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comochiefsfan 03-23-2022 10:58 AM
Anyone else more upset at Hill than the Chiefs?

I have no problem wanting to get paid but the lack of loyalty after all him and this franchise has been through is astonishing.

I'm really glad I don't have a 10 jersey. It'd be hard to look at right now.

notorious 03-23-2022 10:59 AM
Chiefs will be fine, just wished we ****ed another team out of picks for once.

Red Dawg 03-23-2022 10:59 AM
This is not our GM's fault. Hill chose money, warmth and he rather lose but have more money than win and have a little less. Adams chose the same.

htismaqe 03-23-2022 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 16208469)
This sucks so bad. You could have 10 high #1 draft picks and easily not hit on a HOF-level talent like Hill. Yeah he's 28 but the dude is a solid ball of muscle and not injury prone. He's easily got 4 more good years. This is less than we got for Jared Allen.
He got almost $75M guaranteed from the Dolphins.

ChiTown 03-23-2022 10:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 16208477)
Anyone else more upset at Hill than the Chiefs?

I have no problem wanting to get paid but the lack of loyalty after all him and this franchise has been through is astonishing.

I'm really glad I don't have a 10 jersey. It'd be hard to look at right now.
Meh, it’s Professional Sports. This is exactly the sort of shit that happens. I’m already over it

MarkDavis'Haircut 03-23-2022 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 16208469)
This sucks so bad. You could have 10 high #1 draft picks and easily not hit on a HOF-level talent like Hill. Yeah he's 28 but the dude is a solid ball of muscle and not injury prone. He's easily got 4 more good years. This is less than we got for Jared Allen.

You have to hope the Chiefs know something we don't. Or that Mahomes was good with this on some level. Good teams don't trade away HOF players in their prime. It's just weird.
2018 Raiders say hi. :banghead:

dirk digler 03-23-2022 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 16208456)
You just aren't going to find another talent like Hill. That's why it sucks. It's not going to happen. But it's the name of the game... we've been going all out to win the last couple years and other teams will have more cap space and be able to go wild. And when you're successful some guys are going think they've got their ring and go get as much money as humanly possible.

The only way to kind of stop this is do what Polian did with the Colts, pay Manning, James, Harrison, etc. and then literally don't do anything major in FA and build everything through the draft.
Exactly. Hill is irreplaceable and you keep the trio going. Just ****ing absolutely mind blowing dumb.

htismaqe 03-23-2022 11:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 16208477)
Anyone else more upset at Hill than the Chiefs?

I have no problem wanting to get paid but the lack of loyalty after all him and this franchise has been through is astonishing.

I'm really glad I don't have a 10 jersey. It'd be hard to look at right now.
More upset? I don't know.

The package of picks they got back is awful. Don't like it at all.

But Hill's contract with the Dolphins is RIDICULOUS. And then you add the fact that the Chiefs nurtured him like you mention and well, yeah, I don't like his side of it either.

The Franchise 03-23-2022 11:01 AM
The Chiefs weren’t getting multiple first round picks for Hill. Not with him wanting a deal to make him the highest paid WR.

And we weren’t trading with the Jets if Hill didn’t want to go there.

Simply Red 03-23-2022 11:01 AM
can someone create our draft picks/order in its entirety (as it stands RN?)

Bowser 03-23-2022 11:01 AM
Logging on my phone at work to say **** this. Don't tell my boss, lol.

DJ's left nut 03-23-2022 11:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16208439)
I don’t think the Jets offer was going to happen. I’m fine with the trade. Just use those picks and the newly gained cap space to build a defense.
It's the 4ths that bug me.

29 and 50 isn't a bad start, but for YEARS this board has justified bad decisions with these late 1st round picks as 'its virtually a 2nd anyway' and now we're supposed to pretend like it has the value that the Raiders pick had that they shipped to GB?

If 29 is the 'top' asset, there needs to be more ancillary pieces to justify it. And friggen 4th round picks ain't that.

You use 4th rounders to move up 6 spots in the 2nd. You don't use them to put a deal over the top for a HoF ****ing pass catcher.

That needed to be, at WORST, a 2 next year and honestly I'd have given up a 3 or something this season to see that be one of their 1sts next year.

It's just bad return. You can't get less than the Packers got for Adams and somehow we did.

Veach blinked. Wouldn't be the first time.

SupDock 03-23-2022 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16208480)
He got almost $75M guaranteed from the Dolphins.
Yeah. 4 years 120 mill. I wanted more but that’s a lot of picks we got.
That’s a ton of money.

stumppy 03-23-2022 11:01 AM
The more I think about this the better it looks.

Keeping Hill would have screwed our cap for a few years. Now we're in a lot better shape cap wise.
And 6 picks? That's a haul. Sure, the team will look different but overall I think it will make the Chiefs a better team. That is as long as they don't wiff on all the picks they have.

The Franchise 03-23-2022 11:01 AM
The Chiefs weren’t getting multiple first round picks for Hill. Not with him wanting a deal to make him the highest paid WR.

And we weren’t trading with the Jets if Hill didn’t want to go there.

CupidStunt 03-23-2022 11:01 AM
1) I'll miss Tyreek.
2) We're worse off today than yesterday, but the way people act as if the season starts tomorrow is so comical. Chiefs are NOT done making big moves.
3) We didn't choose Miami or "do right" by Hill ... if Hill wouldn't sign an extension with the Jets, THERE IS NO DEAL. They could offer their entire draft and it wouldn't matter.
4) Kinda like point 2 really, but people need to factor cap here. Not paying a WR THIRTY MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR is a big ****ing net positive.

CatfishBob2 03-23-2022 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 16208477)
Anyone else more upset at Hill than the Chiefs?

I have no problem wanting to get paid but the lack of loyalty after all him and this franchise has been through is astonishing.

I'm really glad I don't have a 10 jersey. It'd be hard to look at right now.

Why be mad at Hill for getting paid

Iconic 03-23-2022 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Shields68 (Post 16208460)
Yeah trading Hill is not good. But you also need to factor in that Hill was not signing here for what we could pay him. We could not make the cap numbers work for a 25 million a year contract. The only way this works out is we use the 21 million we cleared for signing Hill productively and bring in one or two guys that improves our team and then hit with the picks.
you're not wrong. there is opportunity cost in cap space that you end up regaining by moving hill but it really depends on what veach actually does with the left over cap. still... the ****ing return is just so shit to me. like we are talking about one of - if not the best wrs in the game right now and the highest pick we got was ****ing number 29?

god damn man. makes me so bitter lol.

Red Dawg 03-23-2022 11:02 AM
This will make Mahomes a better QB. It will force him to be more efficient.

louie aguiar 03-23-2022 11:02 AM
So sad. Tyreek is one of my all-time favorite chiefs

CasselGotPeedOn 03-23-2022 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 16208483)
Exactly. Hill is irreplaceable and you keep the trio going. Just ****ing absolutely mind blowing dumb.
For 30 million a year? Use your brain, if you have one.

ROYC75 03-23-2022 11:02 AM
OBJ anyone?

We will become more ball control and shore up the Dl, CB plus another WR.

jettio 03-23-2022 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 16208432)
John Dorsey would've NEVER allowed it to get to this point.
John Dorsey may never again be in a position to never allow any it to get to any point.

ChiTown 03-23-2022 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16208493)
The Chiefs weren’t getting multiple first round picks for Hill. Not with him wanting a deal to make him the highest paid WR.

And we weren’t trading with the Jets if Hill didn’t want to go there.
Like I said in the other thread - it’s the Davante Adams deal. That was going to be the model

saturnknts 03-23-2022 11:03 AM
4 year 120 million, 72 million guaranteed per nfl radio

SupDock 03-23-2022 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16208484)
More upset? I don't know.

The package of picks they got back is awful. Don't like it at all.

But Hill's contract with the Dolphins is RIDICULOUS. And then you add the fact that the Chiefs nurtured him like you mention and well, yeah, I don't like his side of it either.
Absolute ton of money.

BigRedChief 03-23-2022 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16208439)
I don’t think the Jets offer was going to happen. I’m fine with the trade. Just use those picks and the newly gained cap space to build a defense.
That’s how Brady won most of his SB’s. Great defense and OL. JAG’s at WR and RB.

We have the OL in place. Better than JAG’s at WR. 4 picks in the top 103 will go a long way to rebuilding the defense.

htismaqe 03-23-2022 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP (Post 16208472)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More Tyreek Hill contract details: The $72.2 million becomes fully guaranteed at the start of the 2023 league year. The other $52.535 million is fully guaranteed at signing.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1506676546311962631?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 23, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Wow
JFC, no wonder he was traded.

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-23-2022 11:03 AM
Every reporter is saying the Jets and Miami offer were basically the same so I doubt the 4 or 10 where even in it.

TambaBerry 03-23-2022 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 16208487)
can someone create our draft picks/order in its entirety (as it stands RN?)
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OnTheWarpath15 03-23-2022 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 16208468)
Well, our gm better start drafting some weapons because Hill is gone and Kelce will be 33 this year
True story. Especially considering it takes 2-3 years for WR's (where we're picking) to really make a difference.

If people thought our running game sucked *with* Tyreek, boy y'all in for a rude awakening unless Veach makes a trade for a legit WR.

The Franchise 03-23-2022 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16208489)
It's the 4ths that bug me.

29 and 50 isn't a bad start, but for YEARS this board has justified bad decisions with these late 1st round picks as 'its virtually a 2nd anyway' and now we're supposed to pretend like it has the value that the Raiders pick had that they shipped to GB?

If 29 is the 'top' asset, there needs to be more ancillary pieces to justify it. And friggen 4th round picks ain't that.

You use 4th rounders to move up 6 spots in the 2nd. You don't use them to put a deal over the top for a HoF ****ing pass catcher.

That needed to be, at WORST, a 2 next year and honestly I'd have given up a 3 or something this season to see that be one of their 1sts next year.

It's just bad return. You can't get less than the Packers got for Adams and somehow we did.

Veach blinked. Wouldn't be the first time.
To me…I’m just not that pissed about it. Veach has shown the ability to find some players in the 4th. I wouldn’t be surprised if he used a pick to move up a little in the first for a DE or DT and then grab a WR in the back of the first or in the 2nd.

Hell…who knows what he has planned.

BleedingRed 03-23-2022 11:04 AM
omfg..... WHY VEACH

DJ's left nut 03-23-2022 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by stevegroganfan (Post 16208458)
Congratulations for a move the Patriots under Belichick would have made 10 out of 10 times. Great medium to long term deal for the Chiefs if KC just does a decent job with the additional cap space and plethora of picks. It values Hill more than Adams and when you factor in Hill's punt returning ability, he should be valued a little more. Hill will probably age better than Adams since he takes less big hits and he is already one year younger but one injury to Hill could obviously change everything.

Dolphins made much more sense for Hill than the Jets. He will be the big star even over their QB which most people think of as someone more like an average QB. Lower taxes than NY. Warm weather perhaps more important as he ages. Arguably better night life than even NY. Great place to live if you are rich.

Long term this trade helps the Bills/Patriots/Jets since Dolphins lost so much cheap draft capital but it does make the Dolphins better in the short term.
Go fist your mother.

What has convinced these sister ****ing Patriot fans that we give a single shit what they have to say?

You lucked into Tom Brady - you still know precisely **** all about the sport. So eat shit and die.

Otis Day 03-23-2022 11:04 AM
I get the concern and wanting more compensation, but we did get practically a full draft for him. A 1, 2, 4, 4,and 6. I realize that some of those picks are next year, but that is a lot of draft picks.

SupDock 03-23-2022 11:04 AM
We drafted Reek late. Got him on a steal, won a super bowl with him, and turned him into a ton of picks. It could have been better, but I’m not super mad. Just need to deliver on a couple picks.

R8RFAN 03-23-2022 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 16208498)
This will make Mahomes a better QB. It will force him to be more efficient.
Only a Die Hard Chiefs fan could say trading away a top 3 WR in the NFL will make his team better LMAO

Simply Red 03-23-2022 11:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 16208477)
Anyone else more upset at Hill than the Chiefs?

I have no problem wanting to get paid but the lack of loyalty after all him and this franchise has been through is astonishing.

I'm really glad I don't have a 10 jersey. It'd be hard to look at right now.
It's business, loyalty is never part of it nor should it be.

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-23-2022 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 16208510)
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Yup keep everything pick and draft smart

George Liquor 03-23-2022 11:04 AM
That AFC Championship chokejob looks worse and worse every day.

Because Cheifs is back on the menu boys!

chiefswillriseup 03-23-2022 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP (Post 16208509)
Every reporter is saying the Jets and Miami offer were basically the same so I doubt the 4 or 10 where even in it.
Yeah it would probably have been like 10th pick + 4/5th round pick is my guess

KC_Connection 03-23-2022 11:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 16208477)
Anyone else more upset at Hill than the Chiefs?

I have no problem wanting to get paid but the lack of loyalty after all him and this franchise has been through is astonishing.

I'm really glad I don't have a 10 jersey. It'd be hard to look at right now.
I'm not upset at anybody. Tyreek has every right to try to get his during his window and the Chiefs have every reason not to just hand the guy a blank cheque.

It's too bad it couldn't have gone differently, but that's the business of this sport.

Red Dawg 03-23-2022 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16208513)
omfg..... WHY VEACH
Ask Hill why. It's his fault.

KCJake 03-23-2022 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by CatfishBob2 (Post 16208367)
A Devante Adams megadeal to set this off was inevitable....but I don't think we got enough compensation
That's exactly what happened. Thank the Raiders :cuss:

OnTheWarpath15 03-23-2022 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16208480)
He got almost $75M guaranteed from the Dolphins.
If I read it correctly, almost the entire contract becomes guaranteed in 2023.

O.city 03-23-2022 11:05 AM
Wait, so the whole deal is guaranteed?

FringeNC 03-23-2022 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 16208476)
There has to be a little more to this than just financial reasons.

The Chiefs know more than we do, it's his attitude, a health issue, chemistry...something that made this decision doable for less than (2) 1s.
Either that, or Hill was adamant that he wanted out.

Buckweath 03-23-2022 11:05 AM
More than happy with this trade.

I know the game but I cannot stand those players super greedy for money.

I expect Veach to make reasonable offers to any star player and I'd think that's what he did with Hill.

You'll always have those bad teams willing to pay astronomical dollars for star players.

Hill probably gave the Chiefs his best years for rather cheap.

DJ's left nut 03-23-2022 11:05 AM
We'd better have Kyzir mother****ing White signed by the end of the mother****ing day.

Baby Lee 03-23-2022 11:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16208506)
That’s how Brady won most of his SB’s. Great defense and OL. JAG’s at WR and RB.

We have the OL in place. Better than JAG’s at WR. 4 picks in the top 103 will go a long way to rebuilding the defense.
Jim Johnson is dead, dude.

Sassy Squatch 03-23-2022 11:05 AM
Couldn't even leverage the Jets interest into a worthwhile pick next year. Veach got his shit pushed in by an echidna in this one.

DTVietnam 03-23-2022 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by R8RFAN (Post 16208474)
I am 100% not trolling but I have to ask... There is a certain player that likes to play with legends... PM will be a legend if he is not already. Will AB be in a Chiefs uniform next year....
AB already said he wants to play for the Browns. .

Simply Red 03-23-2022 11:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by R8RFAN (Post 16208517)
Only a Die Hard Chiefs fan could say trading away a top 3 WR in the NFL will make his team better LMAO
yeah because KC has no other leverage or draft stock.

Gary Cooper 03-23-2022 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 16208477)
Anyone else more upset at Hill than the Chiefs?

I have no problem wanting to get paid but the lack of loyalty after all him and this franchise has been through is astonishing.

I'm really glad I don't have a 10 jersey. It'd be hard to look at right now.
Yeah, at least Greinke wanted to play for a real Major League team. Hill is going to a worse team with a gimp for a QB.

I wonder how Mahomes feels about this trade.

BigRedChief 03-23-2022 11:06 AM
We were getting the value for one year of Hill’s services. It’s obvious that Hill would have held out if we franchise tag him. He wasn’t staying.

Chiefnj2 03-23-2022 11:06 AM
No Hill and Ju Ju only has a 1 year deal. Hardman couldn't step up when teams were focusing on Hill and Kelce and people think he's going to do better without defenses having all eyes on Hill?

Wasting another year of Mahomes' life.

SupDock 03-23-2022 11:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Otis Day (Post 16208515)
I get the concern and wanting more compensation, but we did get practically a full draft for him. A 1, 2, 4, 4,and 6. I realize that some of those picks are next year, but that is a lot of draft picks.
Exactly. That is like an extra draft worth of picks.

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-23-2022 11:06 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Quick run of the numbers here shows 1.25 WAR gain for the Chiefs in trade compensation for Tyreek Hill versus 0.94 WAR for the Packers in the Davante Adams deal <a href="https://t.co/bk5Vm4xob9">pic.twitter.com/bk5Vm4xob9</a></p>&mdash; Kevin Cole (@KevinColePFF) <a href="https://twitter.com/KevinColePFF/status/1506676357106999315?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 23, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

mkp785 03-23-2022 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16208422)
Just stay put, Brett.

We're taking a step back. That's a foregone conclusion at this point.

So don't get aggressive and go trading for veteran WRs. Don't go packaging 1st round picks and giving up value to get someone 5% better than who you'd get at 29 and 30.

Just sit ****ing still.

Let the draft come to you, take the best player available at any spot anywhere. Recognize that next year may be nasty and it just doesn't goddamn matter.

This just isn't a good enough return to justify keeping your foot on the gas. And those 4th ****ing rounders are just insulting somehow. Like they goddamn matter in a trade of this magnitude.

Ugh - this is just damn disappointing. A late 1st, a mid-2nd and some scraps. Blech.
Hopefully Jameson Williams is incoming but George Pickens wouldnt be terrible either...

Marcellus 03-23-2022 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16208507)
JFC, no wonder he was traded.
Yes in essence that's a fully guaranteed contract.

ljmhawk 03-23-2022 11:06 AM
hill is a game changer….you don’t trade gamechangers in their prime. Kelce is going to have a down year because teams won’t be doubling any of our other WRs now

BeeHo 03-23-2022 11:07 AM
Peace.

https://images.thestar.com/8om0WIOB9...yreek_hill.jpg

zVenaSera 03-23-2022 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 16208477)
Anyone else more upset at Hill than the Chiefs?

I have no problem wanting to get paid but the lack of loyalty after all him and this franchise has been through is astonishing.

I'm really glad I don't have a 10 jersey. It'd be hard to look at right now.
I mean, the guy took an extremely team-friendly extension a few years ago when everyone knew he was one of the biggest weapons in the NFL. Honestly, he doesn't owe the organization anything. He's the most dynamic receiver in the league, and wants to be paid like it, so more power to him. I don't get this idea that fans have that players owe anything to them. This is their career, they don't have a lot of time in it, so they wanna maximize their dollars. Can't blame them for that.

RunKC 03-23-2022 11:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16208489)
It's the 4ths that bug me.

29 and 50 isn't a bad start, but for YEARS this board has justified bad decisions with these late 1st round picks as 'its virtually a 2nd anyway' and now we're supposed to pretend like it has the value that the Raiders pick had that they shipped to GB?

If 29 is the 'top' asset, there needs to be more ancillary pieces to justify it. And friggen 4th round picks ain't that.

You use 4th rounders to move up 6 spots in the 2nd. You don't use them to put a deal over the top for a HoF ****ing pass catcher.

That needed to be, at WORST, a 2 next year and honestly I'd have given up a 3 or something this season to see that be one of their 1sts next year.

It's just bad return. You can't get less than the Packers got for Adams and somehow we did.

Veach blinked. Wouldn't be the first time.
I’m not too pleased either but it was the smart move though. If we give Tyreek that deal then we are in serious cap trouble next year and have no picks to supplement it.

This draft is very strong at DE and WR so our first rd picks are not as weak as a normal year. Plus we have a lot of picks to move up.

Marcellus 03-23-2022 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16208533)
Couldn't even leverage the Jets interest into a worthwhile pick next year. Veach got his shit pushed in by an echidna in this one.
Hill didn't want to play for the Jets so there was literally no way to leverage it.

This isnt difficult to understand.

Red Dawg 03-23-2022 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by R8RFAN (Post 16208517)
Only a Die Hard Chiefs fan could say trading away a top 3 WR in the NFL will make his team better LMAO
It can. He won't be looking to try and force feed one guy the way we have seen him before. Reading defenses will be more on his mind than him just looking deep to Hill and chuck it up like he did on the last play of the season.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-23-2022 11:08 AM
I don't see Hill's game aging well. Once he loses a step he's just a fast WR afraid of contact. The Chiefs got several years of extreme surplus value out of him then spun him off to retool their depth.

DTVietnam 03-23-2022 11:08 AM
the good news..Mecole Hardman can finally get his picture in those Chiefs offense is going to be scary tweets:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOKQyktXMAEisTx.jpg

BigRedChief 03-23-2022 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 16208510)
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That will rebuild a defense. Veach going to the Brady/Pats model for more SB’s?

DTVietnam 03-23-2022 11:09 AM
the good news..Mecole Hardman can finally get his picture in those Chiefs offense is going to be scary tweets:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOKQyktXMAEisTx.jpg

jettio 03-23-2022 11:09 AM
Seems like this was foreshadowed a bit in the KC Star, when Tyreek Hill had Tyreek Hill Day in Douglas, Georgia, on March 12, 2022, on same day as the Mahomes wedding in Hawaii.

I thought it was a little off that the tribute day was scheduled for same day.

ForeverIowan 03-23-2022 11:09 AM
Sucks in the short-term. Absolutely great in the long-term. As long as we have Mahomes we will be fine. Build up the defense to be an absolutely dominating unit to pair with a Mahomes led offense. This gives Veach the draft picks and cap space to do that.

Simply Red 03-23-2022 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 16208510)
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Nice thanks

Prison Bitch 03-23-2022 11:09 AM
Take calls on Kelce?

stumppy 03-23-2022 11:09 AM
Starting to look like the Chiefs were offering close to the same amount in real dollars.

I'm gonna LMAO when Miami is at 50/50 halfway through next year and the owner starts working the new coach to play for draft position.

BleedingRed 03-23-2022 11:09 AM
I understand the move, its just a move I never wanted to see happen.

htismaqe 03-23-2022 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 16208527)
If I read it correctly, almost the entire contract becomes guaranteed in 2023.
The contract is really ****ing outrageous.

The draft picks we got back are pretty disappointing but no way could we (or should we) have given him a contract like that.

SupDock 03-23-2022 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ljmhawk (Post 16208546)
hill is a game changer….you don’t trade gamechangers in their prime. Kelce is going to have a down year because teams won’t be doubling any of our other WRs now
You would be OK with giving hill that contract?

Titty Meat 03-23-2022 11:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 16208555)
I don't see Hill's game aging well. Once he loses a step he's just a fast WR afraid of contact. The Chiefs got several years of extreme surplus value out of him then spun him off to retool their depth.
In 3 or 4 years sure

duncan_idaho 03-23-2022 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16208489)
It's the 4ths that bug me.

29 and 50 isn't a bad start, but for YEARS this board has justified bad decisions with these late 1st round picks as 'its virtually a 2nd anyway' and now we're supposed to pretend like it has the value that the Raiders pick had that they shipped to GB?

If 29 is the 'top' asset, there needs to be more ancillary pieces to justify it. And friggen 4th round picks ain't that.

You use 4th rounders to move up 6 spots in the 2nd. You don't use them to put a deal over the top for a HoF ****ing pass catcher.

That needed to be, at WORST, a 2 next year and honestly I'd have given up a 3 or something this season to see that be one of their 1sts next year.

It's just bad return. You can't get less than the Packers got for Adams and somehow we did.

Veach blinked. Wouldn't be the first time.
All depends on which draft value chart you follow. KC, based on the Brown deal last year, seems to follow the old Johnson chart fairly closely. Which is what draftek is based on, right?

22: 780
53: 370

29: 640
50: 400
121: 52
2023 4th: 25 (estimating based on 2022 5th)
2023 6th: 1 (estimating based on 2022 7th)

so, the math is...
Packers 1150
Chiefs 1118

Difference equates to a 5th round pick.


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