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Rausch 09-12-2019 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefforlife (Post 14442543)
They probably told Laremy Tunsil that he wouldnt be traded as well.

If you are Howard and your agent came to you and said the Chiefs want to trade for you, I bet you say...Hell Yeah!

Or you can stay in Miami and lose your entire career.
I don't think the Dolphins will trade him. I have no doubt he would want out.

They have a shit ton of draft picks already and Howard is young...

Dunerdr 09-12-2019 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 14442562)
I don't think the Dolphins will trade him. I have no doubt he would want out.

They have a shit ton of draft picks already and Howard is young...
But they have a patriot way cast off, who probably believes he could turn any picks and average players into something better like his father the hood has done for two decades now.

Jerm 09-12-2019 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 14442173)
By your logic, every competitive team should always trade their high picks to get elite players now.

1st round picks have a ton of value because you're getting a young player who potentially could give you nearly 10 years of great play and you are getting that player for cheap for 4 years and cheap contract for great play is incredibly valuable in this league because of the salary cap.

Basically, Veach could keep the 1st round pick and then next offseason you draft a CB and then sign the best FA CB. You end up paying the same as if you'd just have Howard but you've got two positions locked down with one FA who might not be far away from Howard and a rookie CB who might be solid right off the bat and you hope can become great.

I am personally all for PP. It just makes a ton more sense to me both in a short term and long term perspective.

Anyways, trading potentially a 1st and more for Howard who is 26 and super expensive when you traded Peters for a future 2nd and a 4th sounds wrong, especially that Peters was younger, with two years left on his rookie contract and just as good at the time, granted he had attitude problems.

What do you think it's going to take to get PP?

I mean the starting point is going to be a 1st rounder...

O.city 09-12-2019 08:27 AM
I can't imagine it would take a 1st for Peterson. Maybe a 2nd, or 3rd.

sedated 09-12-2019 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefforlife (Post 14442543)
They probably told Laremy Tunsil that he wouldnt be traded as well.
There is a giant difference between Tunsil and Howard.

Tunsil is on his rookie deal 5th year option, so whoever got him was facing a massive contract after this season.

Howard just signed his extension, so will be signed up for 5 more years after this one.

They aren't going to trade him. As badly as they want to tank, there is no reason to sign a guy to a big extension and trade him a few months later. They may be tanking now, but surely they plan on rebuilding and competing in the next 3-5 years.

Jerm 09-12-2019 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14442581)
I can't imagine it would take a 1st for Peterson. Maybe a 2nd, or 3rd.
You're not getting an elite CB still in his prime on a somewhat friendly deal for a 2nd or a 3rd...come on.

O.city 09-12-2019 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 14442602)
You're not getting an elite CB still in his prime on a somewhat friendly deal for a 2nd or a 3rd...come on.
He's 29 coming off a 6 game PED suspension and is probably going to want a new contract or an extension of his current one.

So yeah, he's not getting a first for that I doubt.

-King- 09-12-2019 08:43 AM
If we wait until the deadline it's most likely going to take a 2nd to get it done for Peterson

O.city 09-12-2019 08:45 AM
I've gone back and forth. I'd probably rather have Peterson as he'd be cheaper, but if you could get Howard and have that deal locked in and him for that long, that might be more palatable.

chiefforlife 09-12-2019 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14442609)
I've gone back and forth. I'd probably rather have Peterson as he'd be cheaper, but if you could get Howard and have that deal locked in and him for that long, that might be more palatable.
Peterson is going to cost a high second rounder (49rs pick) most likely. If you could give up our First rounder, not much higher than the second round pick, for Howard, then you do that! At least in my opinion.

O.city 09-12-2019 08:59 AM
I kinda think so too.


Looking at some highlights, Howard is pretty fricking good. I don't think they can move away any more first rounders, Chiefs need some cheap talent.

But, if you're confident that you're moving on from Jones and think you can get that first back, eh, I think I would think about it.

Dunerdr 09-12-2019 09:08 AM
If it were possible to trade the 9ers pick and one more later, like a 4 or the next years 3 possibly id do it today. dee ford and a pick for xavien howard? done ****ing deal boys.

Jerm 09-12-2019 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 14442646)
If it were possible to trade the 9ers pick and one more later, like a 4 or the next years 3 possibly id do it today. dee ford and a pick for xavien howard? done ****ing deal boys.
The Dolphins won't even think about trading Howard unless a 1st is involved...

Look at what they just got for Tunsil. Howard is the equivalent at his position which you could make the argument is more important nowadays than LT.

I think you some of you are seriously underestimating what these deals are going to take.

Jerok 09-12-2019 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 14442607)
If we wait until the deadline it's most likely going to take a 2nd to get it done for Peterson
I think more than a 2nd, we are not the only team who would want to trade for peterson

O.city 09-12-2019 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 14442694)
The Dolphins won't even think about trading Howard unless a 1st is involved...

Look at what they just got for Tunsil. Howard is the equivalent at his position which you could make the argument is more important nowadays than LT.

I think you some of you are seriously underestimating what these deals are going to take.
I definitely think it will take a 1st plus to move Howard.

saphojunkie 09-12-2019 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 14083042)
Just so we are clear: no one thinks Xavien Howard is actually a good idea, right?

Just... Titty Meat.
I'm trying to figure out why I had such a problem with this, and now I am desperately hoping it happens.

TEX 09-12-2019 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 14442602)
You're not getting an elite CB still in his prime on a somewhat friendly deal for a 2nd or a 3rd...come on.
And THAT'S exactly the kind of things teams do that leads to big problems down the road. It's one thing to give up assets and extend young players entering their prime, it's an entirely different matter to do it for older one's.

R Clark 09-12-2019 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 14442694)
The Dolphins won't even think about trading Howard unless a 1st is involved...

Look at what they just got for Tunsil. Howard is the equivalent at his position which you could make the argument is more important nowadays than LT.

I think you some of you are seriously underestimating what these deals are going to take.
You might be right except that part about CB being more important than LT . Yous crazy alfalfa!

Jerm 09-12-2019 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 14442804)
And THAT'S exactly the kind of things teams do that leads to big problems down the road. It's one thing to give up assets and extend young players entering their prime, it's an entirely different matter to do it for older one's.
Right, which is why lean towards Howard over PP.

TEX 09-12-2019 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 14442991)
Right, which is why lean towards Howard over PP.
I'm with ya there.

RunKC 09-12-2019 12:15 PM
If we trade for this guy, I think that about puts an end to Chris Jones career here.

O.city 09-12-2019 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14443013)
If we trade for this guy, I think that about puts an end to Chris Jones career here.
I'd say that kinda happened when they traded for and paid Clark.

Buckweath 09-12-2019 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 14442578)
What do you think it's going to take to get PP?

I mean the starting point is going to be a 1st rounder...
A mid 2nd round pick like the Chiefs will likely have is fair value for Pateick Peterson.

Can't give a 1st.

RunKC 09-12-2019 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 14443242)
A mid 2nd round pick like the Chiefs will likely have is fair value for Pateick Peterson.

Can't give a 1st.
I will say that Howard’s contract is very good for a top end corner. He’s getting paid basically the same as Peterson next year. Those $13/14 million cap hits will look like a steal in a year.

Having control of him for the next 5.5 years is very enticing too.

staylor26 09-12-2019 02:58 PM
I’m convinced we’re making a move. One way or the other.

O.city 09-12-2019 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14443261)
I’m convinced we’re making a move. One way or the other.
I think so too

UChieffyBugger 09-12-2019 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14443028)
I'd say that kinda happened when they traded for and paid Clark.
Not if Veach is a quality gm. Cowboys paying Lawrence, Smith, Zeke and have Dak and Amarie to go...if they manage to do it, then we shouldn't have any problems either.

UChieffyBugger 09-12-2019 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14443261)
I’m convinced we’re making a move. One way or the other.
Byron Jones could be a sleeper name to watch out for as there's no-way the Boys can pay him along with the others.

O.city 09-12-2019 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 14443467)
Not if Veach is a quality gm. Cowboys paying Lawrence, Smith, Zeke and have Dak and Amarie to go...if they manage to do it, then we shouldn't have any problems either.
Chiefs are already paying Clark and Mathieu and Hill and are about to break off Mahomes.


Then you've got Watkins and the whole OL.

They can't pay everyone

staylor26 09-12-2019 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14443475)
Chiefs are already paying Clark and Mathieu and Hill and are about to break off Mahomes.


Then you've got Watkins and the whole OL.

They can't pay everyone


https://i.imgur.com/C0PTrRk.gif

UChieffyBugger 09-12-2019 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14443475)
Chiefs are already paying Clark and Mathieu and Hill and are about to break off Mahomes.


Then you've got Watkins and the whole OL.

They can't pay everyone
Contracts can be restructed and folks can be cut/traded at the end of the season. Namely Ldt, Sorenson, Hitchens, Ragland, Fisher etc. A good GM makes it work, period.

O.city 09-12-2019 04:51 PM
The issue is more that you like to spread the contracts around position or unit wise

They've already got Clark at his big number up there and they need CB"s.

Maybe they can make it work, well see.

UChieffyBugger 09-12-2019 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14443492)
The issue is more that you like to spread the contracts around position or unit wise

They've already got Clark at his big number up there and they need CB"s.

Maybe they can make it work, well see.
So if we had Aaron Donald you would get rid of him too because we have Clark? Because there's no question Jones is closer to Donald as anyone else In the league right now.

R Clark 09-12-2019 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 14443516)
So if we had Aaron Donald you would get rid of him too because we have Clark? Because there's no question Jones is closer to Donald as anyone else In the league right now.
He may the closest but t he ain’t Donald at least not yet.I hope he gets there.so who you talking about cutting/ restructuring?

staylor26 09-12-2019 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14443382)
I think so too
If Veach was already looking to making a move before the Pats got Brown, you know he’s itching to make one now.

Buckweath 09-12-2019 06:15 PM
Chris Jones will resign with the Chiefs. Laughable that so many of you think he will be gone.

He will resign with the Chiefs wwwwaaayyyyyy before Xavien Howard ever becomes a Chiefs.

O.city 09-12-2019 06:18 PM
Paying 2 dl 100 million dollars may be tough

BossChief 09-13-2019 01:25 AM
They paid Houston and Hali market value.

If Jones continues to improve, they will pay him market value or trade him if they don’t feel he’s worth it.

scho63 09-13-2019 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14443013)
If we trade for this guy, I think that about puts an end to Chris Jones career here.
I think guys are not going to be so eager to leave the Chiefs just for money anymore. The ability to play for a perennial winner for a little less than say the Raiders or Dolphins changes the dynamics.

Mahomes factor as well. :D

chiefforlife 09-13-2019 11:21 AM
With all the Minka Fitzpatrick talk going on, lets not forget about Xavien Howard.

What a prize that would be! I know, they wont trade him and all that. Of course they are saying that publicly but it sure seems like a fire sale going on over there.

htismaqe 09-13-2019 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefforlife (Post 14444989)
With all the Minka Fitzpatrick talk going on, lets not forget about Xavien Howard.

What a prize that would be! I know, they wont trade him and all that. Of course they are saying that publicly but it sure seems like a fire sale going on over there.
They want a first for Fitzpatrick. Give up the Howard dream, it’s not happening.

Dunerdr 09-13-2019 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14444991)
They want a first for Fitzpatrick. Give up the Howard dream, it’s not happening.
A first for minkah probably means tunsil comp for howard.

Mecca 09-17-2019 07:04 AM
So Howard went from saying he liked being in Miami and saying he trusted the process after the Tunsil trade to now when Fitzpatrick was moved posting this on his twitter...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/wLbhtqqNv5">pic.twitter.com/wLbhtqqNv5</a></p>&mdash; Xavien Howard (@Iamxavienhoward) <a href="https://twitter.com/Iamxavienhoward/status/1173783845403078656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

chiefforlife 09-17-2019 09:11 AM
You have to wonder, since it has become an all out fire sale, why not trade Howard too?

Check it out Veach...

chiefforlife 09-19-2019 11:50 AM
I have to believe that Howard is also thinking, Get me out of here. He honorably vowed to stick it out with his team but his team has completely sold out.

His compensation would be close to what Ramsey's would be but the contract is already done.

Obviously the Dolphins may not win a game this year or next, I would be calling the Dolphins daily about moving Howard.

Sofa King 09-19-2019 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefforlife (Post 14460581)
I have to believe that Howard is also thinking, Get me out of here. He honorably vowed to stick it out with his team but his team has completely sold out.

His compensation would be close to what Ramsey's would be but the contract is already done.

Obviously the Dolphins may not win a game this year or next, I would be calling the Dolphins daily about moving Howard.
Yup.

Hoover 09-19-2019 12:04 PM
If I was the Dolphins I would have traded Howard before Fitzpatrick. Xavien Howard is only 26, but Fitzpatrick is 22.

staylor26 09-19-2019 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 14460615)
If I was the Dolphins I would have traded Howard before Fitzpatrick. Xavien Howard is only 26, but Fitzpatrick is 22.
Of course, but Fitzpatrick is the one that asked for a trade. It also doesn’t seem like Flores valued him for his defense.

Sassy Squatch 09-19-2019 12:12 PM
Yep. See what the asking price is, at least.

Sofa King 09-19-2019 12:13 PM
I'd rather trade for Howard. No bullshit and the contract is already done.

chiefforlife 09-19-2019 12:20 PM
Id still like to have Ramsey but Howard has zero character concerns, his contract will be cheaper and I would imagine the draft compensation to be similar.
If we lose out on Ramsey, I would be all over this guy!

TEX 09-19-2019 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 14460639)
I'd rather trade for Howard. No bullshit and the contract is already done.
This.

chiefforlife 10-03-2019 07:17 AM
Time to put some posts in this thread again!

If Ramsey is out, this would be my next target. As stated, hes very good, contract is done and no off field BS!!

Hoover 10-03-2019 07:38 AM
This should have always been the target.

Hell, I know he just signed, but he's going to be wasted during the Dolphins rebuild. Also, since they will be drafting high, our low draft position should be less of a problem for them.

Lzen 10-03-2019 07:43 AM
Can someone explain why you think this is even a remote possibility with the fact that he just signed a contract? Wouldn't the Dolphins be on the hook for his SB? Or is there something I don't know about?

Mecca 10-03-2019 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 14496215)
Can someone explain why you think this is even a remote possibility with the fact that he just signed a contract? Wouldn't the Dolphins be on the hook for his SB? Or is there something I don't know about?
They would but when you are fire selling things change, they are also going to be so far under the cap some of those moves could help them not have to spend money to be at the floor.

With them anything is possible because they're tanking on purpose.

Coochie liquor 10-03-2019 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 14496212)
This should have always been the target.

Hell, I know he just signed, but he's going to be wasted during the Dolphins rebuild. Also, since they will be drafting high, our low draft position should be less of a problem for them.
They could have pick 32 and 33

Hoover 10-03-2019 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 14496215)
Can someone explain why you think this is even a remote possibility with the fact that he just signed a contract? Wouldn't the Dolphins be on the hook for his SB? Or is there something I don't know about?
I think the money is the least of the Dolphins concerns, they have the ability to absorb that type of hit because they are rebuilding. Part of me wonders if we offered a 3rd rounder in this up coming draft and then our 1st in 2021 if that would be more appealing. Getting multiple first round picks in multiple drafts would help their rebuild more than adding another 1st rounder this year.

BossChief 10-03-2019 08:17 AM
I’d be fine with a 2 this year and a 1 next year for XH.

He plays sound and is a ball hawk

O.city 10-03-2019 08:22 AM
He's not for sale. If he were, they'd have moved him.

Move on.

The Franchise 10-03-2019 09:12 AM
Not happening.

raybec 4 10-03-2019 10:09 AM
Maybe the Rams will take a 5th for Aaron Donald!! That's just about as likely as the Phins trading Howard to us for a late 1.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-03-2019 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14496264)
I’d be fine with a 2 this year and a 1 next year for XH.

He plays sound and is a ball hawk
Rags and a 3rd

Pasta Little Brioni 10-03-2019 10:40 AM
They aren't ****ing trading him for a late first and late 2nd JFC

Dunerdr 10-03-2019 01:17 PM
how is wiliam jackson not being talked about with cincy in full tank mode? theyre likely gonna want to retool that roster and a few picks would go a long way.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-03-2019 01:26 PM
Why would they just give him away though. No one wants our late picks it seems.

WhawhaWhat 12-30-2019 09:15 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dolphins CB Xavien Howard was arrested for domestic battery by Davie PD last night in an alleged incident involving his fiancé , a source told ESPN. This is a developing story.</p>&mdash; Cameron Wolfe (@CameronWolfe) <a href="https://twitter.com/CameronWolfe/status/1211662998609235980?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 30, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

pugsnotdrugs19 12-30-2019 09:17 AM
Yikes. Wonder what Miami does with him.

TambaBerry 12-30-2019 09:29 AM
if ive learned anything from the hill situation. I need more details, women be crazy and make this shit up all the time against pro athletes. This is not me defending him at all

Dunerdr 12-30-2019 09:50 AM
HE GOOD!

Dante84 12-30-2019 09:57 AM
Credit to Veach for not selling the farm for Ramsey or Howard.

Turns out sitting on our hands this year was the best play after all.

Sofa King 12-30-2019 11:24 AM
Side note. Landon Collins had 0 INT's this year as well.

Skyy God 12-30-2019 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 14685637)
Side note. Landon Collins had 0 INT's this year as well.
Not shocking, given he’s a box safety.

In58men 07-27-2021 06:26 PM
**** it, throw them a 1st round pick Veach!!!!!

GET IT DONE BURT!!!!!!

Jewish Rabbi 07-27-2021 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 15758390)
**** it, throw them a 1st round pick Veach!!!!!

GET IT DONE BURT!!!!!!
Kill yourself

kcgreene 07-27-2021 06:39 PM
Honestly, I'd appreciate a buy low move now to take advantage of the panic.. maybe a 3rd or 4th and a late round pick, or even a high round pick with an appropriate exchange... Howard is damn good and Veach can and would take advantage of this situation. I'm sure NFL GMs actually know the details though, so we will see...

kcgreene 07-27-2021 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by kcgreene (Post 15758413)
Honestly, I'd appreciate a buy low move now to take advantage of the panic.. maybe a 3rd or 4th and a late round pick, or even a high round pick with an appropriate exchange... Howard is damn good and Veach can and would take advantage of this situation. I'm sure NFL GMs actually know the details though, so we will see...
And I dont expect this to happen, just hoping Veach makes it work...... Because Burt Verch

smithandrew051 07-27-2021 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by kcgreene (Post 15758418)
And I dont expect this to happen, just hoping Veach makes it work...... Because Burt Verch
So you’re saying it’s a done deal? LFG!!!!!

kcgreene 07-27-2021 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 15758419)
So you’re saying it’s a done deal? LFG!!!!!
Absolutely! We just have to get the post count high enough MOFOS!!!! LET'S F'IN GOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

In58men 07-27-2021 06:45 PM
Did we trade for this piece of shit yet!?!?!?!?!?

**** YEAH LETS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!


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