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RaidersOftheCellar 05-06-2022 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Chieftain (Post 16283965)
On paper this looks to be the most balanced Chiefs team I have ever seen. There is really no gnawing weakness anywhere in the roster. IDL can be improved but it's not necessarily bad.
Many people are underselling the Chiefs but I don't see anyone in the AFC that is marginally better. This defense looks legit. They are younger, deeper and hungrier.

I don’t think they’ll have any major weaknesses, but I’d feel better if they brought in a reliable upper-tier WR (and re-signed Ingram). Until then, it’s hard to feel confident that they’ll win enough vs a brutal schedule to keep pace with Buffalo. And it may be very difficult to even win the division. The Chargers could be really tough to beat this year.

jonzie04 05-06-2022 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16284293)
The narrative that the pass rush was/is bad really needs to stop. A bad pass rushing team doesn’t finish 3rd in hurry % or 5th in pressure %. Sacks are very unpredictable and fluctuate greatly year to year.

Re-sign Ingram and they’re good to go.

I haven’t looked it up, but I’d guess were also near the top at blitz percentage. I’m guessing those overall pressures and hurries don’t take that into account?

smithandrew051 05-06-2022 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jonzie04 (Post 16284299)
I haven’t looked it up, but I’d guess were also near the top at blitz percentage. I’m guessing those overall pressures and hurries don’t take that into account?

Yeah, Chiefs we’re 8th in Blitz Percentage.

However, the top 7 in Hurry % all had a Blitz % of at least 23%.

It’s not until you get to the Eagles (8th in Hurry %), that you find a team with a significantly lower Blitz % (16.4%).

So basically, the Chiefs Blitz % is in line with the other top teams in Hurry%, Pressure %, etc, but far lower in sacks.

For whatever reason, the Chiefs pressure didn’t result in sacks like other teams at the top of these lists.

TEX 05-06-2022 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16284293)
The narrative that the pass rush was/is bad really needs to stop. A bad pass rushing team doesn’t finish 3rd in hurry % or 5th in pressure %. Sacks are very unpredictable and fluctuate greatly year to year.

Re-sign Ingram and they’re good to go.

They had to manufacture pressure, it did not come from the DL. That is the issue. When you have to manufacture it most of the time, it leaves other stuff vulnerable.

TEX 05-06-2022 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Chieftain (Post 16283965)
On paper this looks to be the most balanced Chiefs team I have ever seen. There is really no gnawing weakness anywhere in the roster. IDL can be improved but it's not necessarily bad.
Many people are underselling the Chiefs but I don't see anyone in the AFC that is marginally better. This defense looks legit. They are younger, deeper and hungrier.

Don't see how you can say that. Looks to me like the roster has a lot of question marks that must trend upwards to have success. The Chargers have a better roster and the Raiders could also. However, they both have other issues that might slow them down, but based on talent, they have more IMO.

O.city 05-06-2022 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16284445)
Don't see how you can say that. Looks to me like the roster has a lot of question marks that must trend upwards to have success. The Chargers have a better roster and the Raiders could also. However, they both have other issues that might slow them down, but based on talent, they have more IMO.

The Chargers who draft in the top 15 every year have more talent? No....

Both these teams have more known talent. They didn't just draft 10 or however many new players the Chiefs did.

RaidersOftheCellar 05-06-2022 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16284439)
They had to manufacture pressure, it did not come from the DL. That is the issue. When you have to manufacture it most of the time, it leaves other stuff vulnerable.

It's not like they're the only team that blitzes.

The Franchise 05-06-2022 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16284445)
Don't see how you can say that. Looks to me like the roster has a lot of question marks that must trend upwards to have success. The Chargers have a better roster and the Raiders could also. However, they both have other issues that might slow them down, but based on talent, they have more IMO.

That's been the argument for years.....and they still haven't done dick.

TEX 05-06-2022 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16284508)
That's been the argument for years.....and they still haven't done dick.

True, and that's exactly why I said they have other issues that could hold them back.

The Franchise 05-06-2022 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16284512)
True, and that's exactly why I said they have other issues that could hold them back.

Their defense SHOULD be better this year. That, and their coach making bonehead decisions, was their main issue last season.

We'll see if it helps them. They've always played us tough....so it doesn't really matter.

TEX 05-06-2022 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16284455)
The Chargers who draft in the top 15 every year have more talent? No....

Both these teams have more known talent. They didn't just draft 10 or however many new players the Chiefs did.

Yes. That's why I said the Chiefs players have to trend upwards. I was referring to all the new talent

TEX 05-06-2022 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16284502)
It's not like they're the only team that blitzes.

No. I get that. But they don't sack the QB when they do. Would be nice if the DL could get more pressure on their own so the rest of the defense could stay honest.

RunKC 05-06-2022 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16284519)
No. I get that. But they don't sack the QB when they do. Would be nice if the DL could get more pressure on their own so the rest of the defense could stay honest.

That’s why they drafted Karlaftis and are wanting to bring back Ingram.

Did you see this secondary and how terrible it was? Sorenson and Matheiu were slow and old, Thornhill was benched for making mistakes all the time, Ward is gone and Hughes was a disaster.

With the receivers and QB’s coming to the division we needed a secondary that wasn’t a dumpster fire

RaidersOftheCellar 05-06-2022 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16284519)
No. I get that. But they don't sack the QB when they do. Would be nice if the DL could get more pressure on their own so the rest of the defense could stay honest.

I think the sack numbers were somewhat flukey. Sack totals fluctuate wildly for even some of the best pash rushers.

You also have to consider that the pass rush got much stronger after adding Ingram and moving Jones back inside. If they'd started the year with that, I'd imagine the sack total would have been much better and the pressure rate would have been through the roof.

I'd still like to see a little more pressure without needing to blitz, but this narrative of a dogshit DL just isn't true.

suzzer99 05-06-2022 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Rasputin (Post 16284249)
I'd feel so much better for our DBs if we had another DT that could penetrate or collapse the pocket just enough to disrupt the play and give the DBs a chance to make a play on the ball if the Quarterback is under pressure.

Just for this year - move Karlaftis inside on obvious passing downs. So you have Ingram, Karlaftis, Jones, Clark. And Chenal running around in the Niemann role with the potential to blitzy from anywhere.

RaidersOftheCellar 05-06-2022 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 16284547)
Just for this year - move Karlaftis inside on obvious passing downs. So you have Ingram, Karlaftis, Jones, Clark. And Chenal running around in the Niemann role with the potential to blitzy from anywhere.

Sounds like a plan...

mabbott 05-06-2022 11:25 AM

Our linebackers got better. Our DL last year was an experiment that did not go well. They started by putting Jones outside because they thought they had brought in a solid interior through Free Agents. Once Jones was back inside and we added Ingram we were much better. Clark needs to make more of an impact, period.

Sorenson being gone immediately makes our secondary better. When you see that they replaced older slower linebackers with younger faster meaner players that should reduce the number of big plays that happened last year.

I agree with we have to wait and see how these players fit in the NFL and if they come together as a team.

I would rather add an edge rusher than another WR as there aren't any true impact players out there that aren't injured. IMO


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