I want you to point out how that is any different than our 1st round picks 3 out of the last 4 years...

Davis picked track athletes and tried to turn them into football players.

Dorsey picked good football players that were also fast.

I gather that you just don't think Dorsey is a good drafter? Do you also think that Veach was the guy who was really making all the picks?

As evidenced by this loaded Chiefs roster

isnt singletary black?

I'd argue he's done better after the 5th round than any GM in the league over the last 4 years.

I don't know what I don't know.

Veach hasn't drafted, hasn't had an offseason, hasn't had a preseason. I can't judge him.

I can judge a man who's had 3 full offseason/FA periods/trade deadlines to work his magic.

Just remember,

Getting rid of alex is not going to be easy unless you call a tow truck and have it hauled off as scrap.

That said do you not think that Dorsey will play hardball when it comes to making a deal for Alex11?



Veatch needs to be prepared to be "Bonused" by Dorsey on a Smith trade, plain and simple. The Chiefs are going to be the "Gurglers" on this deal if it happens.

its pretty clear that Veach was extremely important if not THE guy behind the picks

It's possible - not probable...

It's more than probable

Dorsey was obviously THE guy behind the picks in GB which is why he got hired here.

It doesn't mean much. Being a GM is a different type of job.

What

The

****

:facepalm:

In 2000, Dorsey returned to the Packers, taking over again as Director of College Scouting. He remained in that position through 2011, and winning a Super Bowl ring. In 2012, he was named Director of Football Operations.[4] He is credited with making the Packers one of the best drafting teams in the NFL, helping choose star players like Aaron Rodgers, Clay Matthews and Greg Jennings.[5]

He is well respected in GB and throughout the league for a reason Dane. You are entitled to your opinion of course but he's good IMO.

Dorsey had 38 draft picks while in Kansas City. Out of those 38, he drafted 3 Pro Bowlers in Kelce, Peters and Hill.

16 of those players started, with varying success rates:

2017 Kareem Hunt
2016 Chris Jones
2016 Eric Murray (Starter due to injury)
2016 DeMarcus Robinson (Starter due to injury)
2016 Parker Ehinger (IR)
2016 Tyreek Hill
2015 Marcus Peters
2015 Mitch Morse (always injured)
2015 Chris Conley (IR)
2015 Steven Nelson
2015 Rakeem Nunez-Roches
2014 Dee Ford (IR)
2014 Zach Fulton (Starter due to injury)
2014 LTD
2013 Eric Fisher
2013 Travis Kelce

I'm sorry, that's just an unimpressive list

This thread is amusing me, pretty typical though someone gets fired so obviously anything wrong with the team is his fault and he gets no credit for anything good.

You don't pay attention...

That's horseshit Wikipedia nonsense.

Ted Thompson is the GM and makes all of the final personnel decisions.

The vast majority of this thread is about how John Dorsey sucks, with a few nice posts sprinkled in.

Dorsey made so many **** ups, especially with contracts and free agency that this team has been in Salary Cap Hell for two years and the result is currently a 4 game losing streak and a 1-6 record in the past 7 games.

I said it before and I'll say it again: Had Brett Veach not traded for Ragland and KPL, this defense would be even further in the shitter.

Five drafts, one playoff win.

Fired.

Dorsey does get credit for the good things he did while here. The problem is, that list has grown shorter and shorter by the week this season. This was the 5th year of 'his roster', and it looks worse than it has at any point during the Reid/Dorsey tenure.

If Mizzou had Mahomes in 2016, we go atleast 6-6

I'm pretty sure the terrible coaching has way more to do with the 1-6 record than a guy who hasn't been here for 6 months.

The team isn't even untalented. Also someone argue to me that anyone is better at picking up dudes that get cut and finding talent there.

It's mildly ironic that the year he's gone we resemble more of Reid's end of tenure in Philly than anything else.

There is plenty of talent on this roster. Eric Berry is playing this team is a SB contender.. It's not Dorsey's fault he got hurt.. I know all NFL teams have injuries but he was one we could not afford. Just bad luck but Dorsey did great here. Kelce, Tyreek and Hunt are going to be this teams cornerstone for years to come.

We've had a lot of bad luck with injuries during Dorsey's tenure here.. It sucks but every year the talent is always there for us to make the playoffs which is why we did pretty much every year he was here. Reids a great coach but players play the game.

Hey John Dorsey thank you for drafting Patrick Mahomes II. Now can you do us one other solid? Trade for Alex Smith. That be great. He can be your mentor for the Quarterback your gonna draft with your first pick.

I'd throw the flag and disagree here.

Most of our team can run fast. Jump far. Change direction.

Can't tackle. And you can't argue this when KC is 3rd worst at broken tackles. Whiffed tackles. Some people call them missed tackles.

I'd call it being soft.

You can be fast. You can lift weights. You can blaze that schuttle time.

But they can't play. They're sloppy in technique, sloppy in tackling (retro: 2004 defense) and have no drive outside of their own ability to market.

Who drafted Eric Berry again?

Then don't hire a geriatric defensive coordinator that might help or get some coaches that you know can actually coach.

Also the league is full of dudes who don't tackle the lack of practices does this.

Every GM inherits some talent it's the NFL buddy.

I know, but my point is that for whatever reason, this roster was not prepared to take the hit of losing Berry whatsoever. In the past it was, but not this year. Personally I blame Sutton more than Dorsey, but either way it is an issue.

Eric Fisher
Dee Ford
Marcus Peters

If you're giving Dorsey credit, then he has to take the fall for the absolute horrific value his first 3 1st rd picks have brought this team this season.

You really can't hate on the Fisher pick. There was no other option. It was the worst class maybe in NFL history. He chose correctly between Fisher and Joeckel. Hopkins and Rhodes both went late 1st, but those would've been considered extreme reaches had they gone 1.1

Yea Eric Fisher is the best top 10 pick from that year...sad but true, you can't draft what isn't there.

And everyone loved Marcus Peters until not that long ago so yea.

The Dee Ford pick was bad. No way to defend that one.

But not the head coach? What about the offensive coordinator who went an entire season without a WR catching a TD pass?

This is such sloppy thinking it's like a DC POST.

What causes the lacking of spelling, punctuation, or message?

I stand by my claim that Dorsey was arguably the best GM at drafting during his tenure as Chiefs GM.

I have yet to see anyone name teams which did better, taking into account how high each player was drafted.

Of course the Chiefs are on a very bad run right now after looking like the best team in the league at the beginning of the season, but there is a reason why this team was said by many to be arguably the best roster top to bottom in the league not too long ago.

When.he sat 2 rows in front me at Sprint during the NBA game everyone knew who he right when we walked in.

Let's not pretend that coaching, staff, and ownership play no roles in that outcome.

I'm going to be watching this situation in Cleveland VERY closely over the next few years because my theories and feelings regarding Reid remain unchanged.

****ing reeruned

:facepalm:

When the Chiefs had the #1 Waiver Priority in 2013, the Chiefs claimed Jaye Howard, Marcus Cooper and Ron Parker. Those were nice additions.

Who else should be included in this list?

Kurt Coleman, who played in Philly under Reid?
Tyvon Branch, who was a medical disaster?
Jemell Fleming?

People on CP have over-exaggerated Dorsey's effectiveness for years while failing to mention all of the bad contracts including Vance Walker, Dywane Bowe, Tamba Hali, Bennie Logan, Dunta Robinson, Jeremy Maclin, Jaye Howard, Ben Grubbs, etc. and so on.

To the ship

@AdamSchefter: New Browns GM John Dorsey is on the board; releasing WR Kenny Britt.

Of course they played a role and a huge role at that.

The Chiefs couldn't win dick before Reid arrived and Dorsey failed to add any real top line talent in 2013 and 2014.

In 2014, the Chiefs lost starting defensive end Mike DeVito, Derrick Johnson and starter Jeff Allen in the first half of the first game. They lost Eric Berry to cancer and the team still finished with a winning records.

Hell, in 2015, they had to call up Charcandrick West and Spencer Ware from the practice squad because Dorsey failed to acquire adequate backups to Jamaal Charles.

Hue Jackson has had 1/50th the success of Andy Reid as a head coach in the NFL.

LMAO

Somewhat of a captive audience..

18,972 sports enthusiasts in a metroplex of 2,200,000 or .9% were at the game.


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You blame that on the play calling?

wut

Considering the fact that he is surely a smart enough man to have gleaned some important lessons from his time here... this will be one of the best moves Cleveland ever made IMO

The man isn't perfect, but will be the best football guy they've had in forever... I wish him and the Browns good luck

didn't they catch like 3 in the playoffs that year though :hmmm:

I already heard {on Dallas radio}that he's targeting Smith

is this real?

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/up...-real-life.jpg

Name a better GM the Chiefs have had recently...

did you bother even reading what was written?

nevermind

of course not

Congrats on the new team though

Couldnt have happened to a nicer guy

PABrownsGuy

My post has nothing do with the post you replied to. Once again, can you name a better Chiefs GM than Dorsey say within the last 30-yrs?

Perfect, that's a win/win

Nothing better than getting picks for Smith and him becoming a Brown.

shut the **** up and read what i wrote dipshit....

Off the top of my head, I would say the 1st 10 years of the carl peterson era was pretty solid..10 years of winning / playoffs......AFC championchip game....multiple playoff wins.....

acquired some great talent..

dorsey didnt top that....

its like God knew how much we have suffered and gave us all a christmas miracle

Lol

good response

list all of the achievements of dorsey

then list all of the achievements of peterson

then see who did more

The world didnt begin when we got Smith you ****ing imbecile

Carl Peterson was better than Dorsey in his first 4 years.

100% and his 1st 10 were pretty good in terms of all time GM's ever

the other fool thinks the world started when we Got smith and that a GM's single greatest achievement was trading two very high second round picks for alex smith

Eric Berry is not the difference maker you are stating. He's really good but when he was out with Lymphoma treatment our D didn't miss a beat. Our coaching is at fault for a poor D in my opinion. Peters attitude is undermining the team , finally he's being called out. DJ needs to be phased out. Ragland is going to be a GREAT pickup.

I completely disagree. Players impact the game far more than coaches. Coaches don't play. You can have the greatest scheme in the world but if the players don't execute it means nothing. You have a Pro Bowler like Eric Berry or any Pro Bowler playing they are going to make a difference. How big a difference is depends on a variety of factors but players impact the game the most.

But I respect your opinion.

Did I hurt your feelings? Sorry.. I forgot you throw a hissy fit anytime someone asks you a question you don't like...

PA, how do you think Alex will look in Cleveland's turd colors?

I think Dorsey will rock in Cleveland.

Shit, he can trade from Smith, pay him the 17 million left on that contract, and still draft a QB at the top of round one. And still have a ton of picks, and a damn talented roster.

I have little doubt he will be sucessful there.

Alex gets another year being the guy and then the Browns can have a full year to groom their rook.

I'd rather see Peterson at the bottom of a cliff than Dorsey, that said:

Do you really think Dorsey is going to actually make a deal for Smith that isn't just a token gesture? I bet he makes the last offer before Alex11 get waived and gets him for pennies on the dollar. Chief's will proclaim it was the best deal ever...

:facepalm:

The NFL is extremely QB needy.

There's no ****ing way Alex Smith is "waived".

If Alex finishes this season strong... more like what we saw last week than the month prior... he will absolutely fetch a draft pick of decent to good value.

LOL

you completely moved the goalposts....and you were STILL ****ing wrong you dumbass

the other guy said Dorsey was the best GM..period...at drafting within some period of time...

then YOU moved the goal posts to "dorsey is the best GM in the last 30 years of the Chiefs"

but guess what...you were still wrong ...because you are an imbecile.....

Browns fans will enjoy Alex's check down stuff against the Steelers/Ravens twice a year.:D

Dorsey is too smart to take Smith.

Smith was Reids baby.

I know we all hate Smith, but he would instantly give the Browns stability, and probably make them respectable in one season. That said he'd be a one season solution. Is that worthy of a pick? I think so.

:facepalm:

Smith would automatically be a better QB than anyone they've had since the 80's.

Sounds familiar.

Is there a reason you use the face palm smiley on literally every post you quote someone? Do you just have to come across as a giant douche every time you say something?

I'm not concerned about the success or failure of the Browns; that kind of thing has no place in my hemisphere anymore.
Mainly, it's just a curiosity to see what Dorsey and Veach can do, and I'm 1000% rooting for Veach.
I don't expect miracles from Veach, especially with the current state of picks available, the kiddie pool depth of the roster, and the laundry list of shit we need; the man has one tall ****ing mountain to climb right now while Dorsey is teeing off with a fistful of cash and a smoking Asian hooker under his desk, so to speak. :D

Nah, I think we're going to be okay and perhaps even MORE than okay if Mahomes becomes that QB that I'm all but convinced he can be. A great many idiots here have already claimed that I'm going to ride his ass mercilessly if he isn't perfect in year one, and they are dead...****ing...wrong. I've waited so long for this, there is no way in hell I'm going to go Full-reerun on the kid.
(Though I know some useless, Frisco dick-trash that absolutely will)

So the arrow is up, things look good, and I can say that I'm incredibly happy about where we're headed this offseason.


I do not say this lightly or in jest when I tell you that should that scenario occur, GM Veach IMMEDIATELY becomes a gold jacket member of the select club that includes Deity Stram, Young Passionate Hunt Sr., and Early Hungry Steadman.

Yes, it is THAT goddamned impressive.

**** off, Dickface

Not disagreeing with that. I agree Smith holds value and someone would trade for him for sure.

Just not sure it would be Dorsey

Here's the thing: Veach has been more impressive with his moves in June that Dorsey was for the entire year of 2016/2017.

Dorsey drafted one impact player in 2017 in Kareem Hunt, whose fallen off a cliff (for various reasons) since September.

Chris Jones was a nice 2nd round pick in 2016 but his play has dropped off considerably this year. We can chalk it up to his Arthroscopic Surgery just before Training Camp or this being his Sophomore Season. But either way, he's fallen off quite bit from where he ended 2016 and where he started 2017.

Before the 2016 season even started, KeiVarie Russell, a 3rd round CB, was cut. Parker Ehinger landed on IR after less than 5 games (and struggled in the ground game). DJ White has been cut. Eric Murray has been below average and while Tyreek Hill was awesome last year in multiple positions, he had seriously heavy baggage attached.

All that said, Veach signed Harrison Butker, who has been nothing short of awesome and traded a 2019 4th round pick (which equates to a 6th round 2019 pick) for Reggie Ragland, #2 linebacker coming out of high school and won a National Championship for Alabama in 2015. Ragland has been all over the field and his future is unlimited.

He also traded for Kevin Pierre-Louis, who's improving each week and has seen his snap count increasing each week.

The bottom line is that Veach has done more to affect the Chiefs 2017 season that Dorsey's done in two drafts.