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PAChiefsGuy 11-02-2021 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 15929118)
The "he plays a game" is such overused envious BS. It's this kind of nonsense thats leading to mental breakdowns left and right.

It's a tough life. He works real hard at it. He's already had two major surgeries and probably pays through pain most weeks. And for as much fame as he gets, he also has to deal with a ton of obligations that come with being a superstar. For a guy like him, it can absolutely be stressful and draining. On top of that caring for his kid and it sure looks like he's very involved. You don't have to feel sorry for him but you can have the understanding that nfl life is plenty stressful.
It's not a tough life. A tough life is going to jail for something you didn't do, being a soldier during a war, single Mom raising two kids etc..

Im not saying his life is perfect or stress free. I'm just saying compared to the average American his life is pretty sweet.

If he can't deal w his current level of stress then Chiefs are in serious trouble.

treeguy27 11-02-2021 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 15929098)
This thread should be pinned so that the Mahomes doubters can rightfully be ridiculed mercilessly for the next 2 decades.
I haven't seen anyone say he sucks and is done and will never be the same again. Most people are pointing out that he's struggling right now, which he is.

The last three seasons were not a fluke. He'll get back to being that QB. It's just a matter of when.

Otter 11-02-2021 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15929093)
Unless there's an article out there about how he's up at 2am on game days with a screaming child, we really have no information on how they're handling it. I know you said you're just guessing, as we all are, but in that particular case I think it's a big assumption given his fiancé is probably well aware of the weekly demands and need for sleep during the season.

Same with commercials and other personal life things... I'd doubt he's shooting commercials in the middle of the season, and if it does happen, I would assume he's spending the same amount of free time he's always had and not sacrificing practices and film study, etc.

Those are things people always want to point to along with "he's got paid!!", but he wasn't Bills/Titans/NYG bad the first month of the season either... it was mostly just a few bad interceptions leading up to playing the Bills. All of those other things didn't just manifest themselves in October.
I agree I'm just spitballing (hey, it's ChiefsPlanet, it's what we do) but it seems to be team wide and I'd consider Patrick the field general on offense and Honey Badger the field general on defense and both seem...frustrated.

It runs downhill.

Bearcat 11-02-2021 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 15929120)
I don't think anyone points these things out to suggest mahomes is forever distracted. Just that for this particular offseason he has a loootttt of things going on
I think plenty of people are suggesting just that... the "too focused on non-football things". I mean, not smart people, but plenty of people.

And I agree with your other post, I'm sure it's a stressful life and he seems to be the type who would want to please everyone the best he can, and maybe at the end of the day it's having an impact.

And there's of course a fine line between being Superman and being Clark Kent.

It's also strange to me that all of these theories of "what's wrong?!?" pop up right now, in the past month, like he hadn't been handling all of these things prior to October... and with little insight into facts beyond the life they show on social media.

chiefzilla1501 11-02-2021 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 15929155)
It's not a tough life. A tough life is going to jail for something you didn't do, being a soldier during a war, single Mom raising two kids etc..

Im not saying his life is perfect or stress free. I'm just saying compared to the average American his life is pretty sweet.

If he can't deal w his current level of stress then Chiefs are in serious trouble.
A CEO can make tens of million dollars. Would anyone say their life isn't stressful? Guys like Patrick mahomes work really really hard and particularly in football it's enduring pain, living in hotels, tons of press obligations, tons of media and sponsorship obligations. And in today's environment the public pressures to do a good job and as we've seen from those who don't, the major stress when you don't do your job. It's not always a sweet life. It's why even the most successful athletes like tiger and Mj have had complete mental breakdowns

Several elite qbs had a setback season after having their first kid. And again, this is on top of just getting that new contract and sponsorships that come with it, and battling back from surgery. Nobody said he can't handle it. But understandably he has more on his mind than usual right now.

RealSNR 11-02-2021 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Otter (Post 15929063)
Just curious, ever raise a child? "It takes a village" is term for a reason.

And I'm just guessing here on the reasons why but he's not the Patrick we're used to at the moment. There's a funk with the entire team right now.
I know you're not implying that it's the kid, but... yeah, it's just not.

How many HOF awesome QBs have had kids to raise at home while going through the prime of their careers? Just about every one.

Yes, kids are stressful, but given what we know about Mahomes, his work ethic, his character, and his reliability... it's not the kid

Bearcat 11-02-2021 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Otter (Post 15929164)
I agree I'm just spitballing (hey, it's ChiefsPlanet, it's what we do) but it seems to be team wide and I'd consider Patrick the field general on offense and Honey Badger the field general on defense and both seem...frustrated.
Totally agree... all of the passes at the feet of receivers, not going through progressions, etc. "Giving up" on plays for lack of a better phrase more frequently.

Whether he's hurt and/or incredibly frustrated for other reasons (OL trust, seemingly being told to be a pocket passer, receivers not getting open, play calling frustration, etc etc....) :shrug:

Bearcat 11-02-2021 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 15929155)
It's not a tough life. A tough life is going to jail for something you didn't do, being a soldier during a war, single Mom raising two kids etc..

Im not saying his life is perfect or stress free. I'm just saying compared to the average American his life is pretty sweet.

If he can't deal w his current level of stress then Chiefs are in serious trouble.
A tough life isn't required for stress and having a ton of obligations and pressure to live up to a huge contract and millions of fans, being the face of a franchise, etc.

He could still enjoy it 99% of the time, but feel that pressure on game day to play perfectly and always deliver regardless of injuries or whatever else.

PAChiefsGuy 11-02-2021 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15929192)
Totally agree... all of the passes at the feet of receivers, not going through progressions, etc. "Giving up" on plays for lack of a better phrase more frequently.

Whether he's hurt and/or incredibly frustrated for other reasons (OL trust, seemingly being told to be a pocket passer, receivers not getting open, play calling frustration, etc etc....) :shrug:
Kelce seems pretty frustrated and out of it too. There's got to be some locker room issues going on.

dirk digler 11-02-2021 11:40 AM
I think there is potentially multiple things going on with Pat.

1. He definitely doesn't trust Brown so he has happy feet and bails the pocket way early
2. The INT's have gotten in his head and he is not trusting his eyes\lacks confidence.
3. His toe still hurts. All season he has been bouncing passes off the dirt. Don't remember him doing that before.

Otter 11-02-2021 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15929192)
Totally agree... all of the passes at the feet of receivers, not going through progressions, etc. "Giving up" on plays for lack of a better phrase more frequently.

Whether he's hurt and/or incredibly frustrated for other reasons (OL trust, seemingly being told to be a pocket passer, receivers not getting open, play calling frustration, etc etc....) :shrug:

Yeah, I'm not liking the turning Patrick into a pocket passer move that SEAMS to be going on.

The guy won us a Super Bowl being a sandlot 'devil may care' and 'improv' QB with great leadership to boot.

Let's not try and reinvent the wheel.

Bearcat 11-02-2021 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 15929199)
Kelce seems pretty frustrated and out of it too. There's got to be some locker room issues going on.
Yeah, that one pass in particular down the sidelines late in the game and a couple shots of him on the sidelines... some of the facial expressions look just like us, wondering WTF is going on. They seem just as dumbfounded by it than we do... and to a certain extent, I totally get it, when there's yet another ball that bounces 10 feet into the air and gets picked after their best drive in two weeks.

And that's why I liked that first drive so much... when you're at the end of your rope frustrated and it seems like absolutely everything that can go wrong is going wrong, get back to basics.

Then it went to shit.... and that's the adversity they've always been so good at overcoming, but last night (purely guessing) it seemed to get in their heads after just one drive.

Gary Cooper 11-02-2021 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15929217)
Yeah, that one pass in particular down the sidelines late in the game and a couple shots of him on the sidelines... some of the facial expressions look just like us, wondering WTF is going on. They seem just as dumbfounded by it than we do... and to a certain extent, I totally get it, when there's yet another ball that bounces 10 feet into the air and gets picked after their best drive in two weeks.

And that's why I liked that first drive so much... when you're at the end of your rope frustrated and it seems like absolutely everything that can go wrong is going wrong, get back to basics.

Then it went to shit.... and that's the adversity they've always been so good at overcoming, but last night (purely guessing) it seemed to get in their heads after just one drive.
How much of that were Reid's first 10 scripted plays?

chiefforlife 11-02-2021 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15929217)
Yeah, that one pass in particular down the sidelines late in the game and a couple shots of him on the sidelines... some of the facial expressions look just like us, wondering WTF is going on. They seem just as dumbfounded by it than we do... and to a certain extent, I totally get it, when there's yet another ball that bounces 10 feet into the air and gets picked after their best drive in two weeks.

And that's why I liked that first drive so much... when you're at the end of your rope frustrated and it seems like absolutely everything that can go wrong is going wrong, get back to basics.

Then it went to shit.... and that's the adversity they've always been so good at overcoming, but last night (purely guessing) it seemed to get in their heads after just one drive.
I agree, my first thought after the opening drive was exactly that. Here we go again. They seemed to have that thought as well.

Remember how the sideline shots during the game were so fun, they were rallying each other and Reid and Mahomes were over there scheming up new ways to score while the Defense was on the field. Offense and Defense were cheering each other on. High fives and smiling faces even after something went wrong.

That isnt happening this year. The sideline looks way different. I especially noticed Kelce last night, this guy usually has FUN. He looked shell shocked every time they showed him. No one went over to him and said, its OK, you will probably win this game for us. Of course I dont know that for sure its just what it looked like and was an example of what I see happening this year. How the team doesnt seem to be as tight as in the past.

I know the losing is tough and is contributing to this but its one more thing that seems off this year.

NEOM 11-02-2021 12:25 PM
Some great words by Aaron about Pat. Looks like both are more than just commercial friends.

Easy 6 11-02-2021 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 15929199)
Kelce seems pretty frustrated and out of it too. There's got to be some locker room issues going on.
At least part of it has to be that he's just beaten down physically

He gets flat out mugged constantly, and takes a buttload of vicious hits

Dunerdr 11-02-2021 12:44 PM
Lets be ****ing real. No he hasnt been great. Things changed for an all pro super bowl winner. Do you ask him to change his game? Or do what needs done to make him as comfortable as hes been the last 3 seasons?

MahomesMagic 11-02-2021 12:51 PM
This is more on Reid than Mahomes.


Chiefs offense looks like last days of Mike McCarthy in Green Bay.

McCarthy wanted his players to win "matchups". Teams would play Cover 2 over and over and McCarthy refused to adjust offense...at all.


Aaron Rodgers would say in his post-game press conferences, "Yeah, we knew it would be a tough day because the Bears were in Cover 2."

Dunerdr 11-02-2021 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15929404)
This is more on Reid than Mahomes.


Chiefs offense looks like last days of Mike McCarthy in Green Bay.

McCarthy wanted his players to win "matchups". Teams would play Cover 2 over and over and McCarthy refused to adjust offense...at all.


Aaron Rodgers would say in his post-game press conferences, "Yeah, we knew it would be a tough day because the Bears were in Cover 2."
Jesus

MightyMouse 11-02-2021 12:57 PM
He is definitely broken. He can be fixed but foolish to think he is no right now. It’s not a slump when you are making terrible throws, forcing throws, misreading coverages. The play calling, 2 deep looks while always being down because the defense sucks has lead to this so it’s not his fault.

ThaVirus 11-02-2021 12:58 PM
He's been sacked 16 times already. On average over these last 3 seasons, he takes about 1.4 sacks per game. This season he's taking 2 sacks per game on average.

His Y/A is down about a full yard, passer rating is way down, QBR is way down, ANY/A is waayyyyy down.

And that's even after he looked pretty good, outside of the turnovers, throughout the first few weeks. This last month has been brutal.

scho63 11-02-2021 01:01 PM
Our remaining schedule is the TOUGHEST in the NFL.

Not gonna be easy.......

-King- 11-02-2021 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefforlife (Post 15929278)
I agree, my first thought after the opening drive was exactly that. Here we go again. They seemed to have that thought as well.

Remember how the sideline shots during the game were so fun, they were rallying each other and Reid and Mahomes were over there scheming up new ways to score while the Defense was on the field. Offense and Defense were cheering each other on. High fives and smiling faces even after something went wrong.

That isnt happening this year. The sideline looks way different. I especially noticed Kelce last night, this guy usually has FUN. He looked shell shocked every time they showed him. No one went over to him and said, its OK, you will probably win this game for us. Of course I dont know that for sure its just what it looked like and was an example of what I see happening this year. How the team doesnt seem to be as tight as in the past.

I know the losing is tough and is contributing to this but its one more thing that seems off this year.
Does Reid even go sit down with Pat anymore?

Hammock Parties 11-02-2021 01:04 PM
Mahomes is going to throw 45 TDs while being broken.

You absolute yobbos.

IowaHawkeyeChief 11-02-2021 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 15929438)
He's been sacked 16 times already. On average over these last 3 seasons, he takes about 1.4 sacks per game. This season he's taking 2 sacks per game on average.

His Y/A is down about a full yard, passer rating is way down, QBR is way down, ANY/A is waayyyyy down.

And that's even after he looked pretty good, outside of the turnovers, throughout the first few weeks. This last month has been brutal.
Yes, and most of those are from drifting deep in the pocket and D-Coordinators figuring out to send their edge rushers deep and keep him contained. Patrick looked much better in the pocket last night, but missed some reads, some open receivers and had some accuracy issues, but it was better.

FloridaMan88 11-02-2021 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15929217)
And that's why I liked that first drive so much... when you're at the end of your rope frustrated and it seems like absolutely everything that can go wrong is going wrong, get back to basics.
It makes no sense why the Chiefs went away from the successful strategy of that first drive… short/quick passes that were shredding the two deep safety defense.

Bearcat 11-02-2021 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefforlife (Post 15929278)
I agree, my first thought after the opening drive was exactly that. Here we go again. They seemed to have that thought as well.

Remember how the sideline shots during the game were so fun, they were rallying each other and Reid and Mahomes were over there scheming up new ways to score while the Defense was on the field. Offense and Defense were cheering each other on. High fives and smiling faces even after something went wrong.

That isnt happening this year. The sideline looks way different. I especially noticed Kelce last night, this guy usually has FUN. He looked shell shocked every time they showed him. No one went over to him and said, its OK, you will probably win this game for us. Of course I dont know that for sure its just what it looked like and was an example of what I see happening this year. How the team doesnt seem to be as tight as in the past.

I know the losing is tough and is contributing to this but its one more thing that seems off this year.
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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 15929351)
At least part of it has to be that he's just beaten down physically

He gets flat out mugged constantly, and takes a buttload of vicious hits
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 15929438)
He's been sacked 16 times already. On average over these last 3 seasons, he takes about 1.4 sacks per game. This season he's taking 2 sacks per game on average.
Yeah, can definitely see all of this playing into mounting frustrations... the physical toll of being sacked and mugged, the mental toll of interceptions and how everything seems to be going wrong in the past month. Compounding frustrations.

Getting embarrassed in the Super Bowl, then I'd assume wanting to come out and make a huge statement, just to be a game within. 500 every single week.

Part of the back to basics should be loosening up and having fun... getting out of their heads about it. Playing an underdog role, whatever.

O.city 11-02-2021 01:28 PM
I think Kelce is hurt. He got his neck hurt against Buffalo and it's showing.

Mahomes has to get back to winning in structure. You can't count on the outside the pocket stuff consistently.

dirk digler 11-02-2021 01:29 PM
All-22

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">-Brackets on Kelce and Hill<br>-drop 8 + low spy<br>-Kelce with a nice route <a href="https://t.co/trLHnAM92x">pic.twitter.com/trLHnAM92x</a></p>&mdash; SyedSchemes (@syedschemes) <a href="https://twitter.com/syedschemes/status/1455577262074572813?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

O.city 11-02-2021 01:30 PM
Thats the issue. Where is he going? Pause it at the 27 second mark. Why are you leaving that pocket?

Hammock Parties 11-02-2021 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15929528)
Thats the issue. Where is he going? Pause it at the 27 second mark. Why are you leaving that pocket?
He doesn't trust his tackles.

dirk digler 11-02-2021 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15929537)
He doesn't trust his tackles.
Yeah I was about to say that. He definitely doesn't trust Brown

mr. tegu 11-02-2021 01:44 PM
When everything around the QB works perfect the QB needs to make that play happen. There are too many of these plays each week now. Not trusting the tackles is a terrible excuse.

Hammock Parties 11-02-2021 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 15929579)
Not trusting the tackles is a terrible excuse.
Yeah, very true.

I'm sure Patrick was just fed up with all the bounces going the other way and decided to bring home the W on this play. He knew Danny Limes was out of juice.

suzzer99 11-02-2021 02:09 PM
From that first angle leaving the pocket makes more sense. Kelce had two guys trailing him. He probably gets tackled before the goal line.

But Pringle made a nice move to get open towards the left pylon, which probably would have worked if the LB hadn't charged Mahomes so hard. Mahomes probably doesn't have the window to get it to Pringle on the pylon from the pocket, but rolling left he would have.

O.city 11-02-2021 04:00 PM
Well that’s a problem

Win from the pocket. He’s using the backyard football shit as a crutch

He’s playing awful and his mechanics are all over the place. You can’t last playing this way. Clean it up and win with your brain from the pocket

KChiefs1 11-02-2021 04:11 PM
He has regressed to being just an average QB now.

Hopefully he can reclaim the magic.


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Pooch 11-02-2021 05:06 PM
Him and Hill/Kelce seem not to be hanging out on the sideline or talking anymore. Is there a rift going on?

ToxSocks 11-02-2021 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Pooch (Post 15930052)
Him and Hill/Kelce seem not to be hanging out on the sideline or talking anymore. Is there a rift going on?
The better question is why is Reid not sitting on the sideline with him anymore.

dirk digler 11-02-2021 06:18 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mahomes v. two-high coverages by season, top row is 2021 <a href="https://t.co/3xJrAhZU59">https://t.co/3xJrAhZU59</a> <a href="https://t.co/4movwYqP1Y">pic.twitter.com/4movwYqP1Y</a></p>&mdash; Steven Ruiz (@theStevenRuiz) <a href="https://twitter.com/theStevenRuiz/status/1455533148016680978?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

bringbackmarty 11-02-2021 07:45 PM
Orlovsky said something interesting on NFL live today. Basically his point was mahomes is having problems with his footwork on certain throws. Sometimes his base is too wide, sometimes he's not driving towards his receiver, other times this she just aren't set. I thought it was interesting and there may be something to it on the off-target throws.

chiefzilla1501 11-02-2021 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by bringbackmarty (Post 15930427)
Orlovsky said something interesting on NFL live today. Basically his point was mahomes is having problems with his footwork on certain throws. Sometimes his base is too wide, sometimes he's not driving towards his receiver, other times this she just aren't set. I thought it was interesting and there may be something to it on the off-target throws.
I remember a few years ago when his rb screens were a hot mess against the Rams. We can trust that we have an elite coach who is fixing it. Good chance a lot of his struggles are due to Reid pushing him to play a different way. As jittery as he's been, he was trying a lot harder to use and step up in the pocket.

Halfcan 11-02-2021 08:07 PM
Couple of average games where Mahomes gets saddled with a bunch of INTS that are not his fault- and fans are ready to dump him. Pathetic.

Halfcan 11-02-2021 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 15930197)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mahomes v. two-high coverages by season, top row is 2021 <a href="https://t.co/3xJrAhZU59">https://t.co/3xJrAhZU59</a> <a href="https://t.co/4movwYqP1Y">pic.twitter.com/4movwYqP1Y</a></p>&mdash; Steven Ruiz (@theStevenRuiz) <a href="https://twitter.com/theStevenRuiz/status/1455533148016680978?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Dov is a ****ing idiot. Mahomes hater for sure.

Halfcan 11-02-2021 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by bringbackmarty (Post 15930427)
Orlovsky said something interesting on NFL live today. Basically his point was mahomes is having problems with his footwork on certain throws. Sometimes his base is too wide, sometimes he's not driving towards his receiver, other times this she just aren't set. I thought it was interesting and there may be something to it on the off-target throws.
I am sure Mahomes is jumping at the chance to take footwork advice from a failed nobody that couldn't keep his Own feet from going out of the end zone.

Halfcan 11-02-2021 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15929944)
Well that’s a problem

Win from the pocket. He’s using the backyard football shit as a crutch

He’s playing awful and his mechanics are all over the place. You can’t last playing this way. Clean it up and win with your brain from the pocket
Mahomes has been reduced to a shitty Back Yard football player now- LOL :doh!:

Red Dawg 11-02-2021 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 15930494)
I am sure Mahomes is jumping at the chance to take footwork advice from a failed nobody that couldn't keep his Own feet from going out of the end zone.
I remember that play. He was real safe from getting sacked out of bounds.

WilliamTheIrish 11-02-2021 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 15927996)
"broken" "abomination" "Rick Ankiel"

These are all words that people used to describe Patrick ****ing Mahomes tonight. I mean, are you listening to yourselves? Rick ****ING Ankiel?????

Look, I'm not going to pretend like he's been himself all year. He's not seeing the field as well as usual, he's struggling to trust his OL and occasionally scrambling out of clean pockets, he's missing some throws, some of those turnovers have actually been his fault and not just the receivers being unable to hold onto the ****in ball.

But all the wannabe psychologists and family therapists on this site are driving me up a ****ing wall. You don't know what the **** is going on in his head and you don't know what affect his family life has on his play.

What you DO know, based on a 3 season sample size, is that he's the greatest QB through ~50 games in NFL history. You know that he's won multiple comeback playoff games, two AFC titles, and a Super Bowl. You even know (or at least you ****ing should, unless you've been too busy moaning to actually read anything), that by most metrics he's actually been pretty good overall this season. His "turnover worthy" plays are actually DOWN from past years. He's #4 in the league in touchdowns. His TD% is identical to last season and higher that 2019. Before Tennessee, which is easily the biggest outlier of his career including the other "bad" games this season, he was leading one of the most efficient offenses of all time in terms of points per drive — yes, better than 2018. I know it doesn't feel that way because so many guys on this team (including, yes, Patrick himself on a few occasions) can't hold onto the ****ing ball. But that's the ****ing truth.

If he were moping during press conferences or lashing out on social media, I might give a little bit more credence to the narrative that he's moments away from a nervous breakdown. Not very much, but a little bit. But he's not. He's being honest (almost to a fault) about his role in the team's struggles and projecting confidence that he can turn it around. What more can he possibly do to convince some of you losers to hold onto a bit of that confidence yourselves? Does he need to go back in time and miraculously heal Schwartz and Fisher and win that Super Bowl? Should he just commit seppuku at midfield? What do you want??

Patrick Mahomes is not broken. He's slumping. Every QB slumps occasionally. Not every QB calls having the 4th best QBR (64.1) and 6th best EPA (46.3, just above the dreaded Aaron Rodgers) a ****ing slump. Personally, even after 8 underwhelming-to-miserable games and a 4-4 record, I'm gonna give the kid a little more leeway before calling for him to be committed to the god damn psych ward. I think he's earned at least that much.
ZOMG SOMEBODY COMPARED HIM TO RICK ****ING ANKIEL?

And then said “of course he’s not Ankiel”.

I realize my off the cuff comment was probably the straw that broke you. But gather up the pieces and try to move forward without all the emotion.

Halfcan 11-02-2021 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15929528)
Thats the issue. Where is he going? Pause it at the 27 second mark. Why are you leaving that pocket?
Brown whiffed on his block. We had 5 to block three and there was still pressure because our tackles can't handle speed rushers.

Brown is a fence post out there.

Andy is predictable and has been getting pawned all year.

Chris Meck 11-03-2021 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 15930538)
Brown whiffed on his block. We had 5 to block three and there was still pressure because our tackles can't handle speed rushers.

Brown is a fence post out there.

Andy is predictable and has been getting pawned all year.
Actually, he outran the block.

I've been as critical of Brown as anyone else, but that one's not really his fault. Patrick changes the angle on him and outruns the block.

I don't doubt Mahomes, and I'm certain he'll get it together, he's just too damned good not to. But right now he's not playing well. Which, is still better than average, it's just not good by Mahomes standards.

chiefzilla1501 11-03-2021 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 15930494)
I am sure Mahomes is jumping at the chance to take footwork advice from a failed nobody that couldn't keep his Own feet from going out of the end zone.
He's not wrong and he's a decent analyst even though he sucked as a player. Pat has some things he needs fixed. The good thing is they're easily fixable. Isn't that better than assuming he's permanently damaged? I think he's learning to use the front of the pocket more, it's a little uncomfortable now, but he will overcome it with repetition as he always does and end up an even more dangerous player as a result.

As they say on Ted lasso... The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off

Chris Meck 11-03-2021 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 15931302)
He's not wrong and he's a decent analyst even though he sucked as a player. Pat has some things he needs fixed. The good thing is they're easily fixable. Isn't that better than assuming he's permanently damaged? I think he's learning to use the front of the pocket more, it's a little uncomfortable now, but he will overcome it with repetition as he always does and end up an even more dangerous player as a result.

As they say on Ted lasso... The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off
Mahomes will be fine. That's the least of the team's worries.

Molitoth 11-03-2021 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15929458)
Mahomes is going to throw 45 TDs while being broken.

You absolute yobbos.
Are these going to be garbage time TD's?

Yes, the fluke turnovers are the biggest problem.... but being a little more balanced with a running attack and adjusting to what the defenses are doing is not a bad thing.

Easy 6 11-03-2021 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 15930197)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mahomes v. two-high coverages by season, top row is 2021 <a href="https://t.co/3xJrAhZU59">https://t.co/3xJrAhZU59</a> <a href="https://t.co/4movwYqP1Y">pic.twitter.com/4movwYqP1Y</a></p>&mdash; Steven Ruiz (@theStevenRuiz) <a href="https://twitter.com/theStevenRuiz/status/1455533148016680978?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
"admittedly doesn't know how to read defenses"

LMAO that tool needs his teeth smacked out

CasselGotPeedOn 11-03-2021 09:36 AM
Dov Hymen is the ****ing worst

louie aguiar 11-03-2021 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 15930481)
Couple of average games where Mahomes gets saddled with a bunch of INTS that are not his fault- and fans are ready to dump him. Pathetic.
Being critical of his recent play does not mean that people are ready to dump him. I don’t think anyone is calling for Henne to start. Anyone being honest can see that Mahomes is playing well below the ridiculously high bar he’s set through his career.

MahomesMagic 11-03-2021 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 15931527)
"admittedly doesn't know how to read defenses"

LMAO that tool needs his teeth smacked out

Mahomes knows how to read defenses.

The issue is Andy Reid's special creation aged out of style and we refuse to adapt.


Last year when teams had two high we would counter with RPO's. (See Buffalo AFC Championship)

But now teams are playing shell and the linebackers are far enough back and told not to bother with the run..squeeze the RPO windows.

And we have no counter.

Mahomes first reads are still usually verticals down the field.

As I said, this is what happened to A Rodgers when people caught on to MccCarthy and McCarthy kept going "We are who we are."

For Green Bay all you had to do was play Cover 2 and it was into the woodchipper for them.

BigRock 11-04-2021 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 15930484)
Dov is a ****ing idiot. Mahomes hater for sure.
If people haven't noticed on twitter, Dov has been exposed as a mealy mouth Patriots fan boy and a creeper who Jennifer Lawrence allegedly had to get a restraining order against.

And it all stemmed from that tweet about Mahomes, so his obsession with hating on Pat has become his downfall.

crayzkirk 11-04-2021 08:14 PM
I don't think he's broken; I do think over the last year he has been beaten up pretty good. Multiple concussions, toe injury and has taken some huge hits. A little like CEH; he is not the same player after the Saints game. Football is a brutal sport and people end up crippled from playing it. Add the extra responsibility of a family, the huge contract, the frustration of defenses taking away what he does best, the inability of the front office to give him more than two options for receivers, opposing offenses going for fourth down conversions at a huge rate because of the pressure he puts on them, etc.

What else does he need to accomplish? i wouldn't blame him if he just Andrew Luck'd it.

kcpasco 11-04-2021 08:31 PM
Something is definitely off.

philfree 11-04-2021 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 15934868)
Something is definitely off.
Mahomes is playing behind a new O Line and the blocking is different. Also he's trying so hard to stay in the pocket and he's struggling to do so and the O Line is part of that. Defenses are doubling Hill and Kelce and taking the way the deeper routes that Mahomes excels at. And then last but not least Patrick is still pressing like he's still playing In the Super Bowl. So basically he's struggling. He's a damn good QB and he'll get it figured out.

Bearcat 11-04-2021 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 15931527)
"admittedly doesn't know how to read defenses"

LMAO that tool needs his teeth smacked out
Yeah, isn't that something Mahomes said in his rookie season or something?

And now only 3.5 seasons later is it true. LMAO

suzzer99 11-04-2021 10:57 PM
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/chi...ards-in-a-game

https://i.imgur.com/4yhFSqc.png

Just three weeks ago, Mahomes threw for the 12th most yards in Chiefs history.

xztop123 11-05-2021 04:06 AM
Is josh Gordon already a failed experiment?

mr. tegu 11-05-2021 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 15935088)
Is josh Gordon already a failed experiment?

He’s still a hypothesis. They haven’t even implemented the experimental testing phase yet.

PHOG 11-05-2021 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 15935247)
He’s still a hypothesis. They haven’t even implemented the experimental testing phase yet.
https://c.tenor.com/kHE4M6q9JSkAAAAd...e-so-close.gif

CasselGotPeedOn 11-07-2021 04:58 PM
Yeah he looks great....

TLO 11-07-2021 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 15935088)
Is josh Gordon already a failed experiment?
Chin too weak.

Best22 11-07-2021 05:00 PM
So focused on getting the ball out quick that he’s missing opportunities in other areas of the field

DJ's left nut 11-07-2021 05:00 PM
Um…he might be broken.

He looks baaaaaaad, gents. I’m struggling to come up with any silver linings.

He’s watching the rush, he’s a one-read passer, he’s throwing balls into his receivers feet.

He is presently a bad quarterback. He’s not doing anything well out there.

TLO 11-07-2021 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15940073)
Um…he might be broken.

He looks baaaaaaad, gents. I’m struggling to come up with any silver linings.

He’s watching the rush, he’s a one-read passer, he’s throwing balls into his receivers feet.

He is presently a bad quarterback. He’s not doing anything well out there.
Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology

CoMoChief 11-07-2021 05:02 PM
Trade Mahomes in 4yrs for #1 pick (and then some) and draft Arch Manning

BigRedChief 11-07-2021 05:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by philfree (Post 15934931)
Mahomes is playing behind a new O Line and the blocking is different. Also he's trying so hard to stay in the pocket and he's struggling to do so and the O Line is part of that. Defenses are doubling Hill and Kelce and taking the way the deeper routes that Mahomes excels at. And then last but not least Patrick is still pressing like he's still playing In the Super Bowl. So basically he's struggling. He's a damn good QB and he'll get it figured out.
He missed Kelce wide open twice and went with a long throw, which was an okay one but the flat throw to Williams? :shake:

philfree 11-07-2021 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 15940092)
He missed Kelce wide open twice and went with a long throw, which was an okay one but the flat throw to Williams? :shake:
To much going on in his head.

petegz28 11-07-2021 05:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15940073)
Um…he might be broken.

He looks baaaaaaad, gents. I’m struggling to come up with any silver linings.

He’s watching the rush, he’s a one-read passer, he’s throwing balls into his receivers feet.

He is presently a bad quarterback. He’s not doing anything well out there.
The piss poor reads are my concern. That's a problem between the ears and can be a troubling sign for his future. If he can't play in the pocket and make reads then his career while spectacular, will be short.

Hammock Parties 11-07-2021 05:05 PM
His timing is way off

Bl00dyBizkitz 11-07-2021 05:05 PM
Best guess is his confidence and mental is shot, cause other than that I have no clue what's going on with him.

Bearcat 11-07-2021 05:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15940073)
Um…he might be broken.

He looks baaaaaaad, gents. I’m struggling to come up with any silver linings.

He’s watching the rush, he’s a one-read passer, he’s throwing balls into his receivers feet.

He is presently a bad quarterback. He’s not doing anything well out there.
Yep.

With a big emphasis on "presently" for the idiots who turn everything into "forever".

Hammock Parties 11-07-2021 05:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15940073)
Um…he might be broken.

He looks baaaaaaad, gents. I’m struggling to come up with any silver linings.

He’s watching the rush, he’s a one-read passer, he’s throwing balls into his receivers feet.

He is presently a bad quarterback. He’s not doing anything well out there.
He's played both conservatively unprecise and aggressively unsure at the same time.

Bad combo.

Short game timing is off, long game he is afraid to make a mistake.

UGH

petegz28 11-07-2021 05:08 PM
Andy is not helping with some shit play calling.

Run the god damn ball. They thing we are doing best right now is running the ball and playing the pass off of it.


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