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staylor26 03-21-2023 09:52 AM

He's certainly a darkhorse and somebody that would make the list if I were to add a few more.

The Franchise 03-21-2023 10:12 AM

Jeremiah has us taking McDonald in his latest mock.

DJ's left nut 03-21-2023 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16867209)
He's certainly a darkhorse and somebody that would make the list if I were to add a few more.

I just can't convince myself he'd be the best available option at that spot and that role.

Like, what should make me like him more than Hall? Foskey? Carter? White?

You could convince me to put him ahead of McDonald (mass) and Adebawore or Ojulari (height).

But take those guys out of it and I've still got nine edge rushers ahead of him.

Anderson, Wilson, Murphy, Smith, VanNess, White, Hall, Foskey and Carter.

Obviously at least 4-5 of those guys are gone by the time we pick, but all 9 of 'em won't be. So who among those should I be putting him ahead of and why? And again, that's just hand-waiving McDonald, Ojulari and Adebawore outright and truthfully, I'm not really willing to do so - I'm just playing devil's advocate right now.

I just can't get there with Felix. I don't see it. And Kiper's "Well I wanted to get him in here somewhere..." doesn't tell me he's done a hell of a lot of analysis in his pick here. "Chiefs need an edge and I wanted to make this edge fit so BAM"

Mecca 03-21-2023 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16867124)
I don’t understand the hype for Mazi Smith. Sure he’s strong and athletic as hell with a reported 4.41 shuttle and 6.96 3 cone, but the guy has 6 career TFL’s and 1 sack….in college.

Bro you lined up next to Aidan Hutchinson and David Ojabo and still didn’t have any real production or wow plays?

Big red flag for me.

Michigan also had him in this weird ****in squatty potty lookin stance all the time which I don't get but it certainly showed how strong his arms are and his hand work.

JPH83 03-21-2023 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16867251)
I just can't convince myself he'd be the best available option at that spot and that role.

Like, what should make me like him more than Hall? Foskey? Carter? White?

You could convince me to put him ahead of McDonald (mass) and Adebawore or Ojulari (height).

But take those guys out of it and I've still got nine edge rushers ahead of him.

Anderson, Wilson, Murphy, Smith, VanNess, White, Hall, Foskey and Carter.

Obviously at least 4-5 of those guys are gone by the time we pick, but all 9 of 'em won't be. So who among those should I be putting him ahead of and why? And again, that's just hand-waiving McDonald, Ojulari and Adebawore outright and truthfully, I'm not really willing to do so - I'm just playing devil's advocate right now.

I just can't get there with Felix. I don't see it. And Kiper's "Well I wanted to get him in here somewhere..." doesn't tell me he's done a hell of a lot of analysis in his pick here. "Chiefs need an edge and I wanted to make this edge fit so BAM"

Bend and moves. Hall is as stiff as a board. White isn't much better. Carter needs a year in a weights room. Not saying I'd pick Felix above them all but he has plenty that those guys don't have I think.

raybec 4 03-21-2023 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16867205)
Mel Kiper has us taking Anudike-Uzomah in his latest mock draft.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New ESPN mock draft this morning from Mel Kiper Jr. has the champs taking the king �� <a href="https://t.co/LVrmWjVJOC">pic.twitter.com/LVrmWjVJOC</a></p>&mdash; Tyler Dreiling (@TylerDreiling) <a href="https://twitter.com/TylerDreiling/status/1638203200166588417?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Kiper wanted to put him on the list somewhere....what the hell?

O.city 03-27-2023 09:58 AM

If Darnell Wright is on the board at 31.....I find it very tough and unlikely for them not to pick him.

The Franchise 03-27-2023 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16877453)
If Darnell Wright is on the board at 31.....I find it very tough and unlikely for them not to pick him.

Not sure the validity of it but they've now visited with him twice.

RunKC 03-27-2023 10:33 AM

Yup. Best option at tackle. He’s not gonna make it to us unfortunately

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tennessee RT Darnell Wright is in KC. Team visit with the Chiefs? <a href="https://t.co/e4EncLesrB">pic.twitter.com/e4EncLesrB</a></p>&mdash; Billy M (@BillyM_91) <a href="https://twitter.com/BillyM_91/status/1640373872691126278?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 27, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

staylor26 03-27-2023 10:38 AM

Yea, I don't see the Steelers passing on Wright. He's a perfect fit there.

DJ's left nut 03-27-2023 10:41 AM

I think he might.

Many teams don't have him as a LT long-term and it's not often you see teams taking RTs in the 1st. I can't imagine anyone in the top 20 would, anyway. You've gotta think the Chargers would go WR over RT, likewise with the Giants. The Ravens might be an option. Vikings and Jags are probably looking at help on defense. The Saints are way too far away to bother with a RT there. I don't imagine the Eagles would use a 1st on a RT when they're in a window to win a championship and have Lane Johnson.

So Ravens and Bills? Maybe the Bengals if they deal Jonah Williams?

I dunno - it's certainly not definite. Especially if someone like Harrison slipped into the 20s a bit and Cincy or Buffalo preferred his athleticism and potential in pass pro or at LT long-term. Or Buffalo decides to go elsewhere and ride with Spencer Brown/David Quessenberry again.

He could absolutely make it to 31.

DJ's left nut 03-27-2023 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16877521)
Yea, I don't see the Steelers passing on Wright. He's a perfect fit there.

They'd have to believe he can play LT, then. And yeah, he very well might be able to.

But I don't think they'll take him at 17 if they aren't confident in that. I wonder if they wouldn't trade down into the mid-late 20s and try to get him, though.

RunKC 03-27-2023 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16877527)
They'd have to believe he can play LT, then. And yeah, he very well might be able to.

But I don't think they'll take him at 17 if they aren't confident in that. I wonder if they wouldn't trade down into the mid-late 20s and try to get him, though.

I agree with Staylor that he seems like a perfect fit for them. However if he does fall to around 25 I’d trade up to leap frog the Bengals to get him.

I think he’s gonna be that good

DJ's left nut 03-27-2023 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16877530)
I agree with Staylor that he seems like a perfect fit for them. However if he does fall to around 25 I’d trade up to leap frog the Bengals to get him.

I think he’s gonna be that good

It sure would be a load off, wouldn't it?

It's why I kinda keep circling back to an OT in the first if Wright or Harrison are available. Just locking those bookends in place for 4 years after the last couple years of hand-wringing would sure level the wings a bit.

O.city 03-27-2023 10:57 AM

You gotta figure you're gonna be losing both guards in the next year or two.

You could keep Creed and surround your two new guards with good C's and T's and that should be fine?

RunKC 03-27-2023 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16877531)
It sure would be a load off, wouldn't it?

It's why I kinda keep circling back to an OT in the first if Wright or Harrison are available. Just locking those bookends in place for 4 years after the last couple years of hand-wringing would sure level the wings a bit.

You look at someone like Russell Wilson and see his body starting to break. The injuries are piling up for him.

Solidifying the OL should be priority numero uno after your QB has had a knee issue, toe issue and ankle issue in 3/5 years starting

JPH83 03-27-2023 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16877531)
It sure would be a load off, wouldn't it?

It's why I kinda keep circling back to an OT in the first if Wright or Harrison are available. Just locking those bookends in place for 4 years after the last couple years of hand-wringing would sure level the wings a bit.

I hate losing out on a 1sr round DE when it feels a deep year, but yeah, I'm kinda thinking the same. If Harrison is there then it's hard to pass. Wright I dunno, might take my chances later on or try and move up in the 2nd. I REALLY wanted to like this year's WR because man I want to find weapons, but sometimes you've got to take what you're given. I'm probably looking at WR from the 3rd pick.

Mecca 03-27-2023 12:07 PM

If you run mocks and honestly just watch how it plays it time and time again, if the Chiefs aren't going WR in the 1st round people are going to be disappointed with that position.

staylor26 03-27-2023 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16877740)
If you run mocks and honestly just watch how it plays it time and time again, if the Chiefs aren't going WR in the 1st round people are going to be disappointed with that position.

Probably, but who cares?

I don't want the Chiefs to draft for need. They can get a WR on day 2.

Mecca 03-27-2023 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16877752)
Probably, but who cares?

I don't want the Chiefs to draft for need. They can get a WR on day 2.

Yea but it really falls off, basically after Jaylin Hyatt there is a pretty large dropoff in the talent level of those guys.

Like I don't think AT Perry or Johnathan Mingo are day 1 contributors because they don't come from pro friendly schemes.

staylor26 03-27-2023 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16877756)
Yea but it really falls off, basically after Jaylin Hyatt there is a pretty large dropoff in the talent level of those guys.

Like I don't think AT Perry or Johnathan Mingo are day 1 contributors because they don't come from pro friendly schemes.

I don't think they have to be day 1 contributors. The Chiefs will add a vet one way or another to go with MVS/Skyy/Toney.

If Hyatt is sitting there at 31, I probably take him barring Wright, Harrison, or an EDGE like Murphy falling into their laps.

Mecca 03-27-2023 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16877761)
I don't think they have to be day 1 contributors. The Chiefs will add a vet one way or another to go with MVS/Skyy/Toney.

The whole thing gets kinda eh to me, like Rashee Rice isn't bad but he overlaps quite a bit with Skyy Moore in what they do. The best hope is someone drops a bit further than expected but if the Chiefs are sitting there choosing between like Dawand Jones and Jaylin Hyatt I'd probably go Hyatt.

JPH83 03-27-2023 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16877740)
If you run mocks and honestly just watch how it plays it time and time again, if the Chiefs aren't going WR in the 1st round people are going to be disappointed with that position.

I think that's going to be even more true for RT when we're trotting out Niang and hoping a guy develops reeeeal fast.

Mecca 03-27-2023 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 16877768)
I think that's going to be even more true for RT when we're trotting out Niang and hoping a guy develops reeeeal fast.

So you're on the Dawand Jones wagon huh?

DJ's left nut 03-27-2023 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16877765)
The whole thing gets kinda eh to me, like Rashee Rice isn't bad but he overlaps quite a bit with Skyy Moore in what they do. The best hope is someone drops a bit further than expected but if the Chiefs are sitting there choosing between like Dawand Jones and Jaylin Hyatt I'd probably go Hyatt.

See I actually see Rice being more like Hyatt than almost anyone in the draft.

I don't see him as being like Moore - just a lower profile Hyatt.

If I could get my favorite DE prospect or one of those 'attainable' 1st round OT prospects in the 1st and then get Rice in the 2nd, I'd be a pretty happy panda.

Mecca 03-27-2023 12:33 PM

I think Xavier Smith could be an interesting late target, he's 5'9 but he's incredibly fast and versatile even though he's from a small school.

Dunerdr 03-27-2023 12:41 PM

I hate to say it but the more i think about Veach may be pretty happy with Niang and Taylor as starting tackles. Barring a major fail i think that pair needs less help than Brown and Wylie got down the stretch. Ive been talking myself out of tackle more and more at 31.

The Franchise 03-27-2023 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16877793)
See I actually see Rice being more like Hyatt than almost anyone in the draft.

I don't see him as being like Moore - just a lower profile Hyatt.

If I could get my favorite DE prospect or one of those 'attainable' 1st round OT prospects in the 1st and then get Rice in the 2nd, I'd be a pretty happy panda.

With the way this offseason has been going based off of your posts....this might just happen.

O.city 03-27-2023 12:45 PM

Next years WR class is the one you take a guy high in IMO.

DJ's left nut 03-27-2023 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16877832)
With the way this offseason has been going based off of your posts....this might just happen.

I'd be pretty surprised if I walked away from this draft too ornery. But then again, I don't think I walked away from the LAST draft too ornery (think I graded it a B+) and the consensus is still that I hated it so it is what it is.

There are a lot of possibilities and a lot of depth. I think we'll thread the needle pretty well whatever direction we go.

Unless we take a 1st round RB...:p

The Franchise 03-27-2023 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16877843)
I'd be pretty surprised if I walked away from this draft too ornery. But then again, I don't think I walked away from the LAST draft too ornery (think I graded it a B+) and the consensus is still that I hated it so it is what it is.

There are a lot of possibilities and a lot of depth. I think we'll thread the needle pretty well whatever direction we go.

Unless we take a 1st round RB...:p

There are a couple of positions where I'd scratch my head...but at this point...I don't see myself getting all up in arms about what Veach does.

O.city 03-27-2023 12:53 PM

Gibbs is gonna be really really good though.

DJ's left nut 03-27-2023 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16877850)
There are a couple of positions where I'd scratch my head...but at this point...I don't see myself getting all up in arms about what Veach does.

Kincaid in the 1st would actually genuinely irritate the shit out of me.

But the reason I don't think I'll be irritated is I just don't see it happening. There were all sorts of lunatic scenarios thrown around last year as well that I didn't see as realistic possibilities that would've annoyed me greatly - none of them happened.

I don't suspect they will this year either.

JPH83 03-27-2023 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16877777)
So you're on the Dawand Jones wagon huh?

Noooo. Look I'm not saying take any RT at 31, I'm saying I think there are better WR options back of the 2nd or 3rd then at RT, and that our RT situation is worse than our WR one

Mecca 03-27-2023 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 16877894)
Noooo. Look I'm not saying take any RT at 31, I'm saying I think there are better WR options back of the 2nd or 3rd then at RT, and that our RT situation is worse than our WR one

Then who are you wanting to go with because odds are the rest of those guys are gone.

JPH83 03-27-2023 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16877793)
See I actually see Rice being more like Hyatt than almost anyone in the draft.

I don't see him as being like Moore - just a lower profile Hyatt.

If I could get my favorite DE prospect or one of those 'attainable' 1st round OT prospects in the 1st and then get Rice in the 2nd, I'd be a pretty happy panda.

Man i do not see the similarities, although being snide Hyatt's 40 time makes him much closer to Rice than I imagined. What are you thinking are the comparisons what am I missing?

RunKC 03-27-2023 01:19 PM

It certainly seems like Andy has converted the offense to the one he had in Philly where he utilized the RB and TE far more than the receivers. We saw that with McKinnon and Kelce.

Just don’t see a WR prospect being as good as one of the tackles or DL.

I like Hyatt but not in the first rd. We’ll see

Mecca 03-27-2023 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16877932)
It certainly seems like Andy has converted the offense to the one he had in Philly where he utilized the RB and TE far more than the receivers. We saw that with McKinnon and Kelce.

Just don’t see a WR prospect being as good as one of the tackles or DL.

I like Hyatt but not in the first rd. We’ll see

The absolute lowest he'll go is like 38 so uhh.

Couch-Potato 03-27-2023 01:24 PM

DE I. Foskey
DT M. Smith
OT D. Wright
WR J. Hyatt
RB J. Gibbs

Mecca 03-27-2023 01:30 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh Downs MOVING on the three-cone drill. �� <br><br>Heard from one scout: <br><br>“The fastest I’ve seen.” <a href="https://t.co/bK64NG24jv">pic.twitter.com/bK64NG24jv</a></p>&mdash; Travon Miles (@TrayABC11) <a href="https://twitter.com/TrayABC11/status/1640356903715762176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 27, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

DJ's left nut 03-27-2023 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 16877907)
Man i do not see the similarities, although being snide Hyatt's 40 time makes him much closer to Rice than I imagined. What are you thinking are the comparisons what am I missing?

Both are longer guys with outstanding deep speed but questionable get-off. I think Hyatt may have a little more top end but I think Rice might have better ball skills.

Both guys are threats to house it if you get them in space or they find a seem.

Moore is a guy who I think wins in a phonebooth to find a little space, not unlike Flowers or Downs, who will then struggle to pull away. I think Hyatt and Rice are the exact opposite. They are likely better served to play off the line or in a complementary role where you can scheme them a more free release and get them a little room to either catch and run or turn on the afterburners and track a ball down.

Mecca 03-27-2023 01:46 PM

Downs is the weird one for me he's a late 1 early 2 guy who I'm just so unsure on.

DJ's left nut 03-27-2023 01:50 PM

Huh - Rice timed at 4.5 eh?

Man, that sees off to me. He just looks MUCH faster than that to me. Just looking at his combine results though, the stopwatch makes him look more like Moore than Hyatt with that explosive 10 yard split and 4.5 40.

That's just not what I've seen. Odd; isn't terribly often my eyes tell me something completely different from the stopwatch. Interdasting...

JPH83 03-27-2023 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16878017)
Huh - Rice timed at 4.5 eh?

Man, that sees off to me. He just looks MUCH faster than that to me. Just looking at his combine results though, the stopwatch makes him look more like Moore than Hyatt with that explosive 10 yard split and 4.5 40.

That's just not what I've seen. Odd; isn't terribly often my eyes tell me something completely different from the stopwatch. Interdasting...

That is EXACTLY the guy I've seen. I'm surprised by his 10 to be honest. I just don't see any speed to be excited about. He's Juju. A big bodied reliable catcher over the middle who gets minimal separation. Valuable but absolutely nothing special athletically.

Mecca 03-27-2023 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 16878292)
That is EXACTLY the guy I've seen. I'm surprised by his 10 to be honest. I just don't see any speed to be excited about. He's Juju. A big bodied reliable catcher over the middle who gets minimal separation. Valuable but absolutely nothing special athletically.

Do you like Josh Downs?

chiefforlife 03-27-2023 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16877548)
You gotta figure you're gonna be losing both guards in the next year or two.

You could keep Creed and surround your two new guards with good C's and T's and that should be fine?

I have been secretly hoping Vorhees is our pick in the 5th. He would go much higher if not for the injury. Our chance to get a top IOL later in the draft and we have the time to let him heal.

This could be our eventual Thuney replacement!! In a year or two...

JPH83 03-28-2023 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16878294)
Do you like Josh Downs?

I do quite like him. To be honest the only guys I like are, I think, exclusive slot guys - Flowers, JSN, Dell, Downs - it's the shifty guys who gain early separation that look to me like they'll produce. The problem is I don't know if those are a primary need. I have little doubt we'd make use of them though.

I'm not saying there's not talent to be found outside of these, Hyatt and Scott have enough long speed to be interesting, Rice looks like a solid possession receiver, Johnston could be the real deal, Mims, Tillman, Palmer and so on. I just have more questions around them.

Couch-Potato 03-28-2023 08:48 PM

DE White/Foskey
DT Breese/Smith
OT Wright/Jones
WR Hyatt/Flowers
RB Robinson/Gibbs

staylor26 04-11-2023 02:08 PM

Updated list.

Probably the final one.

DJ's left nut 04-11-2023 02:13 PM

I think I'd take Jones off that list at this point.

I just figure if there's a run on WRs and OT, there's gonna be a WR I like better. Or OT and DE, there will be a WR.

I'm really settling in around 4 guys:

White
Harrison
Wright
Hyatt

I'd just be kinda surprised if all 4 of them are gone. It's by no means impossible, but I don't think it's likely.

staylor26 04-11-2023 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16898342)
I think I'd take Jones off that list at this point.

I just figure if there's a run on WRs and OT, there's gonna be a WR I like better. Or OT and DE, there will be a WR.

I'm really settling in around 4 guys:

White
Harrison
Wright
Hyatt

I'd just be kinda surprised if all 4 of them are gone. It's by no means impossible, but I don't think it's likely.

I actually meant to take Jones off but forgot. Thanks for reminding me. Mazi took his place.

DJ's left nut 04-11-2023 02:26 PM

I really don't know what it means, but most years I'm gradually expanding my list of 1st rounders I'd get excited about.

This year I'm paring it back as the draft approaches, with the caveat that it doesn't include guys who I don't expect to be there like Murphy, Smith or even Robinson.

Mostly I just really want Rashee Rice in the 2nd.

Mecca 04-11-2023 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16898369)
I really don't know what it means, but most years I'm gradually expanding my list of 1st rounders I'd get excited about.

This year I'm paring it back as the draft approaches, with the caveat that it doesn't include guys who I don't expect to be there like Murphy, Smith or even Robinson.

Mostly I just really want Rashee Rice in the 2nd.

There aren't a ton of flashy guys is probably why.

Coogs 04-11-2023 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16898351)
I actually meant to take Jones off but forgot. Thanks for reminding me. Mazi took his place.

Which Jones did you take off? Broderick or Dewand.

I'm starting to buy in to the taking a RT at 31 crowd. Dewand would seem like a good fit there.

Chris Meck 04-12-2023 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16898369)
I really don't know what it means, but most years I'm gradually expanding my list of 1st rounders I'd get excited about.

This year I'm paring it back as the draft approaches, with the caveat that it doesn't include guys who I don't expect to be there like Murphy, Smith or even Robinson.

Mostly I just really want Rashee Rice in the 2nd.

I don't understand how the guys who LOVE Deandre Hopkins aren't all over the Rice train.

staylor26 04-12-2023 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16898369)
I really don't know what it means, but most years I'm gradually expanding my list of 1st rounders I'd get excited about.

This year I'm paring it back as the draft approaches, with the caveat that it doesn't include guys who I don't expect to be there like Murphy, Smith or even Robinson.

Mostly I just really want Rashee Rice in the 2nd.

Bijan?

I was wondering how many people on here would take him if he fell to 31.

I know I would.

staylor26 04-28-2023 12:26 AM

Only 4 of these guys were available at 31, and the Chiefs took one.

DJ's left nut 04-28-2023 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16877832)
With the way this offseason has been going based off of your posts....this might just happen.

You weren't jokin'...


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