I stand where I did before. I truly hope Veach works out a nice deal to extend Watson at a fair but workable price.

He’s the most valuable player not named Trent McDuffie from the 2022 draft class.

What a ****ing 7th round that was, huh?

Even Johnson is a good value there. He’s been asked to do too much, but a guy who sticks on the roster and can play STs is still a good pick that late.

But Pacheco and Watson, man. Just incredible picks.

But he didn’t come back though.

Well he was cleared to come back.

Pretty remarkable

All this shows is we are going to have to invest higher draft picks into the CB position.

From one of the best pass defenses to one of the worst

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kansas City Chiefs pass defense DVOA<br><br>Weeks 1-7: -16.9% (4th)<br>Weeks 8-13: +35.9% (29th)</p>&mdash; Aaron Schatz 🏈 (@ASchatzNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/ASchatzNFL/status/1864418007797162290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 4, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is truly stunning imo.

The crazy thing is they acted like they had NO ****ING CLUE who CB2 was until the middle of the first real game this year.

Josh Williams played really well. He should have gotten a shot to begin with. Williams was targeted 3 times and allowed 0 catches. He was the best CB on Friday if Pro Football Reference's advanced defensive stats are correct.

On the season, Josh Williams has played 146 coverage snaps. He’s been targeted 13 times and has only allowed 7 receptions totaling 75 yards and a TD. I’m not entirely sure where the narrative that he hasn’t played well has come from.

Last year, he played 310 coverage snaps and was targeted 29 times snd allowed 12 receptions for 103 yards and 2 touchdowns.

Josh Williams = Brandon Carr.

Give him his props.

He was highest for coverage on PFF I believe as well. I was saying to BossChief I think he was good last year, poor in his limited use this year. But agree he was better against the Raiders and needs to be given snaps. I'd honestly still use Nazeeh on the outside a bit to allow McDuffie more time in the slot.

Johnson's gettiny bullied but so is Connor playing SCB. Think we need it limited to 1 liability at this point even is Nazeeh keeps getting picked on.

If you actually look at the supposed "td" he allowed it was against the Bengals where Burrow had ample time to throw inside the ten yard line and Joshua wasn't the only defender in that area. So I don't put that on him tbh.

He's never really had a long run of games to fully establish himself so I think this is a great chance infront of him now. He has speed, is tall and has great length for a CB. I really think he could play at Watson's level eventually. I was looking at the snap counts from the last AFC and Superbowl games and both him and Jaylen literally played the same amount of snaps which was around 21 snaps in both games. So he's been on the field in those huge games and has that experience to lean on.

Can't trust Johnson on the outside anymore as teams are relentlessly targeting him. Better off trying him in the slot a little bit to see what he can do there.

Never understood what he did to get in the doghouse. He played very well at the end of last year. I know we basically have lost all reason to ever question these guys, but this one just never made sense. You’re trying so hard to make Johnson work even when you have a proven commodity sitting on the bench.

As soon as he came in, the pass defense got better. That’s not a coincidence.

wait people thought watson wasnt gonna come back? dude’s def gonna be playing in playoff games, i’ll eat my lunch if he doesn’t

yes we have to invest high picks in CBs like we did with Watson and Sneed

The first couple games Watson was out Williams was struggling with penalties on special teams and then on defense. If my memory serves me correctly he had 1 game where he was flagged on special teams, flagged another 2 times on defense very quickly.

I do recall that, but I feel like he earned a little more grace based on last year’s performance. He played huge for us in the postseason, and I expect to see that again now that he’s back in.

I have to think its an attitude problem or a film watching issue. Two off-seasons ago they kept saying someone needs to step up. Then this year they kept saying they didn't know who it was going to be. Maybe he just loafs in practice and study. Because on the field he ****s up some assignments but he's pretty damn good.

They've shown they can draft and develop mid and later round CB's and DB's. Now, they won't all hit, but I wouldn't go running to draft guys high just because of injuries and such.

Keep drafting the best players you can and go from there.

I thought we have found our corner to let Sneed walk. I assumed the coaches were happy with him. It looked to me that he was a starting corner in the NFL. Maybe he slacked off in the off season, didn't study like spags wanted, wherever happened is in the past, he's our best corner to step in as a starter.

Nonsense. It was Watson the whole time.

Joshua Williams was the #3 , he just struggled initially.

Just because you didn't know doesn't mean they didn't know.

Yeah, I’m not sure what he did to piss them off, but they’re going to have to just swallow it and leave him in there at this point. He’s a proven commodity and Johnson has proven he does not belong on the field right now. Even if they like his potential more, it can wait until next year. We have a 3-peat to complete.

Josh Williams basically has a skillset where if you can mix him in as CB 3 he has a lot of value because he's good if you can keep him playing to his strengths. When he goes to CB 2 you can't protect him as much so some of his flaws get exposed.

The difference in a blah defense a top 10 defense and a top 5 defense for this team is literally quality CBs.

The biggest issue is throwing the amount of resources you need to in order to build a top 5 defense at the problem.

If we can get Mcduffue, Watson and Williams on the field and get that bum Conner off we’ll be in good shape

Not really. Get some DB’s and pass rushers. LB’s are not expensive and good safeties have been cheaper than ever.

IMO Conner is not a bum. He is just being asked to do things he is not capable of.

Ok, that’s fair.

Get him out of the slot

You can't have a weakness to have a top 5 elite defense. 11 (really 14 or so) good players all on the same page all the time.

In the end, it's better to set your sights on a top 12ish defense that can get stops and build your offense. It's easier to keep an offense together and translate it from year to year vs a defense.

Re: Watson coming back … Mrs. Idaho had a compound fracture in the same area last year (lower leg/ankle area) and was non-weight-bearing on it for 16 weeks.

Once she was cleared for activity, she was back to 100 percent within a month. Able to run and jump again.

And she was 40, not an elite athlete, and did not have access to full professional care and rehab. With a more severe injury.

All that to say… it wouldn’t be surprising to me if Watson is at full strength by January.

Can she play CB though?

BWillie is so reeruned that he doesn't understand that there can be competition at a position while coaches have a favorite or good idea of who the starter is.

Looking back and I'm so confused by wtf Spags was thinking. Williams played 100% of the snaps against the Bucs and allowed 1 catch on 3 targets for 9 yards. He then played 6 snaps the next week, then 0 snaps the next 2 weeks.

Wtf?

It was utter madness. I was stunned when I saw Johnson taking 90 and 100% of the snaps in multiple games and Williams getting nothing. Big error from Spags and it cost us against the Bills imo because they targeted Johnson all game.

That is mind boggling. Sometimes, it really does seem like this team is just using the regular season as a 17 week preseason. Just tinkering around with shit for the sake of doing so.

Never thought I'd miss this guy so bad

Mrs. Idaho is a lot of things. Smart. Funny. Tough. Sexy. Sweet. Determined. Resilient.

But she has about a 3” vertical. I don’t think we want her out there.

I saw her playing slow pitch softball for her sorority during Greek week. She was a liability … at Catcher.

It's not about how good she covers, it's about how good she is under the covers!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Neva count me out🎢</p>&mdash; Wat’s Island🏝 (@JaylenWatson12) <a href="https://twitter.com/JaylenWatson12/status/1864125321429066049?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 4, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It was the opposite. Most of us fans were puzzled why it wasn't obviously going to be Watsons spot but the coaches didnt. Maybe just trying to light a fire under Watson and knew the whole time.

https://kckingdom.com/posts/andy-rei...e-01j5r2544t0h

Reid added that the team might consider a committee at the CB2 spot in the regular season.

Chiefs defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo commented on the CB2 position and said, “I think it's wide open.”

500 POSTS TO HEAL HIS ANKLE!!!!

Yes, because when there's an open competition, coaches always come out and declare a favorite to the media.

Watson ultimately won the job, so it's not at all a stretch to think he was the favorite by mid TC and coach speak quotes from PCs mean absolutely nothing.

HAVE WE HEALED THIS POS YET

Each individual post heals his ankle just a little bit.

Carcosa has won numerous trivia fact-off competitions, he knows exactly how many posts will heal watson’s ankle!!!!

In!!!

i think we could potentially heal him more if we all kissed as well

Aight, I’mma head out…

Take him to church to let the preacher help him walk again

Oh lawd can i get a hallelujah

Healing healing healing in this post

Imagine if someone had told you before the season started that "the defense will collapse without Jaylen Watson."

Imagine it.

I really can't think of a more obvious example of that than Johnson at CB2.

I mean they were CLEARLY just hoping he'd improve. He really hasn't. At least not enough.

So they're giving Williams enough time to get himself back up to speed. It was around this time last year that Cook got hurt and we had to shuffle some things around a bit (I think Watson got dinged as well) and he started playing more.

Then he was REALLY good in the post-season.

This really does feel like they were just dicking around. It's so very, very strange.

Imagine if anyone told any of us back in August that:

Kareem Hunt leads the team in rushing
Juju had the most receiving yards in a game this season
Noah Gray has twice as many TD’s as Kelce
Mahomes has not once been talked about as a candidate to win MVP
An undrafted RB with an alligator as a pet would start multiple games and lead pro bowl voting for a FB

This just reinforces my feelings that for Spags cover corners are more valuable than pass rushers. I love the conversion about the 2 positions but Spags has made it work so well with only 1 elite rusher and average at best guys surrounding him.

I think they need to get another true versatile cover corner in the 1st rd if Tackle is truly not an option.

Pass rushers are valuable but I think cover corners are of bigger value. Look at that happened when we lost Watson? Hell the Broncos have the best pass rushers with an elite DL and just one vulnerable corner absolutely wrecked that defense.

If you can do that and still win, why not?

I guess if Johnson plays less the rest of the regular season, then he also picked up some valuable experience throughout the year too. He could be useful in a pinch if someone goes down for a series.

Mahomes was front runner to win the MVP most of the season until the Buffalo game.

if you told me that watson was gonna get hurt mid year i would have def been worried considering he was our replacement for Sneed. when you have two good corners one of them going down is predictably gonna really hurt. what i would have been surprised about is being 27th or whatever in sacks

...and we'd still be 11-1.

I added one in for you

Just posted this on his IG story:


https://i.imgur.com/20Dc56R.jpeg

He's definitely at the facility getting treatment.

He came out on the field that last drive, I think it was just cramps.

BREATHING INTENSIFIES /Deshaun Watson

What's she about to do with those gloved fingers?!? :eek:

https://c.tenor.com/iTDXGfduKl0AAAAd/tenor.gif

What happened to Joshua Williams? Haven't heard anything

Added another one in for you.

Him already being in the building is very encouraging. It's just a matter of how far along the healing process is he and when will he be allowed to do physical work on the treadmill and practice field etc. He's been making hints and this is just another one.

Chest injury.

Good to see Jaylen and Joshua are still buds despite competing for the CB3 spot last year and CB2 spot this year.

So fascinating think I learned during my own ankle rehab.

You have two muscles in your calf. the one you see on the outside and one that's almost like the 'tender' in a chicken breast that's buried underneath the big one.

That smaller one really does a lot that you don't realize and it tends to atrophy fairly quickly.

I think Watson's return will come down to how quickly he can build back the strength in his lower leg/calf after having it mostly immobilized for as long as he has.

I'm betting by any 'normal' standard he's healed at this point. He probably walks around on it with no trouble. But to get that back into playing shape, he's gonna have to get strength back in there. That's just gonna take a little time.

(That photo doesn't inspire a ton of confidence, to be honest. Left calf seems quite a bit smaller).

The more we post, the bigger that calf gets!!!!

I think the Steven Nelson signing is partly due to them not being sure about Watson.

It’s not easy coming back from this so quickly. And even so will he be who he was before so soon?

He's been walking around for a while now according to pictures on his IG. And if you then add on the hints he's been making I think he might be right on schedule to make it back for the playoffs as the original reports suggest.

BTW ya'll if you look closely on Jaylen's right calf you'll see dude has the Chiefs Arrowhead tattoo there.

For the threepeat, you do all you can and I credit them for that this year amidst all the injuries.

Even if you project Watson back for the AFCCG, you don't count on that. You treat it as bonus.

He's going through the process. An early return could see him back by the Denver game. A normal return would be the divisional round onwards. He's grinding hard by all account so let's just hope for the best.

I’m confused. Wouldn’t players be required to be in the facility even when injured?

They’re still under contract and you’d think the team would want their own trainers to keep tabs on their recovery. Not to mention have them sitting in on positional meetings to stay up-to-date on game day operations and shit.

I noticed the calf difference as well, but didn't know what that meant in terms of how far away he is.

Calves take a long long time to build, they don't go away after 10-12 weeks of non activity. I doubt the real difference is close to what it looked like in that photo.

I had to take close to 4 months total off to recover from a hamstring tendon tear, probably the least effected part of my legs were my calves.

My worthless $.02

The more you post, the bigger my wiener smile gets!!!!

Saw a video on youtube from "show me football" and they say Mitch Holthus said "The Chiefs are getting back Hollywood Brown and maybe Jaylen Watson". He's inside the organisation so if he's saying there's a chance then you can bank on it.

It was easily the most aggravating part of my rehab and frankly pretty shocking.

It took month to as much as do a toe raise on my right foot. And for the first couple of weeks, I could use both feet to elevate and then maybe hold 1-2 seconds on the right foot after raising my left leg.

It just atrophied so damn quickly. That muscle gets a ton of work just living day to day and it doesn't take much time at all for it to waste away if you're not using it.