He definitely needs to.

And one to come up with a solid game plan for the Pats and the few other good offensive playoff teams. Wonder how much Spags defensive experience vs. the Pats in the two super bowls played into this.

Play Houston at SLB.

He can cover.

Am I wrong for being throughly disappointed by this hire?

Yes, but they're going to need a lot of DE's and they're kindof gutting a strength to force in a rebuild.

LMAO

I think you're right unless they cut Berry. That might change the dynamic since Berry is "his boy".

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That white tee played more snaps than Berry

Berry isn't getting cut.

Sutton's regular season overall performance here was acceptable. His post-season Ds were an abomination. It really can't get worse.

Looks like I won't be using Chiefs defense in Madden anymore

Give it time. You may be pleasantly surprised. I would not call you wrong.

Spags with good talent= above average defense.

Spags with talent similar to this season's defense= similar result.

It wouldn't shock me to see the Chiefs D go from bad to average. Still not impressed with the hire.

First round exit to the Browns at Arrowhead in Jan 2020?

I think this guarantees Houston stays, mostly because Ford likely will not. Hope he’ll restructure but either way they have the cap to keep paying Houston and can make a year to year decision on whether to continue that

I'll reserve judgement of Spagnuolo until we see the defense in 2019. I do know that what happened in overtime against Tom Brady isn't acceptable in regards of playcalling. No way you give Tom Brady the same look over and over again. Especially when you don't take away Edelman on either 3rd and long situation.

I think with this change the hardest part will be Veach finding the players to fit Spag's scheme. Dee Ford for example is an interesting dilemma now.

He's sure had an up and down career. Let's hope he's in an up cycle now.

Yeah but presumable we already found two good OLBs

So who gets fired from the coaching staff on the defensive side of the ball or was Sutton the fall guy?

No. It's about the most uninspiring hire Andy could make.

But being realistic, I don't think good candidates were going to be ok with having asst's already in place being forced on them. A Richard, Hewitt or a Rex Ryan likely wasn't going to have the DL coach already picked.

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Maybe some insight about what spagnuolo is thinking. He mentions MOBP (missed opportunity for a big play). It does sound a little like bend don't break. But it seems to emphasize taking chances to make big stops. We've seem several games where we dropped key INTs. We sat way too far back in passive D at the end of the NE game.

Read another article that spagnuolo has talked to guys like urban meyer about stopping the spread. I have a feeling he's been studying up a ton on the new nfl offenses in his off time. I don't think we quite know what he has up his sleeve. Keep in mind at the end of Reid's days in Philly, people had questioned if he lost his offensive touch.

Not sure i totally agree with the mentality. Think fangio and Martindale have shown that defenses can stop the modern nfl offense. But it may give insight into where he might lean.

One who's being paid twice what he's providing the team in stats....and one that is going to need a new deal and has an injury history.

Seems to be a lot of debate on that here at CP. Berry and his agent played it right by not having surgery until now. Chiefs will be on the hook for an extra $7.25M if he can't pass a physical on March 15. So yeah, Chiefs may be left with no option but to keep him.

You can only hope!

I'm pulling for you.

DeLeone and Harris better both be gone.

We lost out on the good DCs when we beat Indy. If we lose to Indy because of the defense.....I believe we would have gone after Bowles or Wilks.

That will be very easy to do. The Chiefs have a ton of leverage.

Yeah I tend to agree, at least at the very minimum.

There's just no way our D can be worse at game winning/losing/tying drives in the 4th Q than they were under Sutton. It's impossible.

And it also filters down to the position coaches. Our technique is bad, our recognition is bad, our tactics are bad. Some of that isn't Sutton's direct responsibility. But quality control is. And teaching - which apparently he gave up on a long time ago.

New blood + not old and braindead = I expect better things.

Kill me all y’all want but a hire of someone who was the DC over the worst NFL defense in history, context be damned, the WORST DEFENSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL

Let that sink in, couple that with a fundamental scheme change to 4-3....

I’m not excited, I pray I’m wrong. But nothing in Spags history points to anything but next year being the same without pass rush. We have to hit on all our draft picks and FA just to have a chance to be middle of pack.

Hell no.

His ****ed up knee means he can turn and run with anyone faster than an offensive lineman. Houston is a DE from now on.

1. Restructure Houston's contract.
2. Tag and trade Ford.
3. Cut Ragland, Sorensen and Murray.
4. Draft: Amani Oruwariye, CB, Penn State, Germaine Pratt, LB, N.C. State and Nasir Adderley, S, Delaware in the first two rounds.

Speaks - Nnadi - Jones - Houston
DOD - Pratt - Hitchens
Fuller - Berry/Lucas - Adderley/Watts - Oruwariye

I swear. If I hear out Houston in coverage one more time I’m gonna lose my ****ing mind

Damn skippy, lets get that 43 rolling

Thank God mgmt made the right call and opted for radical change... the ball is now in Veach's court, go get us some freaking TALENT

Nothing? Like the rings that he has or the time when he had a top 10 defense? Nothing?

Shut down Tom Brady in the Superbowl during his best season in the NFL. Extremely impressive, no matter how far back that was.

No one is going to trade for ford, it’s not happening

That's a pretty atrocious hire, and it cements Veach as Reid's stooge. Reid's myopia for his old buddies is going to hold the whole team back.

The first indicator about the status quo is if Spagnuolo keeps most of our existing coaches. Giving all the coach speak about how good they are and how they can handle any scheme. That means Reid talked to him about it because he wanted a DC who would keep everything close to the same as it was.

I will be shocked if Britt Reid still isn't coaching for us next year.

13 years and 8 years ago respectively......

Who gives a shit if Britt Reid is still here? Jones, Bailey, and Nnadi weren't THAT bad. ILBs and DBs were far worse.

But but but he had talent! :rolleyes:

It’s only impressive if you don’t, yet it’s impossible to do it without it.

And yet Spags routinely coached D's that were worse.

To me, I interpret this hire as a nice breath of fresh air.

Some ppl think Spags is Sutton 2.0.

I'll say this, Spags isn't passive and don't coach like a pussy like Sutton does. At least he is aggressive and will try to attack the opposing offense unlike grandpa Bob who trembles in fear and is afraid to give up the big plays. Im sick of the prevent and 3 man rush and DB's playing off rather than pressing. I think we'll see less of that with Spags.

I remembered with the Giants, Spags ran and emphasized on a blitz heavy scheme which is totally Anti-Sutton. it's about time we get aggressive rather than passive. Im at least looking forward to us attacking more as a defense. That'll be nice to see.

Defense hasn't taken snap #1 under this guy and you all already have him worse than Sutton.....LMAO

I also wonder if spagnuolo will benefit from having an experienced head coach. Thing about players coaches is sometimes they don't manage players well. Romeo coordinates a really disciplined defense, but hes too nice of a guy to manage them. It's possible spagnuolo has some Romeo in him. Couldn't manage his own team, couldn't manage dysfunctional locker rooms under Joe vitt and Ben mcadoo. But he seemed fine under Coughlin. He definitely won't have to worry about that under Reid.

What? Super Bowl XLII was played in 2008. Don't even know where you're getting that math from.

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I guess it's possible you could get a 6th or 7th rounder for him, but yeah, nobody is giving up significant draft picks for a player you have to turn around and pay market value wage unless it's a QB.

Andy Reid, his father, the man in charge in KC.......

No 3-4 defense will trade for a pass rusher with 13 sacks? Really?

Just bookmark this thread because I will eat crow if I’m wrong. But we will be around the same next year with less sacks is my call

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I know. What I am saying is why would we so desperately want him gone? He's on the staff purely because of nepotism, but at least he does his job. DeLeone better get the **** out now, with Harris not far behind.

I think that Williams was just signed on a one year deal, so I'm not sure that he'll be back. What about Speaks? I would assume that he's your DE. I assume that Ragland won't be back. Buffalo traded him to us when they switched to a 4-3 because he didn't fit. It'll be interesting to see if Ford is tagged and traded. After this year, he will be starting if he's not traded. And what about Neimann? Does he fit the 4-3?

You think other teams don’t know we are not going to pay him. He has no place in a 4-3

Right now there are three very good explanations for his last three defenses shortcomings. We will see if they are excuses, or if they are reasons. I have no expectations of a consistent top 10 defense. But I really doubt his defense is going to be one of the worst. I think his floor is bottom third with a decent shot to be top 20.

Andy can always find a position for Britt, on either side of the ball. Too early to guess what changes Spags will make on position coaches. But he could ax the whole group and Britt could still have a job.

Well, most fans are stupid and think blitzing is a panacea. Seems like the best way to evaluate a DC is to look at how good his defenses are and weigh that against their talent. YMMV

If none of the other coaches are fired then I will be less than thrilled. They are the ones the players spend most if not all their time with and the ILB's and DB's all ****ing sucked. Sutton sucked but so did most of the other defensive coaches.

The point was about the status quo. Whether Andy hired one of his buddies and everything is going to stay the same? Normally a new coordinator strips things down and kicks ass. They want their guys, not someone else's.

If the only thing that changes is the name of our Defensive Coordinator then that is disappointing.


It will be interesting to see what happens.

Well he has had two 32nd ranked defenses so don’t doubt the man!

Barring a complete overhaul of the coaching staff....I'd move Mike Smith to LBs coach, keep Reid at defensive line and trash Harris/Thomas.

He ain't lying

Just saw a horrifying stat about our 2018 defense. We gave up 26.2 first downs per game (wtf?) and the next worse was Cleveland at 23.6.

Thomas retired.

Well we're half way there then.

DJ as an assistant, I bet. I'm sure Spagnuolo and Reid have already had a conversation or two about it.

Robert Mathis and Dwight Freeney played in a 4-3...

What are those explanations?

yep

K your point?

I'll wait to see what we do at the draft, free agency, training camp and HOLY SHIT MAYBE EVEN A LIVE REGULAR SEASON FOOTBALL GAME OR TWO before I get too worked up one way or the other about this.

What a surprise! Andy hires an old buddy.

Hopefully this doesn’t **** Pat and all of us out of a couple more Super Bowls . . . .

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Fallout of Bountygate and McAdoo being a total dumpster fire of a head coach. I don't necessarily agree with them, but those are the arguments.

Sorry for my Q

Reid knows what he’s doing. There’s no doubt about it.

Basically he bad at making adjustments?

I'm with you bricks. Anything to get away from that damn passive-ass defensive mindset. Ugh.

And what's with all of the "Reid and his old cronies"? Were he and Bienemy old cronies? Seems like Bienemy only played one year for Reid in Philly? How about he and Sutton? Was there a close relationship there before Reid hired Sutton?

Now, if the thought is that he's very loyal to the people he's hired, well that might be true to a point (ask Uncle Bob about that point), but that's not the same thing as a new hire.

I also heard the argument that a Spags hire was too "easy". Gosh, maybe that means that Spags met all of Reid's needs to a T. That's not "easy", that's great!

Color me homer, but I'm very excited to see a DC that isn't (A) learning the ropes of how to be an NFL DC (no babysitting required!) and who (B) has an aggressive mindset.

Let's roll boys!!!