Originally Posted by milkman (Post 13008277)

There was a 20 yard dart over the middle, late in the third quarter if I remember correctly, to Dieter(?), that was called back.

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 13008178)

Why would we replace Smitty? He has won 22 of his last 26 regular season games

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13007237)

Kizer looked the best of the group.

Then I'd say Mahomes had the second best day. JDKinsman is absolutely right. That TD pass is a play that other QBs in the NFL don't throw because they CAN'T. Throwing across your body even slightly is shunned in this league, and Mahomes makes it look effortless. He's going to use that a lot, and I don't think Reid and his staff are going to "coach" that out of him. Nor should they. THAT'S why you drafted this kid.

Trubisky was pretty good, though he looked a lot more erratic and less confident than Mahomes. He made big plays and didn't screw up, though. Not much more you can expect from a rookie.

Watson is the worst of the bunch. You were criticizing Mahomes earlier for his mechanics? What do you think Watson just put up yesterday? O

Two plays stand out in my mind and are evidently clear why Mahomes is a real professional QB and why Watson should take his talents to Canada if he wants a long term impact with a team. Those simple dig routes that Mahomes throws through tight windows--- one to Gehrig, and one to Robinson (again, called back on a penalty). Those were absolute dart throws. Tons of velocity with good location for the receiver to pick up on them without having to do a body contortion to have a shot at it. A throw Brett Favre has had success with hundreds of times with Donald Driver alone.

Those are the throws that make Mahomes so valuable. There are some very good starting QBs in the league right now who CAN'T make those simple 15-yard throws with the requisite velocity for a completion.

Watson is one of those guys who can't make those throws. You also compound that with his INACCURACY when even attempting a throw near the height of his velocity or throwing distance, and he becomes a real mess. Good playmaker, confident in the pocket (or whatever he would call one) and has a great clock in his head, knowing when he has to evade pressure. But he's got a problem with his arm-- the same problem that Doug Flutie had.

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13007987)

You have no clue what you're talking about, as usual.

Alex Smith gets erratic at times, yes? He's not the coolest cucumber when facing pressure. But he usually makes good choices, or at least choices that won't get him killed. That's what I meant. You can lack confidence and show it visibly and still make big plays. If the refs aren't shit heads on that Conley OPI, Tyler Bray has a pretty damn good TD to crow about. Big play. Was he a confident QB last night? Uhhh...

And I'm not talking about the first throw, dipshit. I know what a ****ing dart is. An arc is not a goddamn dart.

How am I doing the "My new car is shinier than yours" bit? The only QB I'm shitting on is Watson. I said the other guys looked pretty good. I even said a QB other than Mahomes looked the best out of the group of four. How the **** am I not being objective?

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 13008336)

Cross reference what is in bold. You already mentioned Dieter's dart, who was the other so called dart throw to if it was not Robinson that was called back? You meant what you said. Own it.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 13008426)

It was a decent debut for mahomes. All the main rookie QBs did well this week. I'd rank it Trub, Kizer, Watson, and then Mahomes.
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Originally Posted by JDKinman (Post 13009539)

Fair assessment.

The San Fran game reminded me of Mahomes' freshmen year when he made the starting lineup.

He wasn't ready then and he's not ready now.

The difference was that at Tech, he was the best QB to put in. That is not the case this year in Kansas City. I am not an Alex Smith hater nor supporter. Smith is what he is and my opinion is not going to change that.

What we saw in the San Fran game is that there are ten more players on the offensive side of the ball that are directly relevant to the QB's success and in that game, most of them failed. And just like at Tech, on the defensive side of the ball, there are eleven players that have a direct impact on the degree of urgency a QB must play with in order to win a game.

And given the (KC) defense's inability to wrap up and finish/secure a tackle on the running game, I'm fairly certain Mahomes called up his dad and said, "Hell, this is just like playing at Tech except the other guys are bigger and faster."

He'll get there. The question is, how far do you want him to go? If he is pressured to start this season, I think a large number of people are going to be disappointed. The ideal situation will be to redshirt him and give him as many snaps as possible with the first and second teams and look for any and all opportunities to put him for several consecutive series during the regular season game.

Then, come 2018. . . sit back, pop open a beer and enjoy.

Us Tech alums, we've seen this show before. It's a good one.

JD

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 13009564)

You definitely nailed it about the rest of the team aside from PMII. Did not like how the 1st team o-line played at all and granted we had several starters out on the 1st team defense but they didn't look any better and only stepped up in the red zone looking a lot like last year. Hope the trench play on both sides drastically improves but I doubt it will.

Did you see where NFL Network's Top Fantasy Defense are the Chiefs ?? Man I hope this comes to real fruition but I seriously have my doubts.:shrug:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13009574)

What was wrong with the first team OL outside of run blocking? They kept Alex Smith upright pretty damn well and gave him lots of time to throw.

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 13009631)

Well the run blocking is HUGE because if you can't run the ball the defense then just tees off on the pass rush and I didn't see tons of time for Alex to throw. He is just PTSD'd enough to know when to step up and get rid of it out of not trusting more than adjustment IMHO. For my eyes it wasn't pretty at all. I was concerned last year about the OL and it came to fruition because we had a much tougher schedule in 16 than in 15 and this year's run defenses and pass rush defenses we will face in 17 are much tougher IMHO than last year. Watch your DVR game again and pay attention to the OL pass blocking. It wasn't pretty at all IMHO for an o-line that has played together now for 3-4yrs and supposedly ranked as a top five unit in the NFL. Pay particular attention to Alex's run.

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13009654)

You're not going to get much better than that, bud. That was moderately above average pass blocking. About 4 seconds per pass, maybe longer on some throws. Not even the Cowboys or the Raiders average more than 5-6+ seconds, which seems to be what you're expecting this offensive line to do.

Outside of blowing up the starting offensive line and replacing Fisher, Witzmann, and Morse with significant and expensive improvements, that's a pretty good line we've got in terms of pass blocking. They did fairly well on Friday.

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 13009665)

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 13007214)

I liked Kizer, glad to see he played well.

Can't say I watched all those guys snap for snap though. Did you?

Beathard did a good job on that long one spotting the falling player, but overall our 3rd team DB's were shit. Huge openings. The scrub DB's just seemed mismatched against their scrub WR's, and the playcalling was more aggressive. That TD Mahomes threw was tightly played.