VIP Stadium entry points-rich people can avoid regular people
New Stadium Clubs-people with alot of money
Endzone club-rich people
Field access tunnel-rich people
new suite and club lounges-rich people

Concession stands, video boards, wifi, a larger parking lot desert, a bridge and some concourse work is what the regular fans get and those are all standard things in a renovation other than the parking thing which is just wild.

They're making the gameday experience better for the 1% of KC and giving regular fan some regular mild upgrades with some more parking.

There's already VIP entry points.

Well they listed it so apparently they want better ones.

Yes, downplay some, uplay some.

How many tickets in the upper level do you think they have to sell to account for the income they get from a single suite?

$800 million primarily to turn the parking lot into even more of a revenue generator for the Chiefs.

Awesome then they can pay for that shit.

They expect average fan to pay a tax to increase their profit for shit that average fan will never ****ing use.

Well...yeah.

Vote no, let them leave

That's what it comes down to. Clark owns the team and can move it if he wants to.

I'm not following the point you're trying to make. Yes, they'll make tons of money on all of these VIP improvements - no one is debating that. I don't know why any taxpayer should be excited to help fund that.

This idea that owners just hold cities hostage to build them shit is a ****in joke. Lets subsidize rich people, great idea.

Guess what there are privately funded stadiums, they do exist.

I just have a hard time getting behind the idea that a county should pay 800 million dollars so the 1% has a better gameday experience. But hey easy for you to say I live in that county and you don't.

They need the Royals out first. Plus to ease the backlash of tearing down Arrowhead. Saying hey we tired but the World Cup renovations revealed true problems is an easy out.

Well he doesn't live in Jackson county so it's easy for him to be for it.

Obviously this one is for Tay Tay.

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I love that they are going to build a VIP road so special people don't have to wait for traffic.

I don't know that I'd say I'm upset by the proposal, but I would definitely vote no if I lived in Jackson County. As it stands, I live in JoCo, so I don't get a vote. As for your question, I've probably been to about 20 games the last 5 years.

The parking deck is the one that caught my eye. I worked on a feasibility study once that involved rough budget estimates for building a parking garage, and the contractor's back-of-the-napkin estimate was around $30k per parking space to build a garage (and this was 5+ years ago). It's nuts how much money those things cost.

They really should call this "the affluent renovation"

I've always read the benefits for the taxpayer are positive for the Chiefs to be there, but if not I may be way off here.

The owners should get to privatize profits and subsidize expenses, but I dont' get to make the decision on that.

I'd imagine they'd rather go out in Kansas and build. If they can get Kansas to build it, go for it.

I'm also not a fan of it because they're going to ask for a new stadium in 15-20 years so it makes no sense to not just build it now or ask for it now.

To build an asphalt road, it's a million dollars per mile.

I'm guessing they don't want to build a new stadium where the current one is, so this is either a way to just get by or it's a way to force the move now.

Why don't they just say that?

Cause they want to be in JoCo?

Just guessing here.... they don't want it to look like they abandoned Arrowhead; they want it to look like they were left with no choice but to move on.

It's old as hell, anyone with any common sense should realize where it's going.

What other things do you think will work around the TSC? Some 50 odd years tells us it works football baseball and select concerts and monster truck events. It gets large amounts of people ln parked and out. That is it it is within 10 miles of the plaza and downtown kc. If you don't like to drive 10 miles well don't go. People at least for the chiefs are not choosing the don't go option. This plan has options for folks to lift and Uber with public transportation options where at best there have been none that were easy and doable. Maybe they could provide electric scooter racks and rent those scooters to folks who don't automobile. They can get to there precious downtown by using them scooters on those empty bicycle lanes.


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1. I've been to games so there's your response to that. Not a season ticket holder or anything but I generally go to at least one game a year, sometimes two or 3.

2. I have no problem with the extended tax but I expected more exciting stuff. Not general improvements that they would have made anyways or shit like expanded parking lots that face a different direction!

3. I'll never be in a suite or be in the VIP thing in the end zone because 1. I can't afford a suite, and 2. The endzone area has the worst viewing angle of any place in the stadium. Those things are targeted for people with money who don't give a shit about the actual game and just want to be somewhere trendy they can party.

I don't know why wanting and expecting more for $800mil ($500 of which is coming from us) is such a bad thing to you

So are they counting on the proposal being voted down?

It was very very underwhelming.

They don't care what you do once you're there, they just want the $.

What would you like to see them specifically do that they aren't doing?

I have no idea. Just spit balling. If it passes, they do minor improvements to get them through the next 10+ years; at which point they could build a new stadium. If it doesn't pass, they build the stadium somewhere else.

It's perfect there. It's people mover property and within 10 miles of that party palace known as downtown KCMo.

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It was changed out the same year they announced GEHA field.

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Bad roads, bad schools, trash everywhere, homeless everywhere, abandoned houses, meth labs, stolen vehicles homicides... All things these tax revenues should be solving.

We were told the benefits of power and light when the taxpayers paid for it. So far that debt interest is still being paid for by the taxpayer and the entire project is still in the red.

There really is nothing about that proposed Stadium that adds anything of value to anyone who doesn't have tickets through a suite owner/business. New bathrooms and concessions? Scoreboard size and ribbons? I would love to see the alternative plans if they move so there is a basis for comparison. If people disagree with me that's fine too, I just don't see the Arrowhead experience being $800m better for any OG fans. I'm happy to hear alternative viewpoints. I used to care about getting a dome, now that I've been to the majority of games the past 2 years I feel differently. I'm indifferent and have enjoyed cold games so much I'm fine if they don't make it indoors. Cold playoff football is fun at Arrowhead.

I'm a bit amazed people have so quickly forgotten about the entire P&L local tax debate, considering how much it actually applies to the current situation. I certainly remember all the promises by the investors about how P&L renovation was going to revitalize the area, and pour all this money back into the community and pay for itself in no time.

In reality...

But I'm sure this time it will be totally different...

It's KC. You would be hard pressed to find a more dumb voting base. They don't even have a city jail FFS

Meh. It's going to pass once the players get in on the PR blitz.

The Chiefs have never in their history been in a stronger negotiating position than they are now, and instead of asking for the kitchen sink of a brand new stadium, they opt to simply "reimagine" the current one and ask for a mere half billion dollars from taxpayers? The total cost is just $800 million?

Something doesn't add up to me.

This project will be completed almost 25 years after the first renovation went up for vote in 2006. The cost of that renovation was $375 million, which adjusted for inflation is probably closer to $600 million.

Will the Hunts come in for more later?

It's happened before:

CHIEFS OUTLINE ADDITIONAL STADIUM PLANS
January 22, 2009
Copyright 2009 MediaVentures

Kansas City, Mo. - The Kansas City Chiefs have offered some new specifics about an additional $70 million in improvements to Arrowhead Stadium and common areas at the Truman Sports Complex.

None of those costs would be paid by Jackson County taxpayers, representatives of the Chiefs stressed in a presentation before the Jackson County Legislature.

"This does not expand the county's responsibility at all," said Ken Spain, a Kansas City attorney representing the Chiefs.

Spain explained that the extra construction costs - above the $250 million approved by county taxpayers - are being paid by the Hunt family and newly approved tax credits granted by the state of Missouri.

Just get Mahomes to record an ad asking people to vote yes… it will be like a Reagan over Mondale margin of victory.

Clark putting the heat on? I don’t like this talk

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/chief...WM_l0YJdduUl10

Ouch don't like that Lamar wouldn't approve either IMO. Shame on you Clark.

Uhhhh

It makes me join to see the content. Can’t you just put his words in here?

The Chiefs and Royals are not committing to staying in KC long term without passage of the April 2nd ballot initiative.

Where the hell are they gonna go? ****ing St Louis?

Clark has a terrible poker face

Possibly outside of Jackson County, but still within the KC-metro area.

But the ballot initiative will probably pass, so it will be a non-issue.

I’m from NC


Never been to Arrowhead and dad is a big Royals fan(that’s where I got my chiefs start). Sounds like we need to make the trip sooner than later to such a legendary stadium

I am not signing up for that article but I don't think that's really surprising. I 100% believe the Chiefs leaked something similar to Sam McDowell which is why he wrote that article about the Chiefs considering Kansas and saying there were serious questions about all this working out. I'd have to dig it up but one of the Jackson County legislators said exactly the same thing months ago too, he'd heard the Chiefs were seriously considering Kansas.

Not sure if that's what the article is referring to but I'd bet their first look would be at the Kansas suburbs before any kind of far away city.

It’s the typical scare tactic to encourage people to vote yes on the ballot initiative.

Seems to me that the majority of the money is for Hunts rich friends to not have to sit in traffic, park at the stadium without walking through all the middle class fans who get very little out of this proposal.

They need to redo their proposal to benefit their fan base instead of his rich friends.

They'll move to the suburbs nice try dweeb still voting NO

I saw a TV ad the other day with Mahomes, Kelce, and Reid asking people to vote yes.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With the teams investing $2M into the campaign for the sales tax, I&#39;ve requested that they pay the $1M costs for the special election. Right now, the County will have to draw from its emergency fund to pay for the unplanned and unbudgeted expense. <br><br>My letter to the teams⬇️ <a href="https://t.co/7tdLF2fHAl">pic.twitter.com/7tdLF2fHAl</a></p>&mdash; Frank White (@JCEFrankWhite) <a href="https://twitter.com/JCEFrankWhite/status/1768384157502054766?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

We get it Frank, you are bitter at the Royals.

You realize the streetcar for example paid for it's election right? What White is requesting isn't unfair

Meanwhile the Arizona Cardinals are adding private villas to their stadium… for fans to pay premium $$$ to watch Kyler Murray.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Arizona Cardinals are building two-story private villas in the south end zone.<br><br>• 20 guests<br>• Valet parking<br>• VIP entrance<br>• Unlimited food &amp; beverage<br>• Access to a private garden club<br><br>Ticket holders can enter 3 hours before kickoff and stay 1 hour after the game ends. <a href="https://t.co/Bs9FJurP4U">pic.twitter.com/Bs9FJurP4U</a></p>&mdash; Joe Pompliano (@JoePompliano) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoePompliano/status/1769723084112548335?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 18, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Let's say $20k

20 people all pay $1000 to watch warmups, be face to face with players, and get unlimited food and drinks for 8 hours.

That's an easy sell.

Gotta love these shitty franchises placing things in their stadiums to distract you from watching their product.

Wish our not-so-shitty franchise would place some decent looking cheerleaders in our stadium.

I did research.
They won't pay them decently.
Because only the princesses of the castle can be hot.

Bring in OBJ and let Kim and Taylor pay for the renovations.

Call me when they put functioning bathrooms in those.


*falls asleep on the couch during the game*

Totally reasonable. Frank has been in a funny spot he has spent a lot of time doing the right things for the wrong reasons.

At taxpayer expense?

Gotta love how teams extort counties for lavish stadiums.

Considering its age, I'm surprised they don't want to outright replace it. Maybe they do and are just compromising.

I really want this to happen I am not as much worried about the crossroads displacement part that is what it is I just think it is insane that they want us to vote for this with the most vague plan and a rendering. The The Shermans and Hunts are evaluating this as a business decision but they are asking us to evaluate it and act on it on pure emotion. This thing as been botched from the start and it is especially frustrating as a downtown resident this is going to impact everyone's lives.

Threaten and move if you must a lot would have to happen to get a yes vote from me and I was pretty bought in from the start.

If they want to successfully raise money to renovate the stadium without taxpayer money, Gracie Hunt should auction off her used panties.

She can raise a fortune just on CP starting with Clay selling everything he owns and taking out a big loan.

Billionaires asking for handouts is incredibly annoying

Baseball is a dinosaur sport anyway. Send the Royals to KS and get SKC in the east village in the next decade

Mark Donovan threatening to move the Chiefs is pretty hollow even in the best of circumstances that the Chiefs have now.

Move out of Arrowhead to the suburbs? Possibly...

Move to another city? Not a chance...the lawsuits they would have to deal with would eat up all the big time cash influx they are getting right now.

Clark Hunt can't even give up a 50 year old stadium because his daddy liked it, so how in the hell does Mark Donovan think Clark could give up his daddy's stadium and the city his daddy chose for the team and for his stadium?

When is the next press conference apologizing for the abomination of the last proposal?

Royals ****ed about with the site for so long, should have stuck to East Village and that Chiefs plan is just a joke, 500m to demolish Kauffman for more parking and upgrades for the elites.

Think the eventual possibility here is Chiefs to Kansas out by the Speedway and the Royals potentially relocating. Going down to a two team sports market with just the NFL and MLS would reduce our national standing IMO particularly since MLS is clearly in 5th place of the major leagues. We'd be Buffalo.

TSC sucks for baseball. Baseball in the suburbs is fine in Atlanta not a small market like KC. Should be Downtown.

If they move, it’ll be out to the racetrack in Kansas.

Daddy?


STFU

Lamar Hunt is Clark Hunt's father, so I am not sure why the word daddy upset you.

Sure, Jan.

Mock him some moar.

Other than adding a 3rd team to New York or LA (lol) there doesn't exist a reasonable market for KC to move to that would significantly boost them.

London? Yeah ****ing right. The NFL talks a good game on that shit, but they'll never have a franchise over there.