The average weight of a woman today is MORE than the average weight of a man back in the 60's.

The fat pigs have not gained any height, just 30 pounds heavier per.

Remember when all Pizza Huts were dine-in/carryout, no delivery? No boxes either; they somehow put the pizzas in that brown paper tent thing.

About 5 years ago I found a dine-in PH in some dink town in CO, I think? We stopped for dinner; so much better than their delivery pizza.

It was nice in the summers to ride your bike to big cheese pizza or godfathers and for about 3-5 bucks, they had all you can eat buffet lunches.

My first job was being a caddy at a golf course when I was 13. Would stop at 6am at McDonald’s and have a “big breakfast” for 3 bucks.

I also recall when Atari first came out and having 8-10 kids in the same house waiting to play missile command or asteroids.

Being that age, I also recall going to community pools and also using their tennis courts, shuffleboard, ping pong etc.

We were never “doing nothing”

Just so weird to me. I grew up in WESTERN IOWA. Hick central. Nobody had any gun racks in their vehicle. Very few even had trucks. Maybe one or two had gun racks I guess but perhaps the Fast and the Furious changed that. Alot of rice burners as they call it. I used to have a 98 Honda Prelude in high school. Got me laid many a times.

Dine in Pizza Hut was the greatest

Yea, in a real small town I could believe that several folks had gun racks and .22’s. Or maybe a .20g in the rack. But in the mid 70’s in my part of the world, that was an invitation to lose your window and your gun and ammo.

And then face an ass kicking from a dad and mom.

Huh. Japanese cars were not popular at my HS back in the early-mid '80s. They existed, but not in great numbers. American brands dominated.

Of course, most of us bought our own cars/trucks; only a few had parents willing to pay for a new car for the kids. So you had to buy something with just a couple-three thousand bucks or whatever. Back then, a used Chevy/Ford/Ram truck was maybe $3-$4000 max? I think you could get a new truck for about $12,000?

But old '70s trucks were cheap, so were the parts, and working on them was pretty straightforward.


And gun racks were practically a factory option. Some cheap Mossy pump or whatever in the bottom rack, and usually some kind of lever gun in the top. Rich people might have a bolt gun in the top rack.

I remember one of my best friends getting a mini-14 from his dad as a X-mas gift, and the rest of us being very impressed with it the first time he pulled into the Senior parking lot with that thing hanging there in the top rack.

Stringfellow hawk was shooting people at Texas from the clock tower

Yugos went for around $2k. We went on a test drive in one and it went as bad as you'd expect. It was clearly a hunk of junk, felt like it was barely held together and would fall apart if you went too fast through a dip. Very little horsepower. We didn't buy.

I imagine. Just pointing out the differences. I grew up in late 90s/very early 2000s

My town was about 4,000 people and it was common place. Then again some of the real bumpkins had the drive your tractor to school/ride your horse day. Early 2000s

Trucks were still the vehicle of choice but fast n furious made every other queer out there buy a ricer and put a fart can on it

I know this is all from memory but breaking down your numbers:

Approximately 450 students:

40% of the parking lot was pickups. So, depending on size of individual classes of freshmen/Sophomores who didn’t drive (in my decade- your decade may have had more FR/SO drivers) then you probably had 100 student vehicles in the lot. And of those vehicles, about 40% of those drove trucks. So 40 trucks. 40:gun racks. 40 guns of some sort.

Percentage seems a touch high, but it’s Tulsa. So, that could be true. What was your high school decade?

EDIT: megatron’s decade was the 80’s.

Yeah, I get it. I do remember that gun racks seemed to just disappear in the mid-90s, I think?

And I guess theft in the parking lots became a real thing, because around '96 or '97 I went back to visit with an old teacher of mine, and I had to make an appt. just to get on campus (when i was going there weren't any gates), and they had some kind of cameras posted all around the parking lots.


They still had a clay shooting team though, so you could still bring guns to school at that time.

When I was in high school, Japanese cars didn't exist. Or at least, they didn't exist in a practical sense where I lived. There were no dealers within a hundred miles of anything other than the American brands.

There were a few Datsuns around. One family had a ... Datsun B210? And a guy had a 240Z. Those were local oddities. And then in college, an astoundingly well-built girl that I sat next to in freshman chemistry had one of those tiny early Civics. But other than those I never really saw anything but American stuff. At some point a BMW showed up, and it was one of those hideously ugly early ones so I mostly just cringed when I saw it.

Under 5k I can believe it.

TG&Y and Venture (Venture had a top shelf snack bar with hot dogs and icees).

The junkyard. Absolute great times. Finding that wiring harness for the 1974 AMC Hornet was like striking a vein of gold.

And Kansas City had two papers a day, the Times in the morning and the Star in the evening. We'd pour over the box scores in the morning to see how the Royals did overnight, especially when they were on a west coast swing.

Probably closer to 130 student cars, i think. But yeah, probably around 40 pickups in the student lots? Another dozen or so in the teachers' lot? That's just a pure guess though. Only cars I really remember the teachers driving was Mr. Kreickhaus' microbus and Ms. Allen's 1959 or whatever Volkswagen bug, because it was all painted up with flowers (giant daisy right in the middle of the hood) and a pink peace symbol on the roof.

Graduated in 1986.

But not every single truck had a gun rack in it. A lot did. But not every single one. Some kids didn't own their own guns. Knew plenty of kids that came from poorer homes, and their guns were really their dad's/uncle's guns, so they weren't allowed to just drive around with them. Or they had parents that just didn't want their kids driving around with them in the back window. If I had to close my eyes and guess, we're talking somewhere between a couple dozen to 30 gun racks.

But a lot of kids were farmer/rancher kids back then, which might be why so many gun racks. My best friend as a Frosh/soph was a fourth gen rancher kid; learned to drive my first vehicle on his ranch. Crappy Ram something, with no windows at all, only had 2nd gear, no reverse, and didn't turn left for some reason i don't remember anymore.

i drove my dad's pos 1977(1976?) Ford Country Squire for a year, complete with the rad wood trim/paneling all around and the flip-up headlights doors (like little garage doors) then bought a used Camaro (bitchin' Camaro), so never had the pleasure of owning a gun rack, and also why i have no idea how they ended up in all those trucks.

Lol, Datsun. B210 no less. One of my best friends from 3rd grade to HS drove a kind of bronzy colored one in HS. I drove it once; yeesh. Great memories, thx.:D

That's weird. I graduated in '82 and there were quite a foreign brands floating around. My speech teacher had a B210 and so did a couple of other teachers. I had a friend with a late 70s Corolla that I thought was kind of neat. A bunch of Civics. A kid from a weathier family drove a Celica fastback. There were also the captured imports like the Plymoth Scamp and Cricket and the Dodge Colt. There was even a Subaru or two.

However, the vast majority of foreign cars were Bugs. I had a '66 and another friend of mine had a '58 with the small rear window. Maybe these were more common because I was on the west coast, albeit in a small farming town.

I ended trading that Bug during my senior year for a new Le Car, so even the French were represented.. :D

Yes, after Columbine and others they didn't allow this anymore.

I became friends with a guy I worked with the year after I graduated. He had bought a brand new red Datsun 210 (newly restyled so they had dropped the "B") a couple years earlier. It was already fading from the sun and was turning pink. I would always give him shit about driving his pink car and he would reply with a snooty accent "It's not pink; it's salmon". He ended up trading that off on a VW Scirocco because he thought it would help him pick up chicks better (it did not). He ended rolling the VW (with me in it), unfortunately.

Lol, those B210s. I think they were made out of tin and bubble gum.

Where did you live? I think the Japanese invasion started around that time or a bit earlier, so I bet some places had a big presence (e.g., west coast, some larger metros), and other places had little or none (e.g., the Ozarks where I lived).

I think the invasion must have happened fast, because I bought a 1979 Celica in about 1985 and they weren't uncommon by that point.

Plus, I always thought the B210s were ugly.

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I thought the 210s were a little better as they looked kind of like the 510, which were cool.

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In '83, the 210 became the Sentra.

There was some weird-ass Japanese cars in the 1970s. I also thought the Datsun F10 and the Honda 600s were the ugliest.

Honda 600 looks like it had a big ol' suction cup on the back hatch.

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The F10 was just fugly.

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I lived near Salem, Oregon at the time. Japanese cars in general just were pretty common, especially after just getting out of the second gas crisis.

[QUOTE=Frosty;17173700]Plus, I always thought the B210s were ugly.

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Lol, yep, that was it. just this bronzy shit color. Of course, it probably was a different color brand new. Like midnight blue:D.

I bet that would explain it. You probably got all of those cars 2 or 3 years before they made it east to me.

I'm thinking more about this, and I think the little tiny pickups made to us while I was in high school. I don't remember if they were Toyotas or Datsuns or something else. In big pickup country, people chuckled at them.

My dad loved those little pickups. We had several Ford Couriers (made by Mazda) going back to the early 70s. Then he had a Chevy LUV (made by Isuzu) in the late 70s, which I drove quite a bit after I got my license. Then in the early 80s, he had a diesel 4x4 Isuzu PUP. It got great mileage but was soooo slow. It topped out at 55, iirc. I used it the summer of 84 to move to Spokane and sweated my ass off in the no-AC vinyl interior while I toodled up the highway getting passed by everyone while having it floored the entire way. After that, he had a string of S10s until they stopped making them.

He still gripes that no one makes a small pickup like that in the US anymore. LMAO

I enjoyed growing up during that time frame. I would wander the woods in the late ‘60s all day. Play football in the neighborhood. Ride bikes everywhere. Kids would bring rifles into high school. My college years were among the most fun years of my life. But this idyllic view ignores a ton of reality.

1. The AIDS epidemic that emerged in ‘82-‘84 had far more to do with the end of the sexual revolution than Anita Baker did in 1991. Big Daddy’s experiences aren’t really relevant to 98% of the population because he boasted of his swinging lifestyle on CP well into the 2000s. No judgement, but his experience is an outlier.

2. How many people does our generation know that died from the freedom of being able to drink and drive when it was socially acceptable? A guy in my Boy Scout troop dead at 22. A guy in my wife’s HS class of less than 100 died before graduating. My college roommate killed someone drunk driving. Me and my college roommates had too many stupid moments.

3. How many rape victims do you know from that time period? Considering that 1 in 6 women are raped, it is not hard to know of several.

4. I was on a church youth group camping trip. One of the “older” girls went off with some older guy outside of our group for the night. Titillating gossip at the time. She was probably 15 or 16 years old and the dude she went off with was probably 18-22. I just can’t believe that was a positive experience for her. I’m not a prude but I suspect that ‘70s freedom was not a net positive in her life.

5. I played a game of chess in 8th grade against a kid (excuse the use of gender neutral pronouns) wearing nail polish in a conservative suburban school district in the mid-70s. I didn’t know them well, but I can’t imagine their life was easy and that they decided to wear nail polish on a whim. From their overall demeanor I would take all bets at 10:1 odds they were a trans girl.

6. Why were there not more LGBTQ people from earlier generations, you ask? 1) they were repressed and 2) the died of AIDS in the ‘80s and ‘90s. Don’t act stupid and pretend you didn’t know that you had LGBTQ classmates. I was way outside of any social circle and the rumors still made their way to me. There have always been LGBTQ people, but haters are mad about them not staying in their closet where they belong.

7. Bullying sucked. Personal experience. Smart, socially awkward, skinny, and different opinions filled my bingo card.

8. Middle aged guy in my parent’s neighborhood riding his bike casually, crashes and ends up disabled due to brain injury. But at least he didn’t look like a dork by wearing a helmet.

9. A friend in our early 20s social circle got hit by a car crossing the street. 6 mo recovery and still never the same. He used to be a great guy to hang out with and became paranoid , unapproachable, and unable to lead a normal life. That led me to a life long vow: do whatever I can to reduce risk of a brain injury to me or my loved ones. I’m not living in a bubble but yes, I am extra sensitive to situations where I may get a brain injury.

10. Kid in my high school has a “gun cleaning accident”. Everyone knew it was suicide but no one knew why.

11. I got into music and had a mid-range stereo system ( reciever, speakers, turntable, and tape deck) that I probably had $600 invested in. An equal amount in records. With my phone, a $350 Bluetooth speaker and $11 per month I can access virtually all music in the universe that sounds better. This ignores 45 years of inflation.

Boomers are the last good generation. Our parents were the last great generation.

The 70s and 80s were fantastic.

Wow, that was ….heavy.

Kids still free roam when their parents will let them, and overall, it is a bit safer to allow kids that freedom (based on statistics).

For example, I get to work from home some days a week. Over the summer, my oldest (7) stayed home with me and played with her friends next door (twin boy and girl 11). It didn't seem too much different than when I ran around as a kid.

They would roam from my house to the one next door, make a mess, play outside a lot - tag, kickball, trampoline, playset - go swimming in the lake. Sure, they would spend some time hanging out in the garage playing Nintendo switch, but I can't say I didn't do the same thing in the 90s (game boy/64).

Now granted, I live out in the country on a gravel road that circles the lake. There isn't a lot of traffic, and I can rest easy knowing my seven-year-old can be outside without worrying about traffic. My parents let my brother and I free roam - in the backyard - the front yard was always off limits because of Missouri's famous 60 mph country curvy roads.

There are about a dozen kids around the lake that go to the local school, they all seem to love it. The older ones drive around on their 4 wheelers and hang out on the lake in jet skies.

And one thing that I do know is better than when I grew up is acceptance and kindness. The kindness agendas are paying off on the younger generations. They treat each other a bit more better than I remember kids treating each other growing up.

I don't think kids these days think that their childhood was as bad as you think it was. I know some younger guys that are barely cracking their 20s now and it floors me when they talk about how their first video game console was the ****ing Wii. Was well into adulthood at the time that thing was released. I lamented to them how growing up during a post 9/11 world must've sucked, because from my experience as a teenager/early 20s at the time those years kind of sucked. But no, they all sit there and reminisce and talk about how those years were so much better than now. I personally don't get it, but then again I think the late 80s and 90s were pretty great because that's when I was growing up.

Concert tickets were cheeeeeeap.

Dogs of Lordtown started skating in empty pools, changed boarding forever.

Frisbee..165 grams

The music, the cars, the girls.

10 cent ice cream bars, ten cent candy bars, penny candy.

Nope Gen X is the last, we’re the “forgotten” gen but it’s ok we like it like that but don’t test us, we’ll **** you up.

That would make "The Greatest Generation" the worst generation, because they were the first generation in the 20th century to raise a "worse" generation than theirs. The Baby Boomers would then be the second generation to fail their descendants.

I'm not saying I necessarily agree with that, but if you believe each generation is worse than the last, the blame should be pointed at the generation that started the downward trend.

All could have been avoided if parents just ate their own children.

There would certainly be less shenanigans about shit.

LOL. My mom used to drop us off at Oak Park mall, or we'd ride our bikes up there. Walking the mall, flirting with girls, hanging at the arcade, going to movies, etc. Good times.

lighten up francis...

Yeah god forbid he talked about how everything wasn't ****ing roses.

:thumb: Same

Hey dipshit... That's an 80's movie reference...

Yes, I believe everything she said about him.

Movie reference or not.....we all know you weren't happy with it because he didn't bring up fat or trans people being nonexistent.

I left Springfield Missouri at 18 and spent the 1977-1985 years traveling the USA and the world.

Needless to say, it was a different era. I could get laid in every town I visited. Not because I'm so hot, it was just different back then. AID's wasn't a real threat to the hetro population until 84-85. There would be orgy's going on in the middle of the day on the European nude beaches.

The $ was the strongest it ever was. I could stay in a hostel in the middle of a major city for $3. So so many women wanted to marry my passport that they threw themselves at me. I definitely took advantage of that situation.

When I came back to the states in 85 I changed all that behavior.

Hey look, everybody. BRC got laid. Like a bunch of times in European orgies on the beach.

Never did the orgy thing. Not my cup of tea.

Not even with two girls? And one cup?

Cups were 3 for a dollar back then, so it just made sense to have extras.



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Classic rock and classic metal was much much better in the 60s,70s and 80s. With the exception of House and Techno, music started sucking ass (in my opinion) in the 90s and early 2000s.

Father of my best friend in college actually imported Yugos back in the day. So of course, when Jason decidedhe needed a car for school, his dad gave him a brand new Yugo. It was a piece of junk, but it was pretty cheap on gas, and you could get four people into it. Also, no one, including my buddy cared what happened to it. Someone backed into it in the parking lot at the store? Someone stole it? Who cares? Lol.


Thing i really remember about Yugos is that the interior door panels were basically made of cardboard. Someone accidentally left the passenger door window open one night and in the morning after a long overnight shower, the door panel was practically falling off the door, lol.

This is all very much true as well. It was NOT all roses. The bullying that took place in school was very real and very hurtful. And there’s remains in me an angst that I affected a person or persons in a really harmful manner. I’ve made amends where I can. And those folks were gracious enough to accept my extremely late expression of regret.

Suicide was very real in that day and age. But it was also kept under wraps as families were worried not only about their personal loss, but the shame that went along with it. And that too, was very real.

Movies peaked in 1994.

For sure, or at least 1994 was the last great peak. 8 or 9 movies I'll still watch to this day.

1. WTF does Anita Baker have to do with anything? AIDS was pretty much a disease for pirates. It didn't slow them them down though as they fought BIG TIME legally to keep the gay bath houses open in SF. I was in the epicenter of that shit and I don't know one heterosexual that got aids.

2. 25% of all wrecks are caused by cell phones which we didn't have back then. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) reports that driving while texting is six times more dangerous than driving drunk.

3. Rape is at an all-time high now. Not just any rape either. This isn't someone 21 with somebody 16. It's meth and babies now. Another swing and a miss.

4.Give me a break dude. A 16 year old and 18 year old happens all the time. You can't even get the ages right.

5.You have sympathy for trans, congratulations. Another horrible example filled with assumptions.

6. That was just weird, save your lecture.

7. Bullying sucks and always will and it still happens, I would say probably now more than ever. Bullying has a new friend now that it didn't have in the 70s and 80s, it's called technology. From social media to cell phones I would say this is another big swing and miss.

8, 9. WTF is that? So your case is it's better now because we have more laws protecting people from themselves? Weird.

10. Suicide is higher now than ever before, another swing and a miss.

11. Nobody gives a Rats Ass about your music. You can buy a huge collection for the price of a concert ticket now.

Friggen negative Nancy another thread bro. 70's and 80's rocked.

Yes, this was a much, much better life.

On a good note, how about those killer custom vans of the 70's and 80's before they screwed them all up turned them into window vans? 2 seat shorties with the bed in the back, couple bean bags. I had one for 3 years when I first moved to Florida. Great times.

BTW I am looking for one but the price on these things in great condition is steep as hell. My kid just turned 16 and would love one. Might have to settle for the Lexus.

It's called Rosy Retrospection. Or the Golden Age Fallacy. It's a very well known cognitive bias that results from the difference between how good memories and bad memories are formed and stored. Everything wasn't actually better. Some things were. Many things were not. There's actually tons of research about it.

That said, the 80's still had some pretty incredible advantages as a kid that can't be applied today.

We had two of them, lol. First was a Dodge custom, with a 360 motor, big green thing, with a folding bed in the back, shag carpet all around, and even had a sink, lol!

Second one was a ford, a little shorter, but got better gas mileage, and drove a lot better. Also had a bed, but no sink.:thumb:

Boys today will never know having to call a girls house and talk to her parents first.

I regret that as a dad nowadays.

The irony that Big Daddy misses ****ing teenage girls and windowless vans. Can’t make this shit up.

I regret just missing the "quaalude era". By the time I was old enough to want to try them, they were already a thing of the past.

I kind of figure that everyone thinks that their memories were great, and that changes are substandard.

People who grew up in the 1940s probably talk fondly about victory gardens and how much better life was with stay-at-home moms.

People who grew up in the 1910s probably reminisced about those stick and hoop toys, and how much better life was when ice was delivered by hand with those big tongs.

People who grew up in the 1790s probably talked fondly about at-home candle tallow making and how much better life was before the Indians got guns.

People who grew up in the Ice Age probably talk fondly about killing giant ground sloths and how much better meat tasted before cooking over fires started.

In forty years, people will talk about growing up in the 2020s and how great tiktok was and how much better life was before AI matched you up with your future spouse in elementary school.

Just to be clear: are you pro or anti stick and hoop toys?

I just wanted to stop in and say OK BOOMERS

And young people will wonder how old geezers lived without ultra-realistic sex robots.

I kind of wonder that now.

Not as much fun as killing a giant ground sloth, but more fun than at-home tallow making.

Yeah, people who enjoyed their childhood in the 70s or 80s would have enjoyed it in the 50s or 2010s and people who didn't enjoy their childhood in the 2000s wouldn't have enjoyed it in the 70s or 20s.

And that was basically cdcox's point, I think.

There's obviously give and take, and I'm sure some people would have done better or worse in a difficult decade... but kids are pretty damn resilient and don't exactly sit around pining for past decades they weren't ever part of either.

90% of it is nostalgia of being a kid with zero responsibility, the other 10% is just shouting at clouds and being disconnected with today's kids.

Good grief dude, nothing he said even comes close to warranting your attack... take it to DC if you ****ing hate conservatives so much

Lol who said anything about him being conservative?

Come on now, we're both too well seasoned to play these word games... you know exactly where you were going with that pointed remark

You didn't used to seem this outright hostile, its just weird... and kinda sad

Didn't come across as hostile, pointed perhaps but not hostile.

I agree. Just trying to start a fight over nothing. The next post will be to make some backhanded passive aggressive sociopolitical comment, then act shocked when they respond.

That one absolutely sucked. And if you got a girls number, starting up a conversation by texting is a little easier than calling.

But I'm still glad smart phone with cameras didn't exist.

If I would have had internet porn as a teenager, I would have never left the house and had a forearm bigger than Popeye’s.

Just because they have no idea what they missed out on, doesn't mean they missed out on it.

:Poke:

But seriously, helicopter overly protective parents isn't all great in my opinion.

Making kids wear bike helmets is a good idea. But having almost every moment of middle class kids lives structured with one activity or another and every dispute or conflict is handed off to be reffed by an adult...

Okay, slight exaggeration, but you get the picture.

Porn makes kids lazy.