAT.

Kareem.

LeBron raining 3s tonight in Atlanta. I thought he couldn't shoot anymore?

It is true, he can be arrogant at times. But still, a top-five player of all-time. And last season, even at age 39, he was still a top-15 player.

He never could. The greatest bball players ever weren't shooters.

Curry is not "one of one". After 17 games, he is #42 in 3PT%

Who is the NFL GOAT?

Mahomes

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Draymond with an NFL tackle on Sengun that is somehow not a flagrant foul. Disgusting.

Always a good day when the Warriors lose.

Maybe you haven't been paying attention. Last season, his 3pt% was 41. In his most recent game (12/06/2024), against the Hawks: a 39-point triple-double.

WTF is going on?

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Could be the company he keeps

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LePedo down bad

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Like father like son.

The Grizzlies are starting to look really good. Will be interesting to see if they try to trade some of their depth for a key rotation C or if they’ll rely on Jackson and Edey when they return. Glad to see them healthy and back towards the top of the league again, though! Jaren and Santi have been playing out of their minds so far this season and Ja will always be Ja!

I don't know why it is a gotcha moment for anyone that ever went to a Diddy party.

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As I've been saying for a few years now, they'll need to either make threes harder (either by taking away corner threes or extending the 3PT line) or start devaluing them some other way. Analytics have taken over the NBA now and every team plays exactly the same way with Boston effectively perfecting the strategy.

I still don't know whether the NBA has the willingness to actually make the same kind of game changes that MLB has (Silver is a gutless commissioner and always has been) but they need to do it.

The Utah Jazz made 22 threes at a 57% clip and lost by 8. This would blow Bill Selfs mind.

I don’t remember who but several years ago one of the analysts had an idea to “save the NBA” by eliminating the corner 3. Basically the 3 point arc wouldn’t bend and head to the baseline. It would just extend on its path to the sideline.

The 3 becomes much easier to defend and bigs would dominate more as it would be harder to pull them away from the basket.

There you go. There's the counter example. The NBA doesn't need to "fix" anything if lighting it up from 3 results in a comfortable loss.

Is THAT what people want? I thought part of the allure of Curry-esque shooters was the "every man" element.

I think I would. I enjoyed watching Shaq put people through the hoop, Akeem's assortment of post moves and Jordan on the block was pure poetry. It beats a 7'4 guy chucking up 3s.

Probably because the opposing team shot threes at a massive volume and Utah plays no defense, yes. Every game is literally the same these days.