I feel like the league made a collective effort to push back on WR contracts after Tyreek and Adams broke the bank, but wonder if anyone else feels the same?

Only reason I ask is that it feels like we always seem to look for the short & fast types, or short w/ high end route running, but in this year's draft it looks like there's a TON of tall WRs with size. This class might produce a few M. Evans, A. Cooper, or K. Allen Types, or maybe a couple of DK Metcalf, T. Mclauren, or D. Samuels'esque WRs.

I think another group of QB's got paid or is about to is all.

Where we will be picking, consider Malik Nabers, LSU :thumb:

Brian Thomas? 6-4 w/ 918 yards at LSU and 18 yrd avg.

There are a TON of tall WRs in this draft!

They need to grow their own something. If it's OT's, go for it. If it's WR's fine.

They just need to get good players.

Well, Worthy can actually run a full route tree and excels in getting separation in tight spaces.

Well, if he can do that at 4.29, I'm in.

And he probably won't be in reach.

Give me Franklin!

My thoughts are what is the status of the Chiefs after this season? WE NEED WR bad but, what about our own? Jones, Sneed, Gay? Our TE situation and future offensive line? DE need if Jones walks. So very many questions and at our draft position, how do you begin to replenish this team - looking at the bigger picture. My gifted members of CP - what do you do? How do you mange this in the offseason and strategically manage the draft? :thumb:

To start, don't let Jones walk for nothing. If he has to play somewhere else, trade him for the picks we need to replenish the team.

Here's what the draft guy on my Longhorns forum posted today in a column about the Longhorns likely to be drafted. On a side note, Ryan Watts is probably a CB we should have on the radar for a late round pick. Big bodied corner who excels in press coverage. Will probably run in the 4.5-4.55 range that Watson ran in when we drafted him. I try not wear my homer glasses here when it comes to Texas, but we do have a fair amount of guys this year who would fit what we're trying to do both defensively and offensively this year.

Xavier Worthy:

Projection: 2nd RD

He’ll crush speed and agility numbers and will receive high marks for his work ethic and toughness relative to his size. His hands, ball-tracking, and ball skills will hurt his draft stock. There aren’t a ton of heavily contested catches, or receptions when he climbs the ladder on his tape.

I think Worthy will go in the second round but there’s an outside shot he goes in the first because of his elite ability to create separation.

I see him more as a WR2.


Adonai Mitchell:

Projection: 1st or 2nd RD

I could see Mitchell going anywhere from 25-45. I’ll be curious to see how he runs but for a taller player he sure has a knack for winning deep. He has the traits to become a quality intermeidate route runner. We know he has a big catch radius.

His best ball will be played in the NFL. Mitchell has a high ceiling to go with already good production. He could develop into a legit WR1.

Another guy to keep an eye on is Bryan Thomas. The other LSU WR. He’s 6’4” 204 and will run in the 4.3’s. Runs good routes and creates separation. Is a sleeper that is climbing up boards.
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Worthy's scouting report makes him sound a lot like Hardman. Super fast, great acceleration, not great at tracking the ball in the air.

Mitchell's size/speed are a lot more attractive to me, of the UT receivers. I like him or Polk out of Washington as my end-of-round-1 options right now.

A rounds 1-2 that ends with KC holding a WR and an OT make me pretty happy. Especially if those two are Adonai Mitchell and Kingsley Suamataia.

Agree 100% with all of this, OT and WR after R2, and I prefer Mitchell over Worthy.

We just drafted an OT in the 3rd round last year.

I don't think I'd spend another on it if I didn't have to.

Hard to say without knowing how Morris is progressing. Is he simply a career backup or could he start at either LT or RT? No way for any of us to know that. If they somehow feel like he could step in at LT then great, may not need a high pick at RT.

It should also be mentioned that Jawaan Taylor is guaranteed to be here in 2024, could be moved on from in 2025 but less likely. 2026 is a likely time for them to let go of Taylor. Finding a cheaper alternative in the next year or two at RT would be a good cost saving move, particularly if more cap is allocated soon to Creed and/or T. Smith.

He's the RT for the next 3 years. Worry about finding his succession plan later.

If they can get a LT in the draft early, great. But they need to find out what they've got in Morris one way or another and stop burning 3rd rounders on developmental guys and not playing them.

Well here's what I can tell you 100% for sure:
















We don't have any idea what Veach is going to do.

:D

But the reality is that, just like last year, and this year, there will be question marks in the offseason, and positions that seem unsettled, and giant question marks.

It's just the way it is.

It's why you don't go into drafts with needs all the rage. Just keep stacking good players and fill around it.

Troy Franklin is def on my radar

I really like quez. He’s really fast and hasn’t had a ton of opportunities.

Tank Dell out there proving the exception to the rule

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl...s-leaders-2023

Seems like every year I find a small, fast, twitchy, small-school guy and hope he'll be the next Tyreek but never really pans out.

Good for Tank!

Tank wasn't ever really overly twitchy and juking everyone out of their shoes in college. Small will good speed though, sure. The Kadarius Toney and Wan'Dale Robinson types and so forth of recent drafts are more what I'm looking at.

I don't mind small, but Dell was exceptionally thin, which usually isn't great either. That said, that type does a little better these days now that safeties can't remove their torso from their legs.

Updated ESPN Rankings per Kiper:

1. Marvin Harrison Jr., Ohio State
2. Rome Odunze, Washington
3. Keon Coleman, Florida State
4. Malik Nabers, LSU
5. Xavier Worthy, Texas
6. Emeka Egbuka, Ohio State
7. Brian Thomas Jr., LSU
8. Xavier Legette, South Carolina
9. Adonai Mitchell, Texas
10. Ladd McConkey, Georgia

I am intrigued by the Egbuka fall. That would be a great fit for KC and it’s hard to believe he’d be in position for the Chiefs to take.

I jealously want a Nabers or Marvin Harrison. W

Same here! I noticed he fell a bit due to an ankle injury.

Also noticing Nabers sliding on this list a bit.

Teicher's comments from ESPN:

Yes, they may decide they need to invest at the position again this offseason. Names like Tee Higgins, Mike Evans, Calvin Ridley and Michael Pittman Jr. could be available, but the Chiefs will also have cap decisions on some of their own free agents at other positions.

Egbuka is about the same. Franklin is the suprise drop for me.

Who is going to be the NEXT Sky Moore-MVS of Chiefs draft ?
 

1st - 2nd RD WR Targets:

Emeka Egbuka, OH ST, 6-1, 205, 4.3
Keon Coleman, FSU, 6-4, 215, 4.45
Xavier Worthy, TX, 6-1, 175, 4.29
Adonai Mitchell, TX, 6-4, 195, 4.5
Xavier Legette, SC, 6-4, 225, 4.29
Troy Franklin, ORG, 6-3, 185, 4.35
Johnny Wilson, FSU, 6-7, 235, 4.42
Ja'Lynn Polk, WAS, 6-2, 205, 4.48
Malachi Corley, WKU, 5-11, 200, 4.46
Brian Thomas, LSU, 6-4, 205, 4.47
Jermain Burton, BAMA, 6-0, 195, 4.31

*This entire class is tall WTF?




Some great prospects. Wonder which one Conner Embree will _uck up with his brilliant coaching knowledge ?

Worth noting these are two different analysts rankings

The WRs this year are tall, and the RBs are small.

How about Jerry Rice's son, Brenden Rice?

USC, 6'3, 210 LBS, 4.38 40-YRD, 791 YRDS, 12 TDS, 17.6 AVG

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/...ce-WR-Colorado

Just get me a cerebral route runner with solid hands.

Thats all.

I honestly think this could be the deepest WR class since.... 2014 perhaps?

I want a tall strong receiver with great hand who can high point a ball.

It's been years since we had one.

I think it was just due to injury and not playing much this year, which could always work in KC's favor

Why are the kids from FSU ranked so high? Neither put up significant yards.

Why take Egbuka, Worthy, or Thomas in the 1st if they weren't even the #1 on thier college teams?

CBS latest mock had us taking Rome Odunze.

Odunze is the one guy in round one that I'm not a fan of. Rome is a big bodied guy who doesn't have great speed, is not twitchy and doesn't get much separation. He wins because of his size and good hands. These guys get overdrafted and frequently flame out in the NFL.

Just my impression.

I've seen every WR but Harrison Jr and Nabers projected to our Chiefs.

It's exciting to have so many options, but also feels like potential room for error. Really hope we knock this one out of the park!

We better boil it down to the best possible targets here on CP for the coaching staff, they're busy and all.

GOOD! He looks incredible!

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I think it's fair to say we need..

1. A #1 WR
2. An outside WR
3. A sure thing

Rome Odunze = Will he drop to us?
Keon Coleman = Why doesn't he have more yards?
Emeka Egbuka = Ankle injury & isn't he a slot guy?
Adonai Mitchell = Why doesn't he have more yards?
Xavier Legette = Only 1 year of production?
Brian Thomas = Not the #1 on his team?
Xavier Worthy = Is he a Hardman clone?
Ja'Lynn Polk = Not the #1 on his team?
Johnny Wilson = Why doesn't he have more yards?
Branden Rice = Not the #1 on his team?

Troy Franklin = Best fit? Seems like several have already come to this conclusion, maybe you can fill us in on what you see?

Franklin is a ****ing problem he would blend so well with Patrick

Trust in Veach. Get your WR in the first round. Pass catching TE in the second round. (Travador isn't long for the NFL.) Cutt the chaff in the WR group.

He looks great to me, fast, crisp, big, good hands etc. I don't like Worthy much

He has to get it right this year. If he drafts duds from this crop he's going to rightly get heat.

Troy Franklin

Profootbal Focus Draft Profile:


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PFF's #14 WR in 2024 NFL Draft:


DraftBuzz.com:



My questions:

1. Is he a WR #1 in the NFL?

2. Is he really 6'3? 4.3?

3. Does he create separation? ...lots of 50:50 jump ball types this year.

Which slot is Franklin supposed to be picked at, around?

1st Round

Playing a little game trying to narrow down our preferred RD 1 WR in the upcoming draft.

Thats a big difference in cost to us to move up between pick 32 and pick 15. I guess they will have a possible slot figured out as we get closer.

The whole “isn’t #1 on his team” thing is not a good factor to review when the other guys are good, too.

You could have made that complaint about Garret Wilson and Chris Olave. Or Justin Jefferson. Jameson Williams was the #3 guy behind those two at Ohio State.

Being #2 option behind a guy who clearly is getting drafted in the top 5 picks or top 10 picks.

So I don’t like it’s a knock on Egbuka at all that he isn’t the top target at Ohio State

To me, if you can get him at a discount because he’s playing with Harrison and has a bad QB, that’s a win.

1. Maybe.

2. Probably not.

3. Who knows?


WR's are kind of a crapshoot. It comes down to what's between his ears, he's got enough physical ability.

Xavier Legette, SC, 6-4, 225, 4.29
Keon Coleman, FSU, 6-4, 215, 4.45
Brian Thomas, LSU, 6-4, 205, 4.47
Adonai Mitchell, TX, 6-4, 195, 4.5

I like these guy's size

Very true. That said, I have more faith than George Michael & the Pope.:) LFG!

Odunze and Franklin with the first two picks. Those two and Rice and we are good to transition to our next phase on offense. I'm tagging and trading Jones to get into position to make this happen.

I'm not sure I'm ready to give up Jones for a rookie WR.

I get it. It's a tough decision. It's financial for me. We need the money to retain some other players, and the draft picks to rebuild the receiving core.

Other than sneed, let the rest walk. You can’t keep an elite defense together so don’t try. Keep the elite guys and build around them

I don't think we're as strapped as fans think...

We have $31m in Cap Space next offseason, and Chris Jones wants $30m per year, he's already owed $5m next season, so that leaves us with $6m. Let's say you need $5m for draft picks, so yeah, at first glance we're pretty strapped but seems obvious we let MVS go for +$12m, which gives us $13m.

Is $13m enough to also bring back Sneed? Maybe. If Sneed doesn't stay, that's enough to sign Gay, plus our other desirable FAs. We also have a few restructurable contracts with team friendly players like Thuney (Up to ~$9.5m), Kelce (Up to ~$8m), and Mahomes (Up to ~$6m). Two of which of been willing to restructure in the past.

Ultimately, it's possible for us to keep Chris Jones AND more.

or am I missing something?

If we're not going to spend our money on a top defensive tackle, top defensive back, or top ILB... than what do we want to spend that money on? Who else is coming up for a contract in the near future that's more important? If you want a vet FA WR, why not ask our offense to restructure and make it happen?

OTC shows KC at $51.6 million next year, and that’s before we let go of MVS and his $12 million in savings.

You can also sign Justin Reid to an extension and get his # down.

Ok, that's fair, but how about the guys like Keon Coleman who's production really isn't that great. I think PFF has him as the #3 WR and Draftbuzz has him #9, currently. Is his QB play really so poor, and his route running and athletic profile so noticeable that he warrants such a lofty ranking with under 600 yards?

Draftbuzz upgrade Legette to #3 WR in their class btw... just stirring the pot for the discussion here.

Malik Nabers currently has 1,546 yards and 14 TDS on 18 yrd avg... holy shit!

Legette and Malachi Corley are both really intriguing to me. Legette, with only one year of production, is a burner and an absolute bully with the ball in his hands. His size/speed combo is really impressive. Corley is a former RB and it shows when he's in the open field. He's tough to bring down and a problem for tacklers.

I'm not sure either one can claim a good route tree or, despite their athletic profiles, create consistent separation, but they are RAC monsters.

Production in college is about a lot of things.

- Quality of your teammates
- Quality of your QB
- Style of offense
- What the D tries to take away

Coleman has accounted for 23 percent of his offenses' passing offense. Malik Nabors, for example, has accounted for 30 percent of his.

So what gives? Here's one thing, if we stick with that comparison.

Well, Florida State's QB isn't the running threat that Jayden Daniels is, so teams when I've watched FSU typically have a safety over the top of Coleman or even are playing in a two-deep shell.

LSU gets its guys in 1x1 a lot more simply because of the numbers game and defenses trying to account for Daniels' legs.

Appreciate the input! I simply watch zero college football so my impressions come from stats, draft profiles/rankings, and highlight reels which leaves much to be desired.

Troy Franklin would compliment Rice so well!

Like rice & beans!

Yep. I have a hard time looking at other prospects with the same level of excitement. Rice and Franklin look alot to me like AJ Brown and Devonta Smith in Philly. Add in a nice slot option like Mooney and you have a pretty good looking set of receivers.

Franklin seems like an easy plug-and-play replacement for all the deep overs, posts, and crossers KC likes to run.

And I like Mooney a BUNCH as a complementary Z type.

Someone sell me on Mooney. Doesn't move my needle.

Now Hollywood Brown.....I can dig that.

I mean, in his first two seasons, which were with Nagy, he had 61-631-4 and 81-1055-4. He's 5'10" 180 and runs a 4.38. So basically, a much better version of Hardman.

Since Nagy left, the Bears haven't used him worth a shit.

Ok, I'm sold.

I dunno about paying him 16 plus mil ayear though.

Where did that number come from? 3/30-ish is probably the ceiling, I'm thinking. An MVS-like deal that maybe isn't quite so backloaded.

I figured he'd get something close to 15 just due to inflation at the WR spot.