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Hammock Parties 11-04-2018 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 13869580)
ROFL

**** off

you're still wrong, as per the other ruling I just cited

you ain't been citing shit this whole thread

suzzer99 11-04-2018 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SupDock (Post 13869564)
It is. The source I found it from had the incorrect ruling number.

It is actually A.R. 8.97

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...ttkeorBIEN0ueL

That link only goes up to 8.76 for me.

rabblerouser 11-04-2018 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13869563)
That's wrong, actually.

The very FIRST stipulation for intentional grounding is QB pressure.

It's the first sentence!!!! HA!!!

HA!!!!

Even when you're proven wrong, you still have to be right in your own mind.

I don't give a **** what you think, Claynus. It's ****ing intentional grounding, the 'lack of QB pressure' has **** ALL bearing on the rule as it was enforced in this situation, but you keep clinging to your delusions.

Everyone else in this thread now knows that it was the correct call, and that Reid and Mahomes ****ed up.

Cry yourself to sleep over it, I'm gonna go do something else now.

rabblerouser 11-04-2018 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13869578)
NOT intentional grounding. There's virtually no difference between out of bounds and what Mahomes did.

ROFL

suzzer99 11-04-2018 07:32 PM

I found one from 2017. https://nflcommunications.com/Docume...20Rulebook.pdf

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A.R. 8.87 INTENTIONAL GROUNDING—SPIKE TO CONSUME TIME
First-and-10 on B30. The game clock is stopped with six seconds left in the first half. QBA1 takes the snap and
immediately spikes the ball into the ground to take one second off the clock so that a field-goal attempt will run out
the clock.
Ruling: Half over. Intentional grounding and a 10-second runoff. A QB can only spike the ball to stop a running game
clock. An attempt to take time off the clock is intentional grounding.
I guess the numbers change every year.

But the thing is they have other places where the refs are supposed to make a judgement in call in the QBs intentions - specifically for intentional grounding. So here it's clear the QB is doing it to burn of more time so a FG attempt would run out the clock. Which clearly is not what the Chiefs were doing. I can easily see how the refs could interpret it a different way and not call a penalty on KC.

I see why they made the rule though. They don't want a team spiking it 3 times to burn 3 seconds off the clock before a game-ending FG attempt. That would be annoying and taking advantage of the spike rule. But again - clearly not what the Chiefs were doing.

The average fan has no idea how complicated the rules really are. I was discussing this play during the game and my casual fan cousin was looking at me like I was speaking Swahiii.

Hammock Parties 11-04-2018 07:33 PM

The ruling they used is wrong, though.

Mahomes WASN'T trying to run time off the clock.

The ruling that should have been used:

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A.R. 8.29 Second-and-10 on B20. Quarterback deliberately throws the ball out of bounds to stop the game clock.

Ruling: The pass was not thrown away to prevent loss of yardage. A’s ball third-and-10 on B20.

rabblerouser 11-04-2018 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus (Post 13869557)
Now if this is real, that is clear writing stating where they got their ruling and I would say they were correct. A provision should be included on the rules site, but if this is something that NFL teams are provided then this was handled correctly.

Correct.

Hammock Parties 11-04-2018 07:35 PM

Basically all this proves is NFL refs are inconsistent ****tards.

And in a game where they literally gave Cleveland a bonus half yard on a 4th down spot to start the game...they also ****ed the Chiefs again at the end of the half.

Because that was the plan from the beginning.

Flying High D 11-04-2018 07:36 PM

Does anybody know what Mahomes intention was?

suzzer99 11-04-2018 07:37 PM

He thought the game clock was going to start on the refs whistle.

rabblerouser 11-04-2018 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13869615)
The ruling they used is wrong, though.

Mahomes WASN'T trying to run time off the clock.

The ruling that should have been used:

I'll agree to that; that crew sucked the balls of old men who piss themselves in nursing homes for their weekly public service.

They weren't trying to run time off the clock; they didn't realize that the ****ing clock wasn't going to start when the refs wound the play clock...

Which is on Reid, Kafka, and to a lesser extent, Mahomes.

Mahomes just screwed the pooch and got the correct penalty, but the refs fell backwards into it - it was a MISTAKE. Classic Full Reidtard clock management...thank GOD it was against Cleveland in the regular season.

DaFace 11-04-2018 07:37 PM

I'm not sure if anyone else is still confused about the 10-second runoff like I was, but just for the record, I looked it up, and that was called correctly too.

The issue is that the clock was moving WHEN THE PENALTY OCCURRED (as in, when the spike happened). It doesn't matter if the clock was stopped before the play because the clock started when Mahomes snapped the ball.

I really don't think that what we saw was really in the spirit of those rules, and it's clearly a rare situation, but technically the refs did everything correctly in this situation.

rabblerouser 11-04-2018 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 13869630)
He thought the game clock was going to start on the refs whistle.

Correct.

Flying High D 11-04-2018 07:42 PM

If the ref hadn’t started the clock or blew his whistle to start play how could be any penalty other that a false start?

rabblerouser 11-04-2018 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 13869632)
I'm not sure if anyone else is still confused about the 10-second runoff like I was, but just for the record, I looked it up, and that was called correctly too.

The issue is that the clock was moving WHEN THE PENALTY OCCURRED (as in, when the spike happened). It doesn't matter if the clock was stopped before the play because the clock started when Mahomes snapped the ball.

I really don't think that what we saw was really in the spirit of those rules, and it's clearly a rare situation, but technically the refs did everything correctly in this situation.

Nope, they did it all correct.

It's on Mahomes, Reid, and the OC/QB coach to scream into Mahomes's ear piece NOT TO SPIKE.

Did Mahomes make the mistake thinking the game clock would start with the play clock?

Or did Reid go Full Reidtard and tell someone in the chain to spike the ball??

That's the REAL question.

rabblerouser 11-04-2018 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Flying High D (Post 13869663)
If the ref hadn’t started the clock or blew his whistle to start play how could be any penalty other that a false start?

Ref blew the whistle and started the play clock.

Someone posted the video link about a page ago. Check it out...

Hammock Parties 11-04-2018 07:45 PM

Actually, that's a very good point.

Reid and Mahomes came out looking fairly dumb on this.

rabblerouser 11-04-2018 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13869677)
Actually, that's a very good point.

Reid and Mahomes came out looking fairly dumb on this.

100%

DaFace 11-04-2018 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13869677)
Actually, that's a very good point.

Reid and Mahomes came out looking fairly dumb on this.

To be fair, I find all of the rules about when the clock does and does not run to be overly complex and somewhat nonsensical.

But yeah, Reid should know the rules. That's definitely on the coaches.

RunKC 11-04-2018 07:50 PM

Chiefs got some breaks from these guys too.

Dumbass Eric Murray should have been called OPI in the end zone giving them 1st and goal from the 1.
Ron Parker’s dumbass is damn lucky he wasn’t flagged on Chris Jones sack. Jones was clearly holding him on the sack (smart play by him) as the play was dead and Parker’s dumbass comes out of nowhere to helmet-to-helmet hit Baker.

The refs were awful today but the bigger problem is Andy not controlling this team. We were the 3rd worst penalized team before today. It’s been a big problem all season.

rabblerouser 11-04-2018 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 13869688)
To be fair, I find all of the rules about when the clock does and does not run to be overly complex and somewhat nonsensical.

But yeah, Reid should know the rules. That's definitely on the coaches.

If I know it, Reid DEFINITELY should.

Is it Kafka or Beinemy who is actually talking to Mahomes' headset when relaying plays and protections?

rabblerouser 11-04-2018 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13869698)
Chiefs got some breaks from these guys too.

Dumbass Eric Murray should have been called OPI in the end zone giving them 1st and goal from the 1.
Ron Parker’s dumbass is damn lucky he wasn’t flagged on Chris Jones sack. Jones was clearly holding him on the sack (smart play by him) as the play was dead and Parker’s dumbass comes out of nowhere to helmet-to-helmet hit Baker.

The refs were awful today but the bigger problem is Andy not controlling this team. We were the 3rd worst penalized team before today. It’s been a big problem all season.

Absolutely - between the end of half shitshow and the penalties, there's a LOT we can't get away with against the Patriots/Steelers/Saints/Rams/etc come Jan/Feb.

Flying High D 11-04-2018 08:00 PM

Ron Turdboat

rabblerouser 11-04-2018 08:15 PM

Mahomes says he was trying to stop the clock and save the timeout at the end of the half...and that Full Reidtard didn't know he couldn't do that.


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Flying High D 11-04-2018 08:17 PM

He’ll know next time.

rabblerouser 11-04-2018 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Flying High D (Post 13869814)
He’ll know next time.

Well...ya know, that'd be the funny thing about Reid and these incidents of botched game-clock management/situational snafus and plain not knowing the rules :

He doesn't learn.

He commits the same ****ing mistakes, over and over and over...for 20 years now, it's been who he is and what he does.

There's a thread about it, I forget who started it...

Flying High D 11-04-2018 08:28 PM

Well then in that case, hopefully PMII will know.

rabblerouser 11-04-2018 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Flying High D (Post 13869861)
Well then in that case, hopefully PMII will know.

Exactly.

Dartgod 11-04-2018 08:58 PM

Well, nice to see that Clay and Rabblerouser ****ing ruined this thread with their bickering.

Flying High D 11-04-2018 09:05 PM

We needed more shagging.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-04-2018 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 13869801)
Mahomes says he was trying to stop the clock and save the timeout at the end of the half...and that Full Reidtard didn't know he couldn't do that.


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Oh shit... and so it begins. He's starting to work around Reidtards shitty game day management, and will slowly but surely take over.
Much like HGH, it WILL be His Show, and right soon.

Amen.

rabblerouser 11-04-2018 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 13870003)
Well, nice to see that Clay and Rabblerouser ****ing ruined this thread with their bickering.

Actually, we engaged in discourse on the thread topic.

Which is, if I'm not mistaken, the point of what we're doing here.

This must be the link you were searching for :


https://www.gayforum.org

You'll find the banter much more to your liking.

rabblerouser 11-04-2018 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 13870119)
Oh shit... and so it begins. He's starting to work around Reidtards shitty game day management, and will slowly but surely take over.
Much like HGH, it WILL be His Show, and right soon.

Amen.

Indeed.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-04-2018 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 13870138)
Actually, we engaged in discourse on the thread topic.

Which is, if I'm not mistaken, the point of what we're doing here.

This must be the link you were searching for :


https://www.gayforum.org

You'll find the banter much more to your liking.

LMAO

You ****in' TELL 'em Boo!

Maine 11-04-2018 09:38 PM

ankle - brady hurt him

jjjayb 11-04-2018 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 13869801)
Mahomes says he was trying to stop the clock and save the timeout at the end of the half...and that Full Reidtard didn't know he couldn't do that.


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And neither did any of the anouncers or 99.9% of people watching the game. If it was a penalty because the clock wasn't running, how the hell can there be a 10 second runoff?

Dartgod 11-04-2018 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 13870138)
Actually, we engaged in discourse on the thread topic.

Which is, if I'm not mistaken, the point of what we're doing here.

This must be the link you were searching for :


https://www.gayforum.org

You'll find the banter much more to your liking.

I'm not really interested in what sites you have on your favorites list.

SupDock 11-04-2018 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jjjayb (Post 13870198)
And neither did any of the anouncers or 99.9% of people watching the game. If it was a penalty because the clock wasn't running, how the hell can there be a 10 second runoff?

Intentional grounding gets a run off no matter what at the end of games

DaFace 11-04-2018 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jjjayb (Post 13870198)
And neither did any of the anouncers or 99.9% of people watching the game. If it was a penalty because the clock wasn't running, how the hell can there be a 10 second runoff?

...



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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 13869632)
I'm not sure if anyone else is still confused about the 10-second runoff like I was, but just for the record, I looked it up, and that was called correctly too.

The issue is that the clock was moving WHEN THE PENALTY OCCURRED (as in, when the spike happened). It doesn't matter if the clock was stopped before the play because the clock started when Mahomes snapped the ball.

I really don't think that what we saw was really in the spirit of those rules, and it's clearly a rare situation, but technically the refs did everything correctly in this situation.


rabblerouser 11-04-2018 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jjjayb (Post 13870198)
And neither did any of the anouncers or 99.9% of people watching the game. If it was a penalty because the clock wasn't running, how the hell can there be a 10 second runoff?

Because those are the rules.
Intentional Grounding always gets a 10 sec runoff at the end of the half.
No matter what.

rabblerouser 11-04-2018 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SupDock (Post 13870375)
Intentional grounding gets a run off no matter what at the end of games

I mean, if I wasn't such a Chiefs fan I'd put my app in to coach the Browns.

I'd rather train under Reid and become the heir apparent here though...

I need to call Clark and see about that...

Because I guess I understand the rules better than guys whose job is to know all the rules.

Wasn't Reid on the ****ing Rules Committee AND Comp Committee at various times over his 20 year head coaching career??

:facepalm:

rabblerouser 11-04-2018 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 13870181)
LMAO

You ****in' TELL 'em Boo!

:D

How you been, Sweets?

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-04-2018 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 13870556)
:D

How you been, Sweets?

Doing well my friend and enjoying some excellent Chiefs football for a long-overdue change.

rabblerouser 11-04-2018 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 13870571)
Doing well my friend and enjoying some excellent Chiefs football for a long-overdue change.

ROFL

Wolfy came down from KC today, we went to Stadium Grill and Falcons/Skins was on the TV next to Chiefs/Browns


We got quite a chuckle.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-04-2018 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 13870598)
ROFL

Wolfy came down from KC today, we went to Stadium Grill and Falcons/Skins was on the TV next to Chiefs/Browns


We got quite a chuckle.

I used to really hate watching Alex play, but now I love it so very very much.

rabblerouser 11-04-2018 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 13870605)
I used to really hate watching Alex play, but now I love it so very very much.

I'm like, well...leading his division, high completion percentage, aversion to big plays, will keep you in the game and maybe give a chance to win...but won't go TAKE it...yep, Washington got exactly what they wanted, I guess.

ROFL

RockChalk 11-05-2018 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13868173)
The worst culprit was the female ref, she was on the Browns sideline and nearly all of the penalties on the Chiefs came from her.

I have a good friend who's Uncle is a Side Judge. He said the female ref is the lowest graded official every game, every year. She was set to get fired before the 2018 season, but they have no competent female replacement and with the MeToo/Women's movement being a hot topic, they decided against making waves by firing their only female official.

He has said that she doesn't know the rules and often makes call based on whatever the coaches/players yell at her to call.

notorious 11-05-2018 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by RockChalk (Post 13870973)
I have a good friend who's Uncle is a Side Judge. He said the female ref is the lowest graded official every game, every year. She was set to get fired before the 2018 season, but they have no competent female replacement and with the MeToo/Women's movement being a hot topic, they decided against making waves by firing their only female official.

He has said that she doesn't know the rules and often makes call based on whatever the coaches/players yell at her to call.

Can we request her to ref on our sideline during the AFC championship game?

htismaqe 11-05-2018 10:55 AM

The grounding call was one of the worst calls I've ever seen.

The nullification of the strip sack was just mystifying.

The entire game was poorly officiated. They missed a DPI on KC early in the game that was a huge momentum shift too.

SuperBowl4 11-05-2018 11:12 AM

That Dee Ford play? What the hell was that? No explanation from this crew about what happened? The sack and recovery that should have happened but didn't. This really needs some explaining from the NFL. :cuss:

rabblerouser 11-05-2018 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperBowl4 (Post 13871083)
That Dee Ford play? What the hell was that? No explanation from this crew about what happened? The sack and recovery that should have happened but didn't. This really needs some explaining from the NFL. :cuss:

He was offsides. I guess.

Frazod 11-05-2018 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13871034)
The grounding call was one of the worst calls I've ever seen.

The nullification of the strip sack was just mystifying.

The entire game was poorly officiated. They missed a DPI on KC early in the game that was a huge momentum shift too.

Triplette would have blown the whistle and sited forward progress.

philfree 11-05-2018 11:18 AM

They blew the spot on the Browns first possession giving them a 1st down. Terrible.

htismaqe 11-05-2018 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 13871117)
They blew the spot on the Browns first possession giving them a 1st down. Terrible.

Yep. That one too.

Flying High D 11-05-2018 12:18 PM

If the NFL is rigged can we please have some documentation? There’s a stool
Pigeon in ever batch.

Frazod 11-05-2018 12:30 PM

Gee, this might help explain things a bit.

http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id...er-sportsbooks

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Kansas City closed as an eight-point favorite over the Cleveland Browns and won 37-21. Eighty-eight percent of the money wagered on the point spread at William Hill's sportsbooks in Nevada and New Jersey was on Kansas City.
I wonder if any of these zebra ****s woke up with horse heads in their beds this morning?

jjjayb 11-05-2018 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 13869801)
Mahomes says he was trying to stop the clock and save the timeout at the end of the half...and that Full Reidtard didn't know he couldn't do that.


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That's a lie. I heard his interview on the radio this morning and Mahomes clearly said that Reid and Schwartz had both told him he couldn't spike it in that situation. He said he thought he could get away with it.

Flying High D 11-05-2018 02:12 PM

The story always changes the morning after.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-05-2018 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jjjayb (Post 13871477)
That's a lie. I heard his interview on the radio this morning and Mahomes clearly said that Reid and Schwartz had both told him he couldn't spike it in that situation. He said he thought he could get away with it.

Mahomie being a good lad and covering up for his coach.

DaFace 11-05-2018 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jjjayb (Post 13871477)
That's a lie. I heard his interview on the radio this morning and Mahomes clearly said that Reid and Schwartz had both told him he couldn't spike it in that situation. He said he thought he could get away with it.

I still don't understand what he meant by that. What was he "trying to get away with"? Stopping the clock when it wasn't stopped? There has to be something that got lost in translation when he said that.

Chief Pagan 11-05-2018 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13871034)
They missed a DPI on KC early in the game that was a huge momentum shift too.

Yea that was a big miss. I turned to my buddy and said that's a flag right after it happened.

There was another I would have been upset about if I was a Brown's fan.

On the third and 20 screen pass to Ware, as Ware is still a couple of yards short of the first down and running towards the sideline, before cutting up field again, there is a block in the back that wasn't called. The announcers didn't comment on it. The block in the back kept the defender off of Ware.

htismaqe 11-05-2018 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 13871562)
I still don't understand what he meant by that. What was he "trying to get away with"? Stopping the clock when it wasn't stopped? There has to be something that got lost in translation when he said that.

It's all blah blah blah speak anyway.

The refs screwed up. He spiked the ball after a penalty, which would NORMALLY be grounding. The problem is that the penalty was DECLINED and the clock was running. Terrible call.

rabblerouser 11-05-2018 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Flying High D (Post 13871272)
If the NFL is rigged can we please have some documentation?


https://www.businessinsider.com/supe...oodell-2013-10

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Baltimore Ravens linebacker Terrell Suggs says NFL commissioner Roger Goodell "had a hand" in the power outage that delayed the Super Bowl for 34 minutes last February.

The Ravens were up 28-6 in the third quarter when the lights at the Superdome in New Orleans went out. The 49ers went on a furious comeback when play resumed, narrowing the gap to 28-23 before Baltimore pulled away for good.

Suggs told ESPN that the blackout was a ploy:

"I was like Vegas, parlor tricks, you know what I mean? I was like, ahh, Roger Goodell, he never stops, he always has something up his sleeve. He just couldn't let us have this one in a landslide, huh?
I thought he had a hand in it. Most definitely, he had a hand in it."

Officials said a shoddy relay - a device designed to protect the building from a power failure - caused the outage.

Suggs isn't the first Raven to call it a conspiracy.

Last month ESPN's Ray Lewis told an NFL Films documentary that it can't see how the blackout wasn't pre-planned:

"... You cannot tell me somebody wasn't sitting there and when they say, 'The Ravens (are) about to blow them out. Man, we better do something
.' ... That's a huge shift in any game, in all seriousness. And as you see how huge it was because it let them right back in the game."
The main takeaway here is that players don't trust Goodell. Since he became commissioner he has had an antagonistic relationship with players. When they view him as dictator who abuses his own power, conspiracies like this are going to inevitably pop up
https://www.brandonsteiner.com/blogs...bowl-iii-fixed

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Bubba Smith was an outstanding, 6’7” defensive end who played nine years in the NFL for the Colts, Raiders and Oilers – from 1967 to 1976. He later became an actor, best known for his role as Moses Hightower in the Police Academy movies.

In 1969, Smith started for the Colts in one of the most famous games of all-time, Super Bowl III. Before the game, Jets quarterback Joe Namath “guaranteed” an upset over the heavily-favored Colts, a prediction that came to pass when the Jets won 16-7.

But in 2004, in an interview I did with him for my first book, Bubba offered, shall we say, a different “take” on that storied game. (Sadly, Bubba died in 2011, at the age of 66.)

What was the hardest loss you experienced as a player?

The Jet game. Super Bowl III.

A lot of people talk about that game. They talk about Joe Namath, obviously. But they also talk about the game possibly being fixed? Were some players on the take? Do you feel your team just wasn’t up that day? Were the Jets that good?

No. The Jets were not that good….Something was happening and I didn’t know what it was. We were inside the 20 five times in the first half and came away with no points. That’s not characteristic of the Colts. You understand what I’m saying?

What do you think happened?

It was the difference between millions and billions and you just now are catching the billions side of it. When CBS went in to negotiate down…I think they were paying $750 million for four years and they wanted it to go back to $500 million. And they brought Rupert Murdoch in and he paid $1.5 billion. That was the start of the billions.

So was it the team? Was it the referees or the league?

It was the quarterback. Honest. Between you and I, Carroll Rosenbloom (the Colts owner) bet $3 million on the Jets. (Colts Coach Don) Shula told (QB Johnny) Unitas to warm up for the second half. And Unitas got warmed up and said, “Well, we’re going to go with Earl (Morrall) a little while longer,” because Unitas, he’s so prideful, there was no way in hell you were going to tell Unitas to do this.
They didn’t put Unitas in until there’s six minutes to go in the game. And boom, boom, boom. He goes down to score. But he had to score three times in six minutes and no one can do that. You needed to give him time to do what he does so well, which is dissect the defense.

So that was the most difficult loss you’ve ever experienced?

I was wondering all along why (Jets QB) Joe (Namath) was guaranteeing a win
http://thefixisin.net/nfl2013.html

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Next time your friend(s) argue with you over the notion of the NFL fixing their own games for "entertainment purposes," higher ratings, more profit, etc. drop this little nugget on them: The NFL earns approximately $6 billion a year (more than 60% of its revenue which is enough to pay every players' and coaches' salary in the league) from its TV broadcast partners - ABC/ESPN/Disney, NBC, CBS/DirectTV, and FOX. Only Time Warner isn't directly involved with the NFL, though they do own Sports Illustrated and HBO - which aired Inside the NFL for 31 years. NO OTHER BUSINESS IN THE UNITED STATES IS DIRECTLY AFFILIATED WITH OR FUNDED BY THESE MAJOR MEDIA CONGLOMERATES EXCEPT THE NFL. Think about the implications of that.

I think the only people to care about the Titans v. Chiefs game was the referees. Jeff Triplette, who is one of the worst rated officials in the NFL and was yet awarded a playoff game, is supposedly retiring after his performance in this game. I'm surprised the NFL would want him to go. His "bad" calls have done a lot of good for the league. And on Saturday, they certainly helped the Titans. Triplette's crew somehow ruled a sack-fumble a non-fumble because of "forward progress" and later prevented another Titans fumble on a two-point conversion with a quick whistle (which would've been returned by the Chiefs for two points and changed the game from 22-21 Titans to 23-22 Chiefs).

You know it's bad when you see this post-game:


Mike Pereira

@MikePereira
Horrible way to start the playoffs. I hate to say it but this was not a good performance by the crew. Teams and fans deserve better.

6:50 PM - Jan 6, 2018
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Of course, Andy Reid didn't help his own cause by refusing to call the league's leading rusher Kareem Hunt's number for most of the second half when the Chiefs were leading 21-3. This is then chalked up as another one of Reid's patented "choke jobs," yet his 1-6 record in the playoffs since 2009 has yet to cost him his job. Anyone understand why if perfomance really matters in the NFL? Perhaps Reid's job is secure because he's a true "team player" for the NFL.

displacedinMN 11-05-2018 06:34 PM

Refs sucked.

Lucky it did not cost us anything

Go Chiefs.

Dartgod 11-05-2018 06:39 PM

So you have no proof.

:thumb:

suzzer99 11-05-2018 07:32 PM

The Hitchens penalty was really really weird.

I'm rewatching on Game Pass. Holy hell the announcers and refs had a TERRIBLE game.

Sequence of events on the Hitchens penalty and ejection:
  • Browns get 12 yards on on a screen pass on 3rd and goal from the 25 - so it should be 4th and goal from the 11.
  • Hitchens is in on the tackle.
  • Running back kicks Hitchens in the facemask.
  • Hitchens slaps the ball out of the RB's hand.
  • Refs immediately throw flag.
  • Hitchens and the RB basically hug it out.
  • Announcers have no idea what the flag is. Trent speculates it could remain 4th down but Browns get half the distance to the goal - which is literally impossible.
  • Refs call unsportsmanlike on Hitchens - 1st down Browns.
  • TV shows replay of Mayfield getting sacked instead of Hitchens play.
  • Hitchens continues to play until the 3rd Q runs out with the Browns on the 3 yard line.
  • Hitchens makes a tackle to end the 3rd Q.
  • 4th Q starts.
  • Announcers still have no idea Hitchens is gone, still babbling about Mayfield.
  • Supposedly the head ref announces Hitchens is gone at some point - but fails to turn on his mic.
  • Browns score TD. I don't see Hitchens on the field.
  • 2pt. attempt, no Hitchens.
  • Commercial.
  • Back from commercial, still no mention about Hitchens.

Am I missing something? I remember the announcers complaining about Hitchens ejection not being announced. I think they edited it out of the gamepass broadcast. Sneaky devils.

So what this means is the refs waited until the end of the 3rd Q - replayed the hit, saw that Hitchens didn't start it. And still decided to eject him. For slapping at the ball then hugging it out.

https://i.imgur.com/PHdaxaG.png

OMG look how violent.

https://i.imgur.com/K5LlB4L.jpg

Hitchens still on the field the play after the penalty.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-05-2018 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 13871977)
So you have no proof.

:thumb:

Not enough smoke for you?

Dartgod 11-05-2018 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 13872207)
Not enough smoke for you?

Terrell Suggs, Ray Lewis and Bubba Smith thinking "something was going on" is smoke?

ROFL

DaFace 11-05-2018 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13871915)
It's all blah blah blah speak anyway.

The refs screwed up. He spiked the ball after a penalty, which would NORMALLY be grounding. The problem is that the penalty was DECLINED and the clock was running. Terrible call.

This has obviously been thoroughly discussed in the thread, but the clock doesn't run after a declined penalty inside 5 minutes, and it wasn't running when he snapped the ball. It's an odd, special-case of the rule, but it's legit and was called correctly.

Reerun_KC 11-05-2018 07:57 PM

It was strange watching the play clock run and then the game clock tick from 9 to 8 seconds on the TV broadcast.

Then a penalty? So strange.


Clock was running. Ref ducked up!

DaFace 11-05-2018 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 13872259)
It was strange watching the play clock run and then the game clock tick from 9 to 8 seconds on the TV broadcast.

Then a penalty? So strange.


Clock was running. Ref ducked up!

Nope. Play clock is running. Game clock is not.

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Reerun_KC 11-05-2018 08:04 PM

Soon as snap happens game clock goes from 9-8.

DaFace 11-05-2018 08:07 PM

For what it's worth, Arrowhead Pride had a nice writeup about the rule itself and why it exists. As one example of where you could take advantage of this if the rule didn't exist:

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In a 2016 Monday Night Football game between the Buffalo Bills and Seattle Seahawks, Buffalo spiked the ball because their field goal kicker Dan Carpenter had been injured on a field goal attempt. Since the injury occurred with less than two minutes remaining, the Bills were charged with an injury timeout, and by rule, Carpenter had to leave the field for at least one play. So the Bills spiked the ball on a stopped clock, so that Carpenter could come back on the field and try again.

No intentional grounding penalty was called on the Bills. But it’s easy to see why there should have been some kind of penalty, because the Bills essentially skirted the rules. It would be reasonable to think that after the 2016 game, NFL referees were instructed that in such a situation, teams should be penalized.
https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...fs-browns-game

DaFace 11-05-2018 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 13872277)
Soon as snap happens game clock goes from 9-8.

Not sure what your point is. In what scenario would the clock NOT run during play?

SupDock 11-05-2018 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 13872172)
The Hitchens penalty was really really weird.

I'm rewatching on Game Pass. Holy hell the announcers and refs had a TERRIBLE game.

Sequence of events on the Hitchens penalty and ejection:
  • Browns get 12 yards on on a screen pass on 3rd and goal from the 25 - so it should be 4th and goal from the 11.
  • Hitchens is in on the tackle.
  • Running back kicks Hitchens in the facemask.
  • Hitchens slaps the ball out of the RB's hand.
  • Refs immediately throw flag.
  • Hitchens and the RB basically hug it out.
  • Announcers have no idea what the flag is. Trent speculates it could remain 4th down but Browns get half the distance to the goal - which is literally impossible.
  • Refs call unsportsmanlike on Hitchens - 1st down Browns.
  • TV shows replay of Mayfield getting sacked instead of Hitchens play.
  • Hitchens continues to play until the 3rd Q runs out with the Browns on the 3 yard line.
  • Hitchens makes a tackle to end the 3rd Q.
  • 4th Q starts.
  • Announcers still have no idea Hitchens is gone, still babbling about Mayfield.
  • Supposedly the head ref announces Hitchens is gone at some point - but fails to turn on his mic.
  • Browns score TD. I don't see Hitchens on the field.
  • 2pt. attempt, no Hitchens.
  • Commercial.
  • Back from commercial, still no mention about Hitchens.

Am I missing something? I remember the announcers complaining about Hitchens ejection not being announced. I think they edited it out of the gamepass broadcast. Sneaky devils.

So what this means is the refs waited until the end of the 3rd Q - replayed the hit, saw that Hitchens didn't start it. And still decided to eject him. For slapping at the ball then hugging it out.

https://i.imgur.com/PHdaxaG.png

OMG look how violent.

https://i.imgur.com/K5LlB4L.jpg

Hitchens still on the field the play after the penalty.

Hitchens was really ejected? How did I miss that?

Reerun_KC 11-05-2018 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 13872286)
Not sure what your point is. In what scenario would the clock NOT run during play?

No point. . Like Mitch Holtus said. Never in his 25 years of broadcasting has he ever seen it and it will be another 25 years before he sees that play again.

DaFace 11-05-2018 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SupDock (Post 13872289)
Hitchens was really ejected? How did I miss that?

Could be wrong, but I don't think so. I certainly can't find anything about it on the interwebs outside of this thread.

If he wasn't on the field, it's probably just because he was still pretty banged up, and the game was well in hand.

Flying High D 11-05-2018 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SupDock (Post 13872289)
Hitchens was really ejected? How did I miss that?

A lot was missed in this game, I heard that female ref was rattling chicken bones, saying a chant and throwing drops of bat blood.

Naptown Chief 11-05-2018 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 13872311)
Could be wrong, but I don't think so. I certainly can't find anything about it on the interwebs outside of this thread.

If he wasn't on the field, it's probably just because he was still pretty banged up, and the game was well in hand.

Combination of that and believing he threw a punch. I doubt he was ejected and would instead believe he was pulled


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