WR who can actually run routes please.

Edge rusher wouldn't be end of world either.

The blocking is the big plus from Tremble for me, imagine adding him and a solid OC... our OL would be complete for years with high-end top quality pass protection.

Feels like he is becoming sort of the consensus wish pick, but I'm willing to bet the rest of the leagues fanbase is eyeballing him just the same. Praying he falls to us, I want an impact pass rusher!

I don’t believe it’s forcing a pick. Veach always talks about pockets. Nothing wrong with getting a guy you believe in.

It’s like you guys forgot that we have the most aggressive GM in football. The guy tried to get Trent Williams month ago, has made 5 trades all being trade up’s and has traded his first rd pick for a veteran in 2 of the last 3 years.

You guys act like this guy is ****ing Chris Ballard LMAO

He also traded up for Speaks and Hardman. Let’s not act like he’s hitting on everything here.

Huh? I’m not saying don’t trade up for one. I’m saying if you sit at 58 you don’t “have” to go DE. You don’t ever pick based solely on need.

Move up to get who?

There really aren't that many guys left that are going to fall far enough. Are you wanting to trade up into the 30's?

Yep, traded up for Breeland Speaks. And he said it was because the DE class started getting really thin and he felt like he had to. Let's do that again. He said he learned his lesson from that so let's hope he was telling the truth.

We don't need a center THAT bad. Already spent almost our entire free agency on the offensive line. We have other needs.

We've had 1 year bandaids and shitty players there for a few years. If he's there and you can fill it with that type of dude for 3 or 4 years, do it.

If Humphrey or Meinerz are one of the guys on the top of their list at 58 or 63.....then sure.....take him.

**** Landon Dickerson though.

What I love about Veach and company.......aside from QB, I have no problem at this point with any position we select at 58 and 63. Whatever “needs” are not addressed after the draft, the Chiefs will use their resources to find.

The “needs” at this point are not so glaring that we have to reach.

Who I would like? Creed Humphrey, Dickerson, Gabril Cox, Perkins, Onwuzurike, Marshall, Barmore, if any fall that far.

Who ‘probably’ will be available I would like? Werner, Tremble, Melifonwu, Cosmi, Ossai, Tufele

Yeah, so many teams ahead of us not going to get my hopes up until we are 5 players away and I can see multiple guys I like still on the board.

Not advocating for moving up to early rd 2. You can easily do a trade that he did in 2018 with a pick swap.

Example: Chiefs trade picks 58 and 63 to WFT for picks 52 and 74. That would be a great fair trade.

And please stop bringing up Breeland Speaks. He didn’t work out. So what? We traded up for Mecole Hardman and he started the spark to get our win over the Texans and go to the SB.
Also traded up for some guy named Patrick Mahomes. That seemed to work out well

If Veach wanted to get up in the 30's he might be able to package both 2nds for a pick there and a high 4th.

I don't think he will, but it's something to consider. I really think he's content this year seeing how the board falls though.

Could make a slight move with Washington and go to 51 and get 74 in the 3rd.

Dude. Breeland Speaks didn’t work out and Mecole Hardman is the reason why we need a WR right now.

And Veach didn’t trade up for Mahomes.

And I’d be just fine with the Washington trade if they want someone 8 spots up.

Ha, was typing the same thing while I was on the phone. It could work

The thing that bothered me about the Mecole pick is the belief KC had that they could teach him how to run routes better.

Draft what you see. Tyreek is a unicorn that improved. Maybe Steve Smith and Tyreek are the only guys I can think of that dramatically improved from college to the pros like that.

Dude, Basham is probably the first DE off the board tonight. If it's not him, then it's probably Perkins.

After that, there's like NOBODY. Ojulari doesn't really fit. Are you planning on trading up in the 2nd for a guy like Elerson Smith, who probably has a late 3rd round grade?

That's what I'm saying.

OF COURSE, if we could trade up 6 spots and get one of the better DE's left, we could do it. But that's not likely to happen at all. We'd be moving up for a guy that we could stay put and get.

There's just not a lot of value left at DE. We'd be better off going with another position and taking a couple later.

If he's the top guy available on the Chiefs' board, then yes, absolutely.

This draft should be BPA all the way. No exceptions. Don't even think about going, "Ehh... but we REALLY could use _____ position!"

We'll be fine at just about any position. And if you trade up, do it because you really want that particular player and you think he'll be amazing, not because he plays a certain position and you're worried there won't be any good guys like him available to you at your spot.

Great choice! FWIW, I have Carlos "Boogie" Bashman along with Terrance Marshall Jr. as out picks.

Hardman is not a bust though. 10 receiving TD’s and 2 ST’s return TD’s in 2 years is worth his draft pick.

Yes it sucks that he regressed but there was no offseason for him to get better due to covid.

Never said he was a bust. But he’s not a WR2. At least not right now.

Basham would be a dream pick IF he falls far enough.

He won't. But it would be great if he did.

Exactly. Too many needs, too much talent available, to get tunnel vision. Go get BPA and make the whole team better.

Lmao. For as much shit as we all take around here, that one sticks out like a sore thumb. Gotta love it. Go Chiefs.

Pretty well what Veach said in his presser. "Outside of QB, anything is on the table."

He's not locked in. It "sounds" like he's most focused on DE, CB, and LB in listening to him overall the past few weeks but he doesn't seem zeroed in on a guy or a position.

Rationale for trading up for Speaks: "There weren't going to be any good DEs left if he went off the board"

Rationale for trading up for Mahomes: "Because he's ****ing awesome"

See the difference?

The Hardman trade up is difficult to speculate on and I won't get into it, particularly because the board is decidedly divided on whether or not he can continue to improve.

I think I'd probably try to bandaid the DE spot up this year and look for the DE early next years draft. Those dudes that you need go early anyway.

Agreed. He’s a good fit for a Spags defensive end. Solid in both the run and pass. He would most likely already be gone if it weren’t for the failed drug test that kept him out of multiple games.

Tons of good linebackers and edge rushers with a 2nd round grade left.

WR's are probably going to make some happy and some upset.

I don't see too many players at WR that will be universally loved here.

Today is the day OL depth really comes into focus. Lot of these guys are gonna be flying off the board in the early and mid rd 2.

Great news for us

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He’s my draft crush for sure. Seems like such a natural fit opposite Clark.

I wouldn’t mind moving up if he starts to slip.

LMAO

Watch them somehow come away with Walker Little.

And this is why I mentioned Speaks.

Not because Speaks was a bust but because the rationale for trading up was that the DE's were running out and we HAD to get one.

It's the same rationale being floated here for trading up and it's a BAD idea.

If a DE falls to us great. If not, go LB, DB, IOL, whatever. There's no need to fixate on DE.

I said it last night - after trading for Brown it sure was interesting to see the OT class basically fall off the cliff. Several guys that people thought might be 1st rounders are still out there. Sure glad we didn't trade up.

I don't see a ton of good edge rushers left at all. I see 2 or 3 really. At least guys that are realistically 2nd rounders.

I'm not taking another LB'er in the 2nd after just doing it last year.

WR, CB, IOL woudl be the areas I'd focus on.

Doubt that has any bearing on anything.

I would be happy with any two of these players:

Creed Humphrey
JOK
Terrace Marshall Jr
Kelvin Joseph
Jabril Cox

Why wouldn't it?

An off ball LB'er isn't that valuable and the one you took last year needs playing time. It would be a waste.

Right! Its not like LBr is solved. Still a huge need.

There's a slew of teams that need them at the top of the round as well...

Jaguars
Jets
Falcons
Bengals
Cowboys
Chargers

to name a few...

The chances of us having a quality DE prospect fall in our laps, and especially Basham, is probably zero.

I wouldn't focus on LB but if a BPA guy falls, you need to look at him.

I mean if for some reason JOK were to be within reach, you take that guy. He's a utility player, not just a LB. Cox is a coverage LB unlike anybody currently on the team. He'd be a consideration as well because those guys wouldn't necessarily come off the field in passing situations.

Really not sure why you think Ojulari isn’t a fit. He’s good against the run and he has some freakishly long arms. He can absolutely play 4-3 DE.

They don't play with 3 LB'ers on the field much at all. You've got Gay and Hitchens in there this season.

If there's someone you could take to replace HItchens I guess go for it, but that seems a bit redundant.

I like this list, would add Tommy Tremble.

Our O line depth is actually pretty solid as in. Allegretti, Wylie, LDT, Remmers. And Schwartz could come back. Honestly I don’t see us taking an OL.

Exactly. I just don't see enough depth at DE for one to get to us. Too many guys went at the end of round one.

Yeah there’s a handful of LB’s and DE’s. The value of today is at corner and OL though.

I feel really good about a receiving weapon falling to us though. Tremble, Freiermuth, Brown or Marshall. I think one of them makes it to our range

We don’t need a LB?

Who the **** can play the position outside of Gay and Hitchens? If one of those dudes is injured then we’re down to Darius Harris or Ben Niemann.

Yes....we still need a LB.

JOK would theoretically play the Sorenson role, which would make sense.

But if we're talking about an off ball LB'er? Nah, I'd look for one of those later.

So you’re okay with Ben “better than Devin White per PFF” Niemann on the field then?

Because as it stands right now Ben ****ing Neiman is set to see significant playing time.

And we'll see how valuable you think that position is when you're cursing his name every Sunday.

And where they allocated a pick to that position has nothing to do with anything.

Hey, we'll have two 2nd round LB's. Cool.

If that's the way we're approaching this, then there are about 6 spots we "need". Who's your LT if Brown goes down?

We aren't gonna have depth everywhere.

Start looking at upgrades instead of depth.

He's light. He plays well against the run as a penetrator but when an OL gets their hands on him, he's often done. He doesn't have the bend or push to actually set the edge and win matchups.

I'm just not as high on him as others are I guess. I see him more as a 3-4 OLB.

And if either one of those guys is hurt? The cubbard is BARE.

I don’t think the ND kid is gonna be there for us. Good news is that Jabril Cox is a very similar type of player with really good athleticism and coverage.

He could cover TE’s for us

Absolutely disagree. He doesn’t get pushed around in the running game. He’s not Dee Ford. He can play 4-3 DE too.

The one they drafted last year hasn't even played much yet.

They rarely play with 3 on the field. So it woudl be more of a depth pick at this point.

But whatever. I'm cool with whoever.

Yep, I really think we're looking at a CB and IOL with these 2 picks.

What if Kelce gets hurt? What if one of the CB's goes down? What if Mathieu gets hurt?

If they went Meinerz I wouldn't complain eventhough there are bigger needs.

Agreed. I don't think we need IOL depth. The line, all of a sudden, has plenty of depth.

I mention Walker Little, but if they draft him there's a log jam on the OL. It's still be awesome, but i bet it would also mean they're dumping LDT.

Let’s just go full LSU today.... Cox and Marshall. Maybe a CB if there is a good one still there

Yep. Cox isn't the specimen JOK is but he's still in that hybrid LB/DB mold that can stay on the field in nickel packages. He'd be useful.

Former LSU Tiger Kelvin Joseph.

If Kelce gets hurt we got the Belldozer!!! Luckily for health Kelces durability is phenomenal

I wouldn’t hate that pick either

Outside of the injuries, I personally think Ford was a better 4-3 prospect that Ojulari.

He really struggles to get off blocks. In fact, I saw a quote from an AFC scout that said something like "sometimes you'd swear he was made of velcro".

Eh, Kelce could pose a problem. With Mahomes behind a stout O-line, if our defense totally collapses, well, let Mahomes be Mahomes....

Ummmmm all guys I’ve advocated getting depth for. I’m not saying that we HAVE to take a LB in the 2nd round. I’m not eliminating it entirely like you are.

Right.

Again, with JOK and Jabril Cox, you'd be looking at having Hitchens and Gay on the field WITH them. They could easily line up in a big DB spot and cover TE's or whatever. They're not traditional LB's.

Think the Bucs are pissed they have two LBs that cost them a first and second round pick?

People seem to have to taken on this idea that because the Chiefs don't currently use their LB's a lot that they're not important.

I think it's more like, they play a 3rd safety often because they don't have LB's that they can trust in coverage. Gay is suppose to be that guy, but he's raw. Maybe he becomes that guy.

But if the Chiefs have two stud LB's, they're not gonna park one on the sideline. They're going to get his ass on the field and adjust their scheme accordingly.

DE, LB, S, CB, IOL, TE and WR are all positions that could use an upgrade or quality depth on day two. I’m not eliminating any of those positions.

Exactly.

We're not talking about taking a 250-lb MLB here. We're talking about guys that could legitimately play in passing sets and get Sorenson off the field.

The reason for doing that is that you're better against the run even when you're in nickel buck.

No ****ing way.