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OKchiefs 12-11-2022 10:47 PM

Chiefs are clearly missing Hardman/Toney. Last week MVS had 2 for 71, rest of the WRs were invisible. This week Juju caught 9 balls but the rest of the WRs had like 3 catches combined. Skyy Moore was as invisible as always. They need some speed, hopefully Hardman/Toney stay healthy and return soon.

Pitt Gorilla 12-11-2022 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 16662394)
I never really believed in the "some people will never be happy" narrative before Mahomes.

I now firmly believe it.


Shit, this guy isn't perfect all the time? **** 'em, walk home.

Yeah, who was the bundle of sticks who wanted Pat to walk home?

rabblerouser 12-11-2022 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 16662394)
I never really believed in the "some people will never be happy" narrative before Mahomes.

I now firmly believe it.


Shit, this guy isn't perfect all the time? **** 'em, walk home.

I honestly put the interceptions on the offensive coaching staff more than Mahomes. Patrick was attempting to execute the plays he was told to run against a defense that was making our Oline look STUPID.

27-0...and let's not forget the DEFENSE scored one of those TDs.

The defense was KILLING the Broncos until STUPID play calling and lack of coaching adjustment led to Mahomes being put in a shit position that hung the defense out to dry.

That's on the offensive coaches.

rabblerouser 12-11-2022 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 16662426)
Yeah, who was the bundle of sticks who wanted Pat to walk home?

A butt****ing moran.

cdcox 12-11-2022 11:44 PM

What Trey Smith did to the Broncos on this page is just wrong.


rabblerouser 12-12-2022 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 16662502)
What Trey Smith did to the Broncos on this page is just wrong.


This line is MADE for screens and power running.

Get those guards pulling and trapping like they used to for Priest, Jet and Pacheco would ****ing FEAST.

Katie 12-12-2022 12:49 AM

Burton
 
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 16661326)
Really needed to run the ball with Pacheco more. That's sort of the root of it, IMO. Oh, and perhaps get Burton off the team so Andy can't give him the ball. Ever.

Didn’t they call a time out before he ran the ball? Did not everyone in the world know he was getting the ball?

Rainbarrel 12-12-2022 06:20 AM

The bruised foot may have a partial role

chiefzilla1501 12-12-2022 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 16662423)
Chiefs are clearly missing Hardman/Toney. Last week MVS had 2 for 71, rest of the WRs were invisible. This week Juju caught 9 balls but the rest of the WRs had like 3 catches combined. Skyy Moore was as invisible as always. They need some speed, hopefully Hardman/Toney stay healthy and return soon.

People are way too comfortable with our WR room. Our all world QB and Hof head coach cover some of these warts. Our receivers disappear in way longer stretches than I'm comfortable with

Bwana 12-12-2022 07:35 AM

JJ should have been ejected on this little stunt.


<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ht" dir="ltr">Wow, Jerry Jeudy<a href="https://t.co/Gs8xQF73Va">pic.twitter.com/Gs8xQF73Va</a></p>&mdash; Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1602080134328160261?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

Chris Meck 12-12-2022 07:51 AM

3 picks. Can't do that. It's really that simple.

RedRaider56 12-12-2022 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 16662632)
JJ should have been ejected on this little stunt.


<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ht" dir="ltr">Wow, Jerry Jeudy<a href="https://t.co/Gs8xQF73Va">pic.twitter.com/Gs8xQF73Va</a></p>&mdash; Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1602080134328160261?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

at a minimum needs a penalty, as there is a rule against taking your helmet off

ThaVirus 12-12-2022 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 16661582)
I think it's really that just they lost focus on both sides of the ball once they got up big. That shouldn't happen but it did. Had a stretch where the defense went to sleep and Mahomes was making some really poor decisions to put the defense right back on the field. There was a stretch at the end of the 2nd and beginning of the 3rd where we had 3-4 straight drives that were under 2 minutes long.

At one point, the Broncos were on a 21-0 run in just 5 minutes of game time.

That doesn't happen unless both phases are playing in quicksand.

Chris Meck 12-12-2022 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16662663)
At one point, the Broncos were on a 21-0 run in just 5 minutes of game time.

That doesn't happen unless both phases are playing in quicksand.

Yep. We literally played like 55 minutes of pretty dominant football.

But zoned out and phoned in about 5 minutes.

Coochie liquor 12-12-2022 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 16662284)
Pat could piss on you and you would swear it is raining

He had a shit game after a good start. A shit game. He threw bad passes behind people, threw them too hard, and made bad decisions.

Sorry if you don't like it

I’d love to see you operate behind the OL (tackles I’m looking at you) and not get hurried.

Red Dawg 12-12-2022 08:46 AM

Win is a win. Was not pretty as it looked like it was going to be but who cares. We won and have another road game to go before we come home. I doubt anyone in Dallas is bitching about barely winning against the crap team they barely beat.

wazu 12-12-2022 08:47 AM

Just occurring to me that the Chiefs didn't cover the spread. Can't imagine how that would have felt if I'd had money on them and was looking at a 27-0 score near end of first half. Ouch!

kysirsoze 12-12-2022 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 16662679)
Just occurring to me that the Chiefs didn't cover the spread. Can't imagine how that would have felt if I'd had money on them and was looking at a 27-0 score near end of first half. Ouch!

I don't keep track, but it feels like the Chiefs are ****ing awful vs the spread. They just hate putting bad teams away.

Why Not? 12-12-2022 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 16662679)
Just occurring to me that the Chiefs didn't cover the spread. Can't imagine how that would have felt if I'd had money on them and was looking at a 27-0 score near end of first half. Ouch!

It would have been unwise to lay that many points on a divisional rival on the road. It hopefully serves as a lesson to those who did bet it. Throw the Chiefs money line on your parlays to get a boost. Or tease it down to Chiefs -3

dirk digler 12-12-2022 08:57 AM

Definitely needs to walk home

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I was going to write about Pacheco tomorrow, but I need to write about Mahomes first. Because we&#39;ve started to normalize what he does and I can&#39;t let that happen. <br><br>LOOK at this. He did this on an off day! <a href="https://t.co/vIMqa4CuyE">pic.twitter.com/vIMqa4CuyE</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1602160438896168963?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 12, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

King_Chief_Fan 12-12-2022 08:58 AM

what went wrong?
offense sputtered
defense was missing
coaching
Spags is still coaching the defense

Chris Meck 12-12-2022 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16662629)
People are way too comfortable with our WR room. Our all world QB and Hof head coach cover some of these warts. Our receivers disappear in way longer stretches than I'm comfortable with

I don't think anybody is comfortable with anything, other than Andy Reid and Mahomes give us a good chance every week.

There's this thing called the salary cap, and this other thing called the draft, where the worst teams get to pick first 7 times while the best teams pick last. It's all designed to keep the games competitive. It's kind of a cool system, you should look into it.

All teams have weaknesses, and good ones have strong points, and great ones have players that can overcome.

If you try to tell me that in April you'd be really pissed that we're 10-3 and just beat the Broncos in Denver in a close game, I'll call bullshit.

RunKC 12-12-2022 09:03 AM

Offense is scoring 24-28 a game and we don’t have Hardman or Toney back.

You guys realize how much better the offense will ne with both of them back?

Chris Meck 12-12-2022 09:08 AM

Man, they got up 27-0 and lost focus for about 5 minutes of game play. They had one foot on the plane. Mahomes got sloppy, the defense lost focus, and Donks scored 21 points in 5 minutes.

The other 55, Chiefs dominated.

There's really no need to freak out.

crayzkirk 12-12-2022 09:12 AM

These guys are professional athletes and human; while I was never at that level, I can relate what happens when everything is easy and working from my bowling experience. Everything is easy, the team just smoked the other team by over 100 pins. Strikes and spares are routine. The next game starts, the team opens the first frame and the other team gets strikes and spares. Uh oh, they are coming back. Suddenly, everything that seems so easy isn't happening. Spares are missed, strikes turn into solid 10 pins and the other team is gaining ground.

Once you lose that focus, it's hard to get it back. It's hard to explain because the focus was just 'there' and when it was gone, it's GONE. You can't just wish it back. The harder you try, the worse things get.

Or anyone that plays golf; some days, everything is working great and then you feel like you've never played this damn game. Momentum is a real thing.

RunKC 12-12-2022 09:15 AM

What really worries me is the “because Chiefs” bullshit they pull on themselves.

The Chiefs have beaten themselves so many times in the Andy Reid era. They get up big on an opponent and then get overconfident.

Yesterday reminded me an awful lot of our debacles. Indy and Titans with Alex, Bengals with Mahomes last year.

Yesterday reminded me so much of the AFCCG. It’s almost like I don’t want us to be up big.
I feel safer being down 10 points rather than being up big

jettio 12-12-2022 09:22 AM

Not much went wrong. A win on the road with no major injuries is a good day.

Why the game became close was Broncos rallied because they have pride and even if they players may think Hackett is not HC material, they rallied behind him.

The DC, Ejiro Evero, was college teammates with Hackett and players seem to play hard for him.

NFL games can always become close games if a team is not giving up and playing hard and that DPI call against McDuffie was a gift from the official to a home team getting its ass kicked.

Even Russell Wilson showed some heart and ran for that first down when he knew it was risking injury.

Jerry Jeudy showed something and that was a nice throw by Rypien on that TD on 4th down.

Chiefs rookie DBs got beat on a couple plays, and the screen pass to Mack was the perfect call for the blitz the Chiefs ran. Could question why they ran that specific blitz, but it was no big deal in the big picture.

crayzkirk 12-12-2022 09:22 AM

Plus I believe the defense got winded; anyone who has gone snow skiing and gotten out of breath knows that it's like. It takes time to recover; especially when you aren't used to it. These are big men, exerting themselves and using a lot of oxygen.

jettio 12-12-2022 09:32 AM

Chiefs beat reporters are annoying sissies.

They must feel like the Chiefs fans that will pay to get behind paywalls are the worry warts that do not know much about tackle football as it is played in the National Football League.

IMO, telling that Andy Reid was mellow as could be compared to the bullshit worry about everything shit the reporters wrote after the game.

Game was like Miami in 2020, Chiefs win relatively easy with 1.5 great quarters of great play and other team having some good moments playing really hard and Mahomes flips his MVP odds because of 3 interceptions. All three interceptions were super plays by the defenders.

Mahomes has to win by 2 places to get MVP, even though Hurts is actually earning it considering his role on a 12-1 team.

chiefzilla1501 12-12-2022 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16662698)
I don't think anybody is comfortable with anything, other than Andy Reid and Mahomes give us a good chance every week.

There's this thing called the salary cap, and this other thing called the draft, where the worst teams get to pick first 7 times while the best teams pick last. It's all designed to keep the games competitive. It's kind of a cool system, you should look into it.

All teams have weaknesses, and good ones have strong points, and great ones have players that can overcome.

If you try to tell me that in April you'd be really pissed that we're 10-3 and just beat the Broncos in Denver in a close game, I'll call bullshit.

I understand where we are and am not mad at it. We intended to have a WR1 but the timing of Tyreek getting poached made it impossible. I personally thought this was a transition year and that any success is just gravy.

But if we're going to prioritize why is giving mahomes weapons last on the list? What we've seen this year is that defenses are finding ways to get after Kelce. They're spying mahomes to keep him in the pocket. They're playing man on our WRs like never before. And it's not like we're doing this cheaply. We are talking about juju getting $20m+ to be big but not fast and $10m to mvs to be fast but no good against press, while other teams give $30m to one dude who can do both without disappearing. We are at a point where we need to start seeing returns from skyy.

Again I am fine with where we are now. But next season when we pick our spots getting mahomes a weapon can't be priority Z. Juju and mvs have been too inconsistent lately to rely on.

notorious 12-12-2022 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16662701)
Offense is scoring 24-28 a game and we don’t have Hardman or Toney back.

You guys realize how much better the offense will ne with both of them back?

Just about the same.

TEX 12-12-2022 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 16662837)
Just about the same.

I think we have really missed Hardman.

Direckshun 12-12-2022 10:22 AM

The Chiefs went up 27-0 and let up.

I know guys on this board have been on competitive sports teams before.

I have, and when you're having your way with a team, just beating the brakes off them, you know it.

It's not unthinkable to let up, when you don't feel like you have to go 100%.

Broncos crept back in, but the defense held when they had to and the offense scored when they had to.

BlackOp 12-12-2022 10:34 AM

Chiefs are "blessed with curse" of being the highest scoring offense in the NFL...with an all-universe QB.

What does this mean? It means they are almost always going to be favored...and the majority of gambling money will be placed on them.

This traps them in a financial box...if KC is favored by 5 points and all the bets are coming in on them, they have a 4 point margin in which they have to work.

Vegas hates teams like KC...would rather everyone be the Titans...where they can go either direction on a given week without anyone batting an eye. The NFL striving for "parity" isn't motivated by what most people think it is...

The good news is the Bengals have beaten KC 3 straight times...and the Bills also beat them earlier this season. This could play out big in the post-season as KC might be the underdog...which gives them the wiggle room to score at will...as long as the money isnt grossly lopsided on them.

KC's "hot and cold" streaks are spread driven...it's not that they are bored or uninterested.

KC had an 8.5 point window to work with yesterday...how many times have you ever seen Mahomes throw into quadruple coverage? That 3rd INT protected the spread. They were up by 6 and even a FG kills millions for Vegas..

That late PF against Jones against the Colts protected the spread...

MahomesMagic 12-12-2022 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 16662874)
Chiefs are "blessed with curse" of being the highest scoring offense in the NFL...with an all-universe QB.

What does this mean? It means they are almost always going to be favored...and the majority of gambling money will be placed on them.

This traps them in a financial box...if KC is favored by 5 points and all the bets are coming in on them, they have a 4 point margin in which they have to work.

Vegas hates teams like KC...would rather everyone be the Titans...where they can go either direction on a given week without anyone batting an eye.

The good news is the Bengals have beaten KC 3 straight times...and the Bills also beat them earlier this season. This could play out big in the post-season as KC might be the underdog...which gives them the wiggle room to score at will...as long as the money is grossly on them.

KC's "hot and cold" streaks are spread driven...it's not that they are bored or uninterested.

KC had an 8.5 point window to work with yesterday...how many times have you ever seen Mahomes throw into quadruple coverage? That 3rd INT protected the spread. They were up by 6 and even a FG kills millions for Vegas..

Vegas wanted people to take the under yesterday.

Which is why I thought the over was going to be the bet on that game and even had pushback on the Broncos scoring 20.

BlackOp 12-12-2022 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 16662893)
Vegas wanted people to take the under yesterday.

Which is why I thought the over was going to be the bet on that game and even had pushback on the Broncos scoring 20.

That 3rd and one call...to the fullback was humorous.

Everyone and their mother knew that was potentially the play...call the most predictable short-yardage play at a crucial moment? They've used that at least a dozen times in the past..

You'll also notice the Mahomes stops running and starts taking sacks...There was a play in the AFCCG where he had an easy 1st...he actually scrambled to the LOS, stopped, danced around then got sacked. There was nothing but green grass in front of him...it was very strange and out of character....as was the 3rd INT yesterday.

Mecca 12-12-2022 11:01 AM

That fullback dive play hasn't worked at all this year.

rabblerouser 12-12-2022 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RedRaider56 (Post 16662645)
at a minimum needs a penalty, as there is a rule against taking your helmet off

Also one against touching the officials.

Don't know why none of those penalties got called?

You can't say "they musta missed it" or "how could they not call that!?"

Those obvious penalties are intentionally not called.

We can all agree on THAT much...

rabblerouser 12-12-2022 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 16662947)

You'll also notice the Mahomes stops running and starts taking sacks...There was a play in the AFCCG where he had an easy 1st...he actually scrambled to the LOS, stopped, danced around then got sacked. There was nothing but green grass in front of him...it was very strange and out of character....as was the 3rd INT yesterday.

On that same play, or maybe ANOTHER one in the same game where Mahomes had a wide open swath of field in front of him, he could've either ran for the 1st down...or flipped a TD to a wide open Kelce in the end zone, a throw Mahomes and Kelce have made a hundred times already...

It's the truth.

Mahomes is either a terrible actor or he's trolling the NFL, because when he 'makes mistakes' he looks like he's never played QB before.

Except at the end of the AFC Championship Game vs the Bengals...when Patrick unleased that pass in the OT period and Tyreek straight volleyed it into the air like he was setting it for the Bengals defender that picked it at 13 seconds into the OT period.

You can't make this shit up.

Megatron96 12-12-2022 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16662949)
That fullback dive play hasn't worked at all this year.

? I'm pretty sure it has. I distinctly remember the announcer calling out Burton's name on a FB dive. It was effective early in the season a couple times at least. it hasn't been as effective the last three or so times.

smithandrew051 12-12-2022 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16663350)
? I'm pretty sure it has. I distinctly remember the announcer calling out Burton's name on a FB dive. It was effective early in the season a couple times at least. it hasn't been as effective the last three or so times.

Unless we’re at the goal line, I’m just not a fan of short yardage offense with this team in general.

We have the best player in the game at QB. He’s a magician and he’s mobile. Just keep the ball in his hands, even on third and inches. You also have the benefit of almost every rule change benefiting the passing game. There are so many opportunities to pick up the first when Mahomes has the ball: completion, scramble, penalty, etc.

Trust Mahomes to make plays in key situations. This isn’t the 90’s anymore.

Megatron96 12-12-2022 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16663406)
Unless we’re at the goal line, I’m just not a fan of short yardage offense with this team in general.

We have the best player in the game at QB. He’s a magician and he’s mobile. Just keep the ball in his hands, even on third and inches. You also have the benefit of almost every rule change benefiting the passing game. There are so many opportunities to pick up the first when Mahomes has the ball: completion, scramble, penalty, etc.

Trust Mahomes to make plays in key situations. This isn’t the 90’s anymore.

Right. Bring back the QB sneak. It’s beyond high time.


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