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Chiefs focused on Mahomes, McCaffrey, and Cunningham in RD1
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I fully trust your info and 100% appreciate you sharing it. I think the thread should be deleted because the info is real. Also, watch what you post without permission...about 10 years ago (when I worked for Directv) I installed service for a family that the husband was a team doctor for the Chiefs and the wife talked my ear off and told me I could call her from time to time to chat football. I passed on 2 pieces of info on here and somehow, that got back to her and she had a very unpleasant talk with me before never again taking my call. This is far more sensitive info than I shared...and I doubt this gentlemen would appreciate it. Also, if this is true, we don't want this to be known openly |
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It might be best if it was deleted at this point... pretty much the whole board has saw this by now |
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Considering we'd have to trade up for at least 2/3rds of the guys on that list, i'm not too sure that the Chief's brass needs this to be a secret. How are they going to trade-up if teams don't know we're a potential partner?
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If the Chiefs manage to grab Mahomes I officially claim him as my "adopt a Chief".</br></br>
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Hey pugs, we used to have an "insider" who offered a news letter with all the inside info but only to peeps that were the cool kids. That was never ridiculed at all, you should try it.
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Rico posted something in the draft forum about 3 weeks ago that we are very interested in Kizer.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/c...the_same_team/ |
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I believe some of them like Peterman, Webb and Dobbs were also talked to at the Senior Bowl |
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http://walterfootball.com/ProspectMeetings/ByTeam
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Lol @ KnowMo and the reddit user just assuming Walter's info is 100% accurate. We definitely met with all the top QB's more than once.
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That info shows they met multiple times with Davis Webb too.
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Higher-level competition like college/pro can succeed with this, but it is tough to teach for high school or minor football. I don't like the tracking techniques. The progressions USA Football, Football Canada and the originator FootballUniversity (Thurmond Moore) teach and implement are much better in my opinion with regards to building fundamentals and sound technique. Like anything you commit to for a program, you have to marry it. If one starts trying to combine different aspects of multiple approach s it becomes problematic with terminology and consistency. |
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He's a slightly more extreme version of that in that he often omits the shoulder to the chest part (which seems to be foundational for 'hawk tackling' and honestly it's similar to the 'head across the body' technique I was taught almost 20 years ago). But that's the first time I've seen the leg whip/roll taught as an actual technique rather than the hip thrust and drive. Like I said, Cunningham uses that to outstanding effect - he's not a tentative tackler. He's just something you have to get used to. He's going to be a very good player, IMO. |
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I'm coming around to it. |
Cunninghams draft profile is basically a poor poor mans DJ. (comp they have is Alec Ogeltree who is a poor mans DJ also)
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Before I really got involved in the draft season, he was my favorite likely target after Mahomes. I really like the player. I've seen some other guys since then that I'd have to go back and review again as a direct comparison (Wormley was brought up in the draft forum and he's among them). But I have a hard time saying that I'd be upset by that pick regardless of what non-QB options are available. I may decide that I like Wormley better or Barnett or Ross, but if those guys are available and the Chiefs go Cunningham, I'd be fine with that as well. |
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Dorsey has never drafted for immediate need in the first round. I can't see him starting now.
The underrated guy to watch for at 27 if the QB's are gone? Buddha Baker. |
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Love the athleticism but I worry that his size will have him giving some of it back. He'll miss balls that a 6'1'' player gets a hand on. People forget all those times that Brandon Flowers had perfect position on somebody and the player just went over him and took the ball away. It's not a deal-breaker, but it's a bit worrisome nonetheless. In the end, I can't see a scenario where he'd be my preferred guy on the board. As for 'immediate need' - Dorsey's also done a very good job of ensuring that he hasn't gone into the draft with any pressing immediate needs. That's not the case with this year's roster - inside linebacker absolutely HAS to be addressed and now. |
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If there's one thing I've learned in 41 years it's that Walter Football doesn't know shit about shit.
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Funny how a basically mundane thing can have so many evolutions going forward. "Tacklin' is tacklin' man....get 'em to ground". Nope. That's where some of you folks have me whuped. I can talk baseball with anybody but there are a handful of folks in here w/r/t football that are right outside of my knowledge base. Appreciate the insight. |
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The weapons around Smith have increased exponentially since his arrival yet his production hasn't. He's gone from Bowe, Avery and Fasano to Maclin, Hill and Kelce yet it's had negligible impact on his ability to produce points/yards. His line has improved significantly to no real effect as well. At this point Smith has a top 10 OL and top 5 skill position players, IMO and with that he's been able to accomplish pretty much the same whole lotta meh that he was able to accomplish when he was surrounded with rags. There's no sense at all in throwing more draft capital at woobies for Alex Smith; there's nothing out there that will appreciably raise his ceiling. |
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And the Chiefs aren't going to be sitting at #1 overall and looking at the next Manning in 2018. In other words, your analogy here is ****ing reeruned. |
You've also got ware and Conley (who was good this last year, I'll take some crow there, he caught everything his way). They could add an ancillary piece or teo, but I'd imagine they're gonna want the ball in Hill, kelce and Maclin's hands as much as possible.
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I'll just re-post what I said when O.city and I discussed this a month or so ago:
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And then to SNR:
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So instead they should gambling on tools and using their present veteran stopgap to give them the time they need to develop said tools (i.e. Mahomes, Kizer or Webb). |
It would be fascinating to put Alex on a TRULY awful team as an experiment. The 2-14 Chiefs don't count, given our 7000 Pro Bowlers we had that year.
I'm talking a zero, nothing, nadda team. Like, I think Cleveland might be too good for Alex. I'm thinking a team like San Francisco that TRULY has nothing for him. Put him on that team. Test the theory about Alex Smith really making your defense better because ball control is his #1 goal. Check out his stat line when he has no decent ballcarriers and no targets outside of maybe a decent TE and a wiley vet WR. See if he still keeps his INTs in the single digits and his TDs in the 18-22 range. See how many wins he can rack up playing that way. You'll have to accommodate him with a head coach that isn't a TOTAL unknown or a bag of shit, I guess. But how many retreads are available every year? That shouldn't be too hard. Most of all, put him on that team so he'll get the **** off of mine. |
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This is pure speculation based on a dinner conversation I had with a scout from a different team following Notre Dame’s pro day. His team believes Andy Reid and the Chiefs love the polarizing Kizer, who looked like a potential No. 1 overall pick in 2015 but regressed in ’16. |
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Then he'll go to Houston and throw for 3,400 yard with 17 TDs and 6 interceptions while going 10-6 before losing to the first halfway decent quarterback he faces in the postseason. The league will damn him for proving once and for all that he's a product of the teams around him (while failing to notice that the team around him doesn't matter and he's the same guy regardless of the surrounding talent). 100 years later we will unearth Alien tablets talking about their Alex Smith trollbot and how they just laughed and laughed and laughed because fans never realized that Alex Smith was an elaborate hoax perpetrated on a select few football fans to punish them for thinking offensive lines win championships. http://rs1253.pbsrc.com/albums/hh583...ad42c.png~c200 ****ing aliens got us again... |
Lots of hate in here. I like it.
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It's so glorious to have DJ's Left Nut adding his fuel to the fire in which Alex burns.
It makes it ever so smoky. |
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If Andy's on board with Kizer, so am I. Tough nut to crack but there's some Big Ben potential in the kid. Man, you've gotta worry about the sporadic accuracy and potential problems reading schemes. Frames like his have gotten many a head coach fired - you fall in love with the frame and forget that the kid may just not be able to play. |
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Other than Vernon Davis and Frank Gore they didn't have much of anything on offense. The Harbaugh defenses were nowhere to be found and Smith was 10-12 as a starter those two years. FYI it's worth noting: 2009 49ers - 35 offensive TDs, 27th ranked offense 2010 49ers - 29 offensive TDs, 24th ranked offense 2011 49ers - 32 offensive TDs, 26th ranked offense Despite relatively similar offensive production, suddenly a historically elite defense shows up and Alex Smith is a "winner." Alex Smith was, is and will always be a LIE. |
I agree to much of what you are saying, DJLN... while pointing to a different primary target to fault (Andy)... but yeah, the production won't change much right away if at all.
I wouldn't have a problem with a WR drafted early on, if the value is too good to pass on... if for no other reason than to have a viable replacement for JMac's cap hit in 2018. I still wouldn't prefer that they move up for a WR. Get some QB2-type that could possibly develop into more in rounds 2-3. Get ILB in rds 1-4 for DJ and March's broke asses... Get OLB in rds 1-4 for Houston's broke ass, and Ford's likely departure. (and Hali's out after the yr) Get a RCB in rds 2-4 that can convincingly challenge Mitchell and Gaines right away. Get a DL in rds 3-4 to develop behind Logan. there's your first 4 rounds... then go: Get a day 3 wideout to challenge the other scrubs. Get a day 3 RB to challenge the scrubs. Get a day 3/UDFA to challenge the scrubs. |
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I've never seen anything like it. Take all his toys away and he'll perform almost exactly the same as he does with complete garbage. He was perfect for the 2-14 Chiefs and once it didn't work out in year 3, it was time to move on. He's going to be perfect for the Browns or Jags or some other shit team {cough}Sanfrancisco{cough} with no real talent or hope of winning now but a plan for a window in 3 years. The guys a great guy to have if you're shitty - he really will help bad teams get to merely average. To each according to need, from all according to ability. Komrad Alex Smith. |
I'm not a fan of drafting a RB in the 1st round at all. If they draft McCaffrey they better think that he can be a big threat in the passing game.
Nothing would be better IMO than getting a QB in the first round so Chiefs fans can then put pressure on Alex Smith. That being said, you can't force things and always have to look for BPA, which factors in need. |
I doubt the decision makers in the FO would be so loose-lipped with who they are thinking.
Regardless of rumors, if they trade up it will be for a guy that hasn't been slated to fall to 27. I haven't kept up at all with prospect talk, but I'd like to think they'd trade up for the sole reason of getting a guy that can hedge against a FA departure or salary cut -a Dee Ford or Jeremy Maclin replacement is much more likely in my mind than a QB. |
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But this is the Chiefs we're talking about here; the franchise with an absurd aversion to drafting QBs higher than the 3rd round. EDIT: Also, to save bandwidth from the typical nuthuggers, that salary isn't in the top quarter of QBs any longer IIRC. |
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$17 million is a pittance for any quarterback no longer on a rookie deal. That's, what, bottom 3rd for starting QBs on their second contract or later? They make 3-5 times what similarly situated RBs make. That's why you don't take RBs in the first round. |
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But two decades of personnel moves that KC has made pertaining to the quarterback position leads me to confidently believe that the franchise does not see positional value that way given the bigger probability in drafting and building around a rookie QB turning out to be a bust such that the reward of finding a Wilson or Rodgers* does not outweigh the risk of several sub-.500 seasons. Thus trying to build around a "cheaper" veteran backup will always be the preferred option. Given the dearth of backups at this time, I'd be surprised if Smith doesn't get an extension that carries him on the team through his 34th birthday in order to wait and see what trades or FA signings might be available ~2020. * In terms of SB appearances / wins ... bringing Brady in this discussion is just ludicrous considering what he's done in his career and the circumstances of how he developed into a starter* |
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2) The guys worth drafting won't be within reach of 27 and will require draft capital to move up, which I don't believe the FO will deal into the top third of the draft to lock up a QB (and even if they do, it'll be to trade for a player that hedges against a Ford or Maclin departure / cut) of their choosing and will instead wait and see who's available on Day 2 who will probably project to be a capable backup more so than a developmental QBotF just by virtue of how few QBs fit the mould of a QBotF and how many other teams need to find a QB. |
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That's gives me hope |
Oh Jesus Discuss, if you don't have anything nice to say..
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"Can't wait for next year"
Said every Chief fan since 1992. |
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At least I haven't seen any proof of it. |
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David Carr steps out of the broadcast booth and smokes Deshaun Watson. Watson's arm is not good, man.
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But David Carr never saw the blitz coming and was sacked. Again.
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