100% agree.

Beyond just learning to play under center, fixing some mechanical issues, and fundamentals... I actually worry he won't stay healthy. Maybe because he played air raid with a shitty defense, but he looks like he wants to play hero ball a bit too much. That's a good problem to have but it's also a good way to get knocked around a bit. I think Nagy and Reid will hammer that out of him quick especially as he improves pre-snap reads and he adjusts to the pace of the NFL. But I don't expect that to happen right away.

Oh HELL yeah!!!!

You are incapable of not being hypocritical, aren't you? You state that you aren't touching that "racist" post and in the same sentence, you make an assumption that I have a small, shriveled 2 inch penis, presumably because I am white...when that couldn't be further from the truth. Way to go, Sandy...called out Hog Farmer for writing a "racist" post and ended up coming off as the one who is truly racist. Add another word to describe the despicable Sandy Cheeks...racist.

ROFL

I mean thats what my friend told me....

:eek:

Mahomers.

ROFL

JD: Thank you for the nice write up on Mahomes II, this is indeed a special time for Chiefs fans. I wish the best for him and the Chiefs.

I think I've probably seen this GIF a thousand times. Every single time I see it I get pissed off at Alex Smith.

Somebody should strap TigerUppercut and the other Alex Smith ballwashers into a chair and make them watch this play until they scream for mercy.

http://www.top10hq.com/wp-content/up...-Technique.jpg

How many times do you guys have to be reminded that Hill wasn't open on that play? Look at the safety there, he's 15 yards from Hill and standing still. When he starts to run toward the LOS he's just baiting Smith into making that throw. You guys just don't see the strategy here. If Smith makes that throw it's a walk in TD. How in the hell is that good for the team? By running out of bounds he set us up for a potential hidden touchdown with his gigabytes and game changing accuracy on the bubble screen to Maclin that he also didn't throw because the corner was within 8 yards with no other defender within 20.

Don't be delivering sour milk to the thirsty fans who have waited 34 years to drink at this oasis. Some people can be effective by doing things the unorthodox way. Look at Jim Furyk in golf, you wouldn't teach his swing to anybody but it works for him. Not everybody has to have textbook form and footwork to be effective. If he scans the field while eluding tacklers and throws darts to our receivers i don't care if his footwork doesn't compete with a ballerina!

An idea for a tee shirt. A clock with an Arrowhead logo set at 1:45. The caption says: Is it 2PM yet?

I approve.

What everyone is going to enjoy is going to be the rapid progress and learning that Mahomes will demonstrate. Ask any Tech fan and we'll tell you that each of the three years we had Mahomes, it was like having a vastly new and improved version of the one the year before.

We've had some good quarterbacks over the years at Tech, from Kingsbury to Sonny Crumbie (OC at TCU) to Graham Harrell to Baker Mayfield to Davis Webb (drafted by the NY Giants and who will be a very good understudy to Eli Manning). But the difference between all of them and Patrick Mohomes II was that his ability and performance rocketed upwards each successive year. Kingsbury credited that to an even and equal combination of athletic ability, intelligence and attitude.

This.

Again, difference is, Mahomes is surrounded by more talent and experience with the Chiefs--including coaching--than he ever has been in his entire life. His fire to win will get him bumped a few times, but he'll discover that taking a knock from an NFL linebacker is a lot more painful than from most NCAA linebackers. And as I've emphasized in previous posts, the boy was an Academic All-American, so there are a few brains up there and he's a quick learner. :D

In the meantime, enjoy this youtube clip of one of the greatest shoot-outs in Big 12 history between #3 TCU and #20 Texas Tech--and watch PMII on the last play of the game when there was no time left on the clock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8vatZKjVMg

--JD

Ha ha ha! That's AWESOME. Take that idea over to Barkley (advertising agency) and tell Jeff King (CEO) that "Tex approves of that idea and he'll be good for two of the shirts." :D

Y'all are sure making me miss Kansas City in the fall. (Not so much in the winter, though.)

--JD

I agree. You would think the way the media and haters are talking about PM2's footwork, that he is a clumsy off-balanced clown back there- lofting up lame duck balls for easy interceptions. :rolleyes:

I guess I am not seeing this horrible "footwork" - it seems the INT's that he has thrown mostly come from not giving up on the play and trying to squeeze passes into very tight windows. That is a product of a decision that he felt comfortable with as he was playing to win.

Am I missing a ton of tape where he is off-balanced and looks like a tanglefoot back there passing? What rookie QB's come out and Don't need to improve on their technique?

It seems this "footwork" narrative has become a blanket statement to use as an attack on this kid by the same people stating he is Not a winner since he played on a team lacking real talent besides himself.

You should be grateful for those criticisms. If they didn't exist, he would be the #1 overall pick. Pat should also be grateful for those criticisms. They will help him improve and he ended up with a great organization instead of arguably the worst organization in the NFL (Cleveland). He is very lucky to have the opportunity to learn from Andy Reid, Alex Smith, and the rest of Andy's coaching staff.

ROFL

I agree- very happy we got him. Steal of the draft imo. I was mostly pointing out that the "footwork" criticism has grown Louder since the draft.

"PM2 has a big arm but shitty footwork- total project."

"Chiefs gave up too much for an Air Raid QB with terrible footwork."

Oh, and Donk fans are already calling him a total bust since he has such horrendous footwork.

It has been pushed so far that it is becoming a false narrative-continually repeated as a way to slam this kid that has all the natural talent in the world. Just like people comparing him to Jay Cutler.

He has NO footwork. NONE.

But if someone can teach that fat dinosaur Kirstie Alley to mamba I'm sure 2PM can learn to take a 3 step drop and square his shoulders...

I do think they are overblowing some of the criticisms. He is very naturally accurate, regardless of his footwork and arm mechanics. Reid, Payton, Arians, O'Brien, and other coaches around the league recognize this. He has room for improvement, but so do the other QB's in this draft. However, none of the other QB's in the draft have the upside of Pat Mahomes.

I am sure he will have much better protection now than he ever had in college. Seemed he was running for his life after every snap.

So if he can already throw a 65 yard laser for a TD off his back foot consistently - what is he going to be like when he gets coached up?

Another excellent post. I will take your word on it- you have seen a lot more of PM2 then most on this board.

I did not watch much of him at all before the draft- what I saw I really liked, but did not want to get my hopes up again. I was shocked the Chiefs moved up and broke our Curse.

Since the draft, I have been going back and watching his highlights and some of the games. Some of the throws he makes are simply amazing and I love his will to win. All of his interviews have been great and that makes me like him more. The Gruden camp was very impressive- I think it will have an impact on him.

I think PM2 can redefine the QB position and bring several Championships to KC if he keeps improving like he did in college.

Paging Tyreek Hill. Tyreek Hill report to the huddle please. Pick up the white courtesy phone.

From a Red Raider alum: Things you may not know about Patrick Mahomes II
 

Michael Lombardi was just on Rich Eisen & he said the Chiefs were on Mahomes in the 3rd game of the season.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/...deGuid=1728743



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Thanks to the new members from Tech; it's great to get all of this inside information!
I've been watching every interview and presser I can get my hands on, and I'm super stoked for the PMII era to kick off.

Mahomy told Gruden that if he has a pocket to throw from he can make every throw.

and even if he doesn't have a pocket he can make every throw:D

Yes, Pat is being pretty humble there with the pocket comment. The kid doesn't need one. ROFL

youtube.com/watch?v=-XQuafgzHj8

True humility for sure. I love it !!!:clap:

I think Smith needs to take some extra Tylenol and see how it affects his liver.

As long as they don't overdo it on the coaching end. Paralysis by analysis can ruin his natural ability and cause him to lose his confidence. Let his natural tendencies come out on the field and make minor adjustments and suggestions and sit back and enjoy the show!

I see what you did there. :)

The more I read, watch, and hear him - the more I am happy with this pick. I wasn't at first.

I saw him interviewed on GMFB. He thinks he can throw 85 yards in the air. The one everyone is talking about "came out with a little wobble" because he over threw it. They gave him a scenario, something like, will you take the safe pass or throw it to a WR with 1/2 a step on the DB. He said WR because "he can put it out there for his WR to win". Love the mentality.

It's going to be nice, in a season or two, to have somebody that can sling the ball and isn't afraid of tight windows.

Was just thinking...there is no way I am missing camp now. First time in YEARS I have a reason to go.

They asked him (paraphrased) "It's your first NFL play EVER ... The fullback is wide open coming across the middle five yards deep. The wide receiver has a half step on the DB on a go route. Who do you throw to? Remember, this is your first NFL play ever."

Pat says,(also paraphrased) "Probably the wide receiver. I mean, I'm not gonna lie to you. If he's got half a step I'm gonna give him the chance to make a play. NFL wide receivers are pretty good. They get paid to make the big plays."

I've never gone to camp. I hated it in Wisconsin but even when its in Missou hard to go with low caliber quarterbacks so now this is something I really want to do this year and hope get up there if possible.

Good post.

Was just watching thinking about how great of an organization we have here and how lucky we are. Look at how many teams would simply SIT on the 3rd most winning QB in the league. The Chiefs look at that (and all those playoff appearances) and say, "Screw that! Let's go for it".

Only the best of organizations think like that.

We are blessed.

I envy thee.

Yeah, We try to be like that at least every 34 years.:rolleyes:

I expect the crowds in St Joe are going to be overflowing.


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Can only imagine the bomb that Mahomes would've released there for Tyreek.

it wont matter if you ban him, there are still too many dipshits that fall for his trolling and continually QUOTE EVERY ****ING POST that you still cant get rid of his bullshit

thank you.

youre ****ing stupid if you dont see the point

if alex sees that developing 1 second after teh snap and lofts it on the left hash over the S head, it's a td

EDIT: i'm and idiot, my bad :)

Looks like you might need to adjust your sarcasm detector.

GD-it

rebooting...

also, i should finish reading the post. got halfway in and jumped his shit

my bad

:)

Russell Wilson and John Elway spring immediately to mind. Then some busts like Drew Henson, Kaepernick, Chad Hutchison and Brandon Weedon.

But most were pitchers. Elway was an OFer, IIRC so he wouldn't have had that flick release that infielders learn. Wilson's the only other infielder I can think of but I'm certain all those premier athletes also played something on their off days growing up. Most of the time your best pitcher will also play some OF or 3b; SS isn't as common.

He's absolutely right, though. I played SS as a kid and to this day I can throw a ball nearly as accurately from damn near underhand as I can straight over the top. And from a bunch of different arm angles. It's just what you get used to because your body can take you in a bunch of different angles and you need to be able to throw quickly from all of them.

So that's a pretty genuine comment, IMO. If a guy's spent a lot of time on the infield, he's gonna have a variable arm. That said, I disagree with the idea that he doesn't need to fix his feet or even some of his release. That kind of stuff is fine as a necessary option, but there's less margin for error on those throws. If your release point is off by much at all, you've gone completely heywire whereas a normal release is usually only off in a single direction.

Mahomes absolutely has to realize that any time he CAN set his feet and fire conventionally, he should. He doesn't seem to understand that right now or at least consistently practice it. He does some things that are just a little lazy and if he does them often enough, that's trouble. He can't just take a sidearm flip if coming over the top with a solid base is available to him. And no, his feet aren't right nearly as often as some are saying - they're really really bad. Like, arguably the worst in the draft bad. He has to fix that and quickly because if your platform isn't sound, you can never be confident where the ball is going, especially under duress.

But that's okay - if the dude has the right footwork already, he'd have gone #1 overall. The warts are why we were able to get him. It's just important that we not ignore them because we want this guy to succeed. The only way he WILL succeed is if the coaching staff fixes those faults.

In fairness, he didn't just run out of bounds.

He missed the throw downfield to Ware.

Agree with you on everything. Pat would have gone #1 overall if he had good footwork and mechanics. It's a blessing in disguise that he had these flaws because now he is in the hands of a proven QB whisperer who will hopefully get the most out of him. They have a lot of work to do and now we just have to see how it all plays out.

Believe I read somewhere that Aaron Rodgers was a shortstop in Little League and it has definitely helped him as a quarterback to make those throws in scrambling situations.

Also will point out Kaep was nowhere near as accurate in college as Mahomes. You can see why Harbaugh wanted Kaep. 38 on the Wonderlic, 95 mph baseball arm, 4.5 speed in the 40, etc. But it turned out his accuracy problems and inability to read defenses limited his effectiveness in the NFL.

Weeden never showed an ability to throw on the run. He had a big arm but he was a 100% pocket passer and he was also surrounded by some big time talent like Justin Blackmon. Weeden was also ancient in terms of age for a college QB. That limited his upside in a big way compared to a guy like Mahomes who does have that unique accuracy/velocity in scrambling situations and is a true junior at 21 years old. Weeden was 28 years old on Draft Day 2012.

Pat has a ton to learn and fix in his game, but that also means the upside potential is very exciting if the coaches can help him fix some of his issues.

No worries at all.

All part of the strategy. If the defense would have done their job and not let Pitt score a touchdown he would have had the opportunity to implement his plan.

That's awesome that he's a good guy and humble. Christian Ponder was humble too. He's still gonna bust.

So I guess the elephant in the room does he really sit the entire year or do you see him starting at some point?


Just curious of the overall opinion?

I'd say 2-1 against.

But there's a non-zero chance that he does. A) Smith is not exactly injury prone, but he's not 100% durable either. He's going to miss a game or two. If it's in the first 6 weeks, I expect Bray takes the snaps. If it's in the last half or so, it may well be Mahomes. B) If they're scuffling a bit at something like 7-5 and they're going to need a strong finishing kick to make the post-season, if Smith's having some of the same troubles he was having mid-year last season, I could also see Reid making a move.

I think it's important to remember just how much Reid neutered Smith in that Denver road game. Sure we won it but we got a little lucky and Reid got truly desperate in the 4th quarter. For 3 quarters of that game, Reid was terrified to let Smith do anything. It was a shockingly conservative gameplan.

I do not believe that's what Reid WANTS to do. I don't think he's a Mike Martz, damn the torpedoes and air it out kind of guy, but I don't think he's sub-Marty either. If he's in a situation later in the year where he thinks he has to install that kind of gameplan again, I could see him deciding "**** this - put in the kid and lets play actual football..."

Boner ENGAGED!

Just something to think about and consider. . .

Most of what everyone here is seeing of Mahomes is coming from the "hot dog highlight" reels.

In the three years I watched him play, both at the stadium and on tv during road games, there were PLENTY of passes he made while his feet were set. And those throws were truly things of beauty.

Lots of college QBs can make beautiful, accurate throws with their feet set. It's when they have to scramble and/or throw on the run that their accuracy and arm strength becomes suspect.

Reel after reel of QBs making picture perfect throws from the pocket or when they weren't scrambling and were set up to throw has no sex appeal to the fans. If all Mahomes ever did was throw on the run, I doubt he would have been drafted until the (much) later rounds. But what coaches see in the hours and hours of compiled film reels, plus from their scouts in the stands and at practice have a lot more to do with how and when they choose their best draft picks.

I guess what I'm saying is to not get overly concerned about the perception of Mahomes' "bad footwork" that is being hung on him. He has made more than his fair share of other-worldly throws from a set position--they're just not as much fun to watch on the highlight reels. :)

--JD

Thanks for the info, friend

:shake:

Why are you so sure PM2 is going to be a bust? I have not heard him say anything or watched any of his plays that make me feel that way at all.

If another team in our division had drafted him, I would be very worried now.

PM2 is going to win multiple SB's and MVP's before he retires from his HOF career.

Bufkin is a troll. He's a Falcons fan, of all things.

Dude is stuck with Scooter...punishment enough

Based on what? He passes the eye test, which is the best we as fans can hope for at this point. But when other coaches and those who have way more football knowledge than anyone on a football BB are saying he's the real deal, I tend to believe that he's going to be just fine.

So JD you sound like you think he can play right away am I wrong? To me he looks like he could be really damn good but needs atleast 1 if not 2 years. The Chiefs are in no hurry it's perfect situation
.

CFB just saying, not NFL.

Don't think he's ready to start. Not even if he has an All-Pro performance training camp. He needs to break some bad habits, chief among them (no pun intended) is his mistaken thinking that he's also a fullback. Second, he needs to learn when to sacrifice the play and let it die a natural, non-traumatic peaceful death. This will be harder for him to learn because it is never taught at Texas Tech.

Third thing, learning the NFL offense AND myriad of defensive schemes and alignments will take at least a full year for him.

However, I DO think he needs to get some "on the field" playing time in games where he can be afforded the opportunity to do so--and rather than putting him in with (other) second/third stringers, he needs some on-the-field time with the starters to begin developing "when it counts" chemistry.

And finally? He needs a year or more to prove himself and his worth ethic to the veterans and be accepted and respected.

--JD

Because Bufkin is a moron and a Falcons fan. I guess that sentence was redundant.

Being able to make plays when things aren't perfect...that's what separates him from the rest. With a clean pocket, he can make all the throws...and when things go wrong he can bail you out.

How about any game we're down 14+ heading into the 4th?

Absolutely put him in.

--JD

I love our new Tech Mahomes fans.

What an incredible upgrade over the clogged septic system we received on our LAST go around at QB acquisition.

I think I'll get season tickets in 2018 if he's gonna be the starter

My thoughts exactly especially what is in bold. But you really can't blame the kid at that time knowing he has an awful defense and he is the only offensive weapon they had.

Need to get them this year to beat the rush.


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No doubt. People are going to be excited about Chiefs football again. Quite a few folks let their option go when Captain Checkpants arrived from San Francisco.

28-3.

It is good to be excited about KC football again--and with not just the "hope" of greatness, but now with the expectations of greatness. This is a kid you can build an offense around. Mark my words: If he performs at KC the way he did at Tech, you will have receivers WANTING to exercise their free agency and come to KC for a shot at a ring.

Dang but I can't wait for training camp and the season!

This is where Mahomes will have to become "professionally mature" and learn that "going for broke" with his body is fine if it is for the AFC championship or the Super Bowl. But it's not okay going for a first down against the likes of the Jets.

--JD

This x the largest imaginable number.

Amen, brother. :thumb: