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We have a new GM and his name is Brett Veach
(https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=308670)
Clark didn't like the way Dorsey communicated. FFS Dorsey's voicemail to Maclin is clearly what sent everyone over the edge.
Terez has a new video out and he said that word around the Chiefs and the league (so the Eagles) is that Veach is a very good communicator. |
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Projecting the desire image I guess is an important thing on the list of important things, apparently behind money, but before winning a super bowl. |
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Ryne Nutt heavily scouted Hill and Jones. It's a collaborative process. |
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May he step up and grab this franchise by the pussy and win us a championship
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I feel comfortable with Rynne Nutt, Brett Veach Mike Borgonzi along with Andy and his staff, but they have big shoes to fill.
God it was awesome having an all star staff with Ballard and Dorsey. There were so many talented people in one room with the ability to closely monitor every prospect. I'm worried that the quality will go down due to losing those 2 of our best men. I'm not saying we're going to shit, but those bargain bin guys and late round picks were huge for this team and you've got to think that Dorsey's job wasn't too difficult bc he had a damn good evaluator at every region of the country. |
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Quit spamming fake twitter profiles Knowmo
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Who the **** is that?
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Hey, we now know Knowmo's Twitter handle!
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I'm on the road but ill explain later |
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If Clark had the slightest thought about not wanting to extend Dorsey back in January, he should have cut ties the day after the playoff loss and kept Ballard. |
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Hopefully Veach is good enough for us not to regret it. |
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One question is did Andy have no prior knowledge that Maclin was a potential cap casualty? Its a really bad look for Reid (from the player's perspective)...to be at his wedding and acting like everything is great...knowing he was about to be released. Gives the impression of being underhanded...and dishonest. Dorsey hung him out to dry...if that was the case. It would explain the abrupt firing while already letting Ballard go. It wasn't a planned, premeditated thing..it's not the only reason he was fired but it was possibly the straw that broke it. a previous article stated that Dorsey started doing things without consulting others...maybe because of how the real power structure tied his hands? |
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him one in one |
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After Ballard was hired by the Colts, it became glaringly evident that Dorsey was a mess. He was unorganized, not a good communicator and made baffling decisions on his own. After the Maclin debacle, he pulled the trigger and fired Dorsey. I think the entire situation is a Catch-22. Clark obviously wasn't fond of Dorsey the person or his management style but the Chiefs have had the type of success that he and the fans have yearned for since the early 90's. I'm sure it was difficult to reconcile his dislike of Dorsey while simultaneously, the Chiefs were experiencing great success. Reportedly, Clark was able to overlook those issues until Ballard left, which exposed the dysfunction. In many ways, it sounds as if Ballard was covering Dorsey's tracks, per se. I'm just happy that Veach wasn't hired by Buffalo, as the Chiefs might be in real trouble after losing their #1, #2 and #3 guy. All that said, people have accused (myself included) Lamar Hunt from having a "Hands Off" policy, as evidenced by a 15 year playoff drought and the final 10 years of Carl Peterson's tenure. Now, the Chiefs have a more "Hands On" owner and it appears that Clark will continue, if not expand, his role in the organization. |
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Who gives a shit about one interview? |
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Where exactly were they expecting to make up this money? I'm not saying a run stuffing DT wasn't a higher priority...but KC didnt have the $$$. Maclin was cut to get under the cap....and Dorsey knew his contract allowed for it. |
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Duh. And the contract situation wasn't "coming up", as Dorsey had another year on his deal. He could have remained under employ for the 2017 League Year and would have had plenty of time to discuss an extension with his agent. Your rampant uninformed speculation is tiring. |
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Declining to sign Poe and signing Logan had absolutely nothing to do with Maclin's release, as Maclin stated that the Chiefs didn't even discuss renegotiating his contract. |
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Logan's 8 million had everything to due with being over the cap...he was the only expensive FA signed this year that wasn't already on the team. They were already up against the cap without Poe...hence moving Berry's real money to 2018/2019 and releasing Howard.. Dorsey didn't want to move Maclin's money around...they are going to have cash problems next season too. He wasn't worth his contract and it offered an out with minimal long-term damage. It was the right move...handled poorly. If Maclin wasn't Reid's surrogate son...it wouldn't have been such a big deal. IMO. |
Tim Terry is an interesting hire when they had the shake up in May. Obviously well known by Dorsey from working in GB. When Dorsey getting let go I wondered if Terry might have some regrets accepting with Dorsey being basically the only person he worked with before.
But Terry also started off in player development/engagement helping players deal with all sorts of things on and off field. Terry himself also has his masters, his being in management. So all of his education and roles in GB it's safe to assume he himself is a strong communicator fitting very well with Veach and possibly climbing the ladder quickly. Borgonzi I could see getting promoted. Only positions above his current one would be VP of player personnel, Director of Football operations ( Ballards last title in KC) or asst GM. Still wouldn't be surprised to see a Tom Gamble or even Grigson type come in as the short term #2 or #3 |
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If the Chiefs intended to cut Maclin for salary cap space, they could have done so on the 1st Day of the new League Year. There's absolutely NO WAY that Dorsey said to himself on March 13, "I'm going to sign Bennie Logan for $8 million, then next month, I'm going to cut Jaye Howard to gain $4-5 million more in cap space and on June 2nd, I'm cutting Maclin, take a Dead Money hit and create more Cap Space". No way. Also, the Chiefs are currently $11 million under the salary cap, so if Dorsey had approached Maclin and asked him to restructure to what he received in Baltimore ($6 million per), the Chiefs would STILL be $5 million under the cap. Your "theory" is complete and utter rubbish. |
This promotion appears to be the handy work of Andy.
Andy is pulling the strings and this feels very similar to the last couple of years in Philly....When Andy and Brett where running the show and the team won only 6 six games back to back years. Maybe they learned their lesson on not signing a bunch of free agents...I don't know. But, the eye for talent that Dorsey had will be hard to beat by anyone. |
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I love how all the dudes with no more insight into the Chiefs front office than my ****ing 4 year old grand daughter have all the answers-
This was a Reid power play Dorsey scouted every draft pick personally Dorsey didn't follow the dress code Let's at least make up something good. Dorsey was running a white slavery ring and selling local teenage girls into sexual slavery from his office at 1 Arrowhead. He kidnapped Clark's daughter and Clark wanted to give him a three week head start before he went all Liam Neeson on his ass. |
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Hunt seems to be so in love with Reid that he has all but handed the reins over to him, by getting rid of a GM that may have been a moderating influence and installing one from Reid's 'tree' that seems certain to be weaker than Dorsey or to not really be Reid's peer. In Philadelphia, Reid also got a GM partway through his run, in 2006, after he'd gone from a Super Bowl loss to 6-10. That GM was also one of Reid's people promoted from within. Heckert did not have the final say in player personnel, Reid still did, which is hopefully not what is developing in KC. The Eagles had a losing record in the postseason thereafter in Reid's run and never really contended again, although it took 6 more years for them to clean house. |
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That is certainly not the case |
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reid was running the show in 2007 he made veach his assistant so they were runnign shit...together stop being a ****ign asshole for once stop just trying to argue every little semantic thing and proving what badass you are, you make yourself look like a ****ing tool |
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The only person looking like a tool is you. Your argument yesterday was just as stupid and uninformed. |
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whose assistant was he you ****ing cock smoker? |
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He said Brett was "running the show" with Reid. That is simply not true. He was at the bottom of the latter starting his career. |
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wtf are you babbling about Reid was runnign shit. Veach was his assistant.....THEY were running shit...do you know what THEY means... the only bottom here is you, you bossy bottom |
Also you changed what he said to make yourself sound less like a piece of shit
he said Andy and Brett...not Brett and andy...and you tried to say he was just 'an assistant' instead of ANdy's assistant....so I mean for a pedantic salami smuggler who likes to nit pick the **** out of everyone you sure cut yourself a ton of slack |
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Why would he make a power play and screw him over? |
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Why the **** do you make simple shit so difficult? Are you ****ing reeruned? He said that as if Reid was the HC and Veach the GM. He wasn't even second or third in command in the personnel department. It's innacurate and deserving of being corrected. Shut the **** up. |
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His role was much smaller than you think you ****ing idiot. |
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thats why reid has brought him over from the eagles and now he is GM JFC besides that isnt even the point the point is you nitpicking a statement because of shit YOU read into it...that isnt even what he said.....you are just over reacting and being pedantic |
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Yet you think he was essentially second in command after Reid when he wasn't even close to that. |
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no one said he was second in command....except you.... feel free to keep spewing menstrual juice over the phrase 'running the show' though and pretending like you know what Veach did from 2007-2010 so well you can throw a hissy fit over it |
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L A D D E R say it slowly |
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Veach was Reid's assistant not some random special teams assistant another 'front office guy' I mean look at where he is now, that should clue you in as to what Reid thinks of him |
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He was much further down the list than you think man. He wasn't even particularly a personel guy. He was orginigally hired as an assistant coach and just kind of grew into that role. He had very little say in the big picture, and was basically in charge of special projects from the sounds of it. Just like you thinking Sutton was a candidate as a future HC at 66 years old after already saying he wasn't himself, you're wrong again. |
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What I actually said was Reid's real Powerhouse at philly was JJ, and thats similar to this situation with Reid and sutton....and yet you ignore my main point (that you actually agree with probably) and would like to argue about all kinds of other things.... |
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Reid had absolutely nothing to do with it. |
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Mahomes will still eat at least $4 million...and there is no guarantee that Maclin would have accepted a 40% pay cut... and even if he had there is no way KC (Dorsey) enters training camp with only 1 million of cap to maneuver. It's why they had Monday competing with Colquitt...until Dorsey got sacked. My guess he was on the ($5 million dollar punter) chopping block... Your numbers are wishful math...Maclin took what he could get, on short notice, from the Ravens...it's an entirely different negotiation when you already have a contract and the HC is your 2nd father. |
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He stated implicitly that the Chiefs didn't even ASK him! And furthermore, being $1 million over going into camp is no big deal. They're not making any big free agent signings and if anything, cutting Jah Reid saves $2.8 million, Demetrious Harris and Albert Wilson, neither of which are a lock to make the 53, would save another $3 million. So right there, another $6 million in savings. Quote:
The Chiefs signed Eric Berry and Daniel Sorenson before they announced a deal with Logan. Your stupid ****ing theory about Logan "putting them over the cap" is complete and utter nonsense. |
Brett Veach is the best hire and best chance to salvage the asinine firing of Dorsey. Hunt wasn't going to fire Dorsey if he didn't have an in house guy to fill the position. It is pretty much universally agreed that it was Veach's job from the get go which is why some candidates refused to interview.
You can bet Andy had a good idea Dorsey wouldn't be around and that Veach would be the replacement. Even if Andy didn't orchestrate the firing, he is a huge beneficiary in terms of power. Andy took Veach under his wing in Philly and was his mentor. He brought him to KC and helped his career. Veach isn't a GM at this young age without Andy. Veach must look up to Andy and I'm certain he still values Andy's views and opinions. He will likely defer to Andy at times. If you are Hunt and have this alleged setup where GM and coach directly report to you, who do you decide in favor of when there is a difference of opinion ? The experienced head coach you just extended, or the first year pupil? Andy plays the role of the friendly, aww shucks big guy, but he has come out on the winning side with more power with two different organizations, and it isn't by accident. |
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According to Forbes, the #10 selection in the 2017 NFL draft will have a cap hit of $2.97 million. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkay.../#587e213a534c Wanna try again? |
Just speculation, but Clark and Dorsey may have been having troubles for quite some time. Maybe Clark (and the Hunt family) were thinking that they may have to get rid of Dorsey before long, and because of the conflicts didn't want a Dorsey friend (Chris Ballard) as the heir-apparent to the GM position.
Knowing Chris Ballard was seen as an up and coming GM candidate, the Hunts may well have let him go to clear the decks for getting rid of Dorsey. Now, once Dorsey leaves, the heir-apparent is Brett Veach, who is not a Dorsey person. We know Veach is a Reid person (see below). Additionally, Reid is explicitly kept out of the GM interview process, which is run by Clark and possibly Donovan. Chris Ballard was a friend of Dorsey's before coming to KC: http://www.chiefs.com/news/article-2...7-6294a893f69a Brett Veach was hired by Andy Reid in 2004 as an intern with the Eagles. http://www.si.com/nfl/2017/07/10/chi...ch-john-dorsey As an aside, Mike Borgonzi was with the Chiefs since 2010, so he pre-dates both Reid and Dorsey here in KC and doesn't seem to have any prior connections to either one. Again, this is just speculation, but it could explain the facts we are seeing. |
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Maclin was the logical choice as he underperformed, had the largest hit and Hill emerged. Cutting him saved around $10 million....and after signing Mahomes they will be at around $6 million.... Bottom line is Dorsey planned to get rid of Maclin (and his bloated salary) a while ago. He was shopping him this winter...the question is did Reid know about the cap situation/ Dorsey's plan? |
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I was a horrible, horrible decision. He should have asked to renegotiate, so that the dead money wouldn't have been so large. Quote:
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Continuity and all that. Plus, the league sees Veach as a rising star. Now, he just has to live up to those expectations. |
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