eh... it's done, so just be excited and hope for the best.

I doubt too many people truly want him starting right away... but there are plenty that feel Smith can't get over the playoff hump... so it's an expected desire.

It seems best for Mahomes to be able to sit the whole or majority of the season. Bad idea to throw him out there immediately, imo. It could be a real mess, and screw with the kid's progression.. but I'm rarely a fan of a rookie QB starting right away, so...

It's interesting how there was an apparent split in clubs as to these QBs. The Browns and Bills (who have been burned reaching on QBs in recent years) opted to skip on this years class, and amass picks presumably to nab a QB next year. KC, SF and Houston did the opposite.

ROFLROFL Suddenly now this dumb shit cares about what "analysts" think, when he/she/it has spent endless amounts of time defending Bubble Screen Alex Smith from criticism from these very same "analysts".

Getting a franchise/elite QB is priceless and therefore is good value.

I approve of the trade simply because it's a sign the Chiefs are moving beyond their 2nd tier backup bullshit starters and are looking to develop their 10 year franchise QB. Just as long as it doesn't end in another 30+ year drought if he fails to be the guy.

Meaningless babble. If Mahones turns into the Chiefs' franchise quarterback (and he certainly has the potential to do it), all of your theoretical draft values are pure bullshit.

Stop being this guy:

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I don't usually like to make blanket statements, but if the Chiefs did the opposite of what the Browns and Bills did... :clap:

The Drafturbators and their draft value obsession should go become Cleveland Browns fans.

I am sure they would think that Cleveland is getting "great value" by amassing 7,000 draft picks every year.

At my draft party last night, I thought I'd have a 2 hour wait coming. When I saw the trade ALL THE WAY up to 10, I was ecstatic! All my friends down here know I'm a die hard Chiefs fan.

When I told them 1983 was the last time, they were stunned!

HAH!

I approve of this trade! Chiefs gave up a ton and got a project QB at the 10th pick. Love it!

The only similarity Blackledge has with Mahomes is that they were both round 1 quarterbacks. As far as talent goes they are worlds apart. Next year's number one is almost a number 2 and we can still trade Alex and at least recover our number 3.

Of course it is.

Look at the QB salaries.
Look at what you have to give up to acquire one via a trade. Pro Bowl players might cost you a 3rd or less in general, but a middle of the road decent QB will cost you at least 2 2nd round picks.

Look at the number of QBs that are a reach when drafted in comparison to every other position. A draft class could have the all time worst pool of QB talent, and if you convince enough front offices that you are the top guy in the class, you're virtually guaranteed to get picked in round 1.

You could grade out objectively as a 3rd round talent or later in another class that was deeper, but by default you're the best of the "meh", and some team will take a flyer and reach due to the impact of the position in the 1st round.

In the entire NFL history of the draft going back to 1936, only 7 times has no QB gone in the 1st round.


So, unequivocally without a doubt, the Chiefs did not give up too much to get the right to draft the QB they obviously were smitten with!

Project isn't the proper terminology in my mind. Project QBs are the guys you take a stab at in the 5th or later.
He's more like an uncut stone. There's obviously way more value than some 3rd day pick. The big question is once you cut & polish that stone, will it turn out to be a crown jewel, or suffer from to many flaws and imperfections. One will have industrial utility, but the other is hitting the jackpot.

I'm reviewing the poll results and I come to the conclusion that a majority of Chiefs fans approve of The Trade.

Just thought I'd close the loop on this.

Even after reading all of this, I still don't know what to think.

I understand that moving up is costly and both teams want to believe they got the better end of things. Time will tell.

I think that since 1990, Chiefs fans have been pretty spoiled. Only a handful of bad years and only once have the Chiefs had the first pick in the draft. Yes, there have been a number of years that had painful results.

This is something new, Todd Blackledge, in my opinion, never really got a chance to succeed.

Hoping they can fill some of the holes at ILB and DL in the later rounds.

Go Chiefs!

National media guys are so stupid.

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I'm glad you cleared this up.

WOOT WOOT BEST DAY EVER...

Welcome to the NFL Chiefs... Youre about to be a legit franchise.

ROFL Worried about Ales Smith's feelings.

Ha. I know. All this kicking the can down the road and acquiring more draft picks is cute for scoring the off season awards but at some point Cleveland has to build a winning team for it to actually mean anything.

Bottom line: if you think you have a potential franchise QB - it's very hard to give up too much to get him. The only thing is if you miss...

We got our Dark Peniight!

It's White Chocolate Penii. Get it right.

Chiefs have a history of missing in the 1st round, so at least they took a chance to actually try for the first time in decades to win.

We havent drafted a player in the first round that could have the impact of a QB ever...

true

When the Falcons moved from 27 to 5 to draft Jones, they gave up a 1st, 2nd and 4th that year and a 1st and 4th the next year. So, based on that, a 1st and 3rd with a 1st the next year, seems reasonable to go from 27 to 10.

This.

Even if it isn't a home run, you gotta swing the damn bat....

Hats off to them for trying.

I keep reading that the Chiefs should have only made this move for a "sure thing."

Serious question: Is there such a thing as a "sure thing" QB out of the NFL draft?

Andrew Luck was considered the closest thing to a "sure thing", but it's taken him four seasons to truly find his footing, and there are still many who wouldn't consider him elite.

And a guy like Luck comes along once a decade or less.

Wasn't JaWalrus supposed to be pretty close to a sure thing? Jeff George? Ryan Leaf? Who else am I forgetting?

Reid knows what he is doing. He's a good coach when it comes to QBs so I think Mahomes will be fine. If it wasn't for Reid I probably would not approve this trade because it is a huge gamble but with him here the kid should be fine.

And he goes first overall, and nobody is trading out of the pick.

And look at what Washington gave up for the SECOND best QB prospect in that draft.

.. and Mahomes isn't a 9-pick behind prospect, comparatively.. and Luck hasn't exactly brought Indy grand success either..

... but what's done is done, and Mahomes will be a fun alternative... so whatevz.. bring it on in 2018.

I'm pretty sure that future picks have less value in the current year. IIRC, the value of next year's 1st is roughly the value of this year's 2nd.

I don't give a shit what the draft value chart says. Have you ever seen a team move up 17 spots into the top 10 for less?

Tried to say this last night as the server died:

I have wanted the Chiefs to draft and develop a quarterback for nearly 20 years. I didn't think they ever would. Because no matter how much of a carousel Arrowhead became for coaches and gm's, nothing really ever changed with their approach. They just played it safe to appease the season ticket holders. Year after year after year.

Then last night happened.

I've heard people say it's the wrong year. I've heard people say it's the wrong guy. I don't give a shit about that.

They identified their top player. They made a bold move to acquire him. And that...well, that's all I've ever wanted. It really is that simple.

I'm not giving the Mahomes experiment three years or five years, the way I have with past picks. This trade will always be a positive to me. Because even if he busts - and he may... - it will still ultimately have been exactly the kind of move the Chiefs need to make if they want to win championships, made at the perfect time when they were able and in position to do it. Meaning they had the picks, they found the player, and they pulled the trigger.

Who knows when they'll have the ability to get into the top ten again. They struck when the iron was hot and I will never criticize them for that.

Yes, that's always been the logic. Following year's picks have been devalued down a round for as long as I can remember when used in value chart discussions.

Sounds like you are already planning out the silver lining of loss (keg)... but it makes sense. I get it.

No silver lining. Whether I like Mahomes or not will depend on how he plays. But the trade itself I will always consider a good move. They're separate things in my mind.

If the kid doesn't develop, I'll treat him like every other qb not named 'Trent Green' for the last 18 years. But I won't ever fault them for taking their shot last night. That took guts.

In 2008, the Jags moved from 26 to 8 for 2 3rds and a 4th. I think that was a special case, though, because that's what the Bears gave up to move from 3 to 2 last night.

Oh yeah. Sound logic spoken. Def fair enough.

Tigger's bleed out is long overdue and will become even more fantastic as time marches forward.

The Chiefs are officially a legit franchise now, and legit franchises don't waste much time with has-been game managers.

Piss on Tigger and every single one of Smith's transplant fan base.

Couldnt be happier, what we gave up is the price you pay to move up that far and secure your future

When you hear about how many teams were chomping at the bit to take him, and hear so many knowledgeable pros throw around comparisons like Favre and Rodgers... thats exciting

He's not the safest bet out there as QBs go, but I trust Dorsey.

The compensation was high, but it's always high to get a franchise QB. This league is QB-based, and we needed one. Now we have one.

Dorsey will probably shuffle things around to where we get the draft value back anyway.

It's better to overpay and get what you want than to lay back and find yourself without.

Can you believe we finally ****ing did this?

And this kid?

I'm more excited about learning what makes this kid tick than I am any chick I've ever ****ed or will ****.

HUZZAH!

I hope he is a quick study so we can start him in 2018

Well, unlike some of the other QB's that they have brought in, this kid will fight his balls off to get that start.

I can't believe how ****ing perfect this situation is. This kid is EXACTLY what Reid and the offense needed.

Yeah, people can poke holes in it, but the risks are always there and the Chiefs traded up 17 spots in the first round to draft a quarterback. Until someone mentioned it to me earlier today, I had forgotten about the stat that no quarterback drafted by the Chiefs has even won a game for the Chiefs since the last one they drafted in the first round.

Anyone who's been a Chiefs fan for more than a few years has to appreciate the move, regardless of who else was available or whatever.

Bump

The Quarterback Whisperer

Stealing Ragland for a 2019 4th Round Pick was the icing on the cake of the 2017 acquisitions.

Uh, yep

Laz

LMAO

The trade valus was about average, but hell you're 100% fine doing it when you get a QB for the next 15 years.

While I am sure Buffalo is thrilled to be a playoff team this year, they are going to majorly regret not taking Mahomes or Watson.

Dane is the truth sayer in this thread. LMAO

I'm a bit disappointed in the lack of "butt ****ing morons" comments

Clay looking foolish as usual.

DJ

My attitude and take was simply, "take who you want, but step your ass up and TAKE ONE".

Yikes rainman, you initially ended up in the same small group as tiger.

Truly terrible company.

Well, I'll confess that I wish my vote was different today. In my defense, I recognized the risk in this post earlier in the thread: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...8#post12844068

My dissenting vote was really questioning whether the Chiefs could have picked up another QB with their original pick (and that would've been Kizer given how the draft turned out), and then added a first and third round pick to the roster in addition. We'll see in the long run how it shakes out, but Mahomes is looking a lot better than Kizer right now. The Bills ended up drafting a CB and SS with their 2017 picks, which wouldn't have gone over well in Chiefsland.

The Mahomes pick is truly a franchise saver at this point. If he wasn't picked (or at least some quarterback wasn't picked), times would be be quite dire around here.

It's time...

True. If Mahomes wasn't in the fold, I wouldn't care about the Chiefs future whatsoever. I would have totally severed my fandom just like I did in 2011-2012. (Gave up our Front row Season tickets after 22 years).

Wow that drops RainMan's opinions down in my rankings. Thought he was smarter than that.

Hey. I AM smarter than that.

Without Mahomes I don't think I'd care about next year at all.

Never liked the trade. Never wanted Smith

Nevermind, forgot it was public.

this thread is about trading up for mahomes...

This. I have no desire to watch another year with Alex Smith as our quarterback.


I plan to go to TC in August as long as Patrick Mahomes II is taking all of first string snaps.


I think it's criminal if Andy keeps Alex Smith as starter.

I'm still comfortable in saying I preferred Watson at the time. He ended up pretty decent prior to injury.

RG3 was pretty good before injuries too. In Watson's case, I wonder what happens when DC's begin adjusting to him. The ball still floats on him downfield and at some point he won't get away with that.

Mahomes is also guilty of taking too many big hits and I hope he will learn to protect himself. In my opinion that was his biggest weakness as a college player. You like the determination to make plays, but you don't like seeing a QB lower his shoulder and end up injured, etc.

This.

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