Foles makes the most sense short term, then draft a QB with the first round pick I dont care if it is a reach hopefully getting Ehinger, Bailey, Mauga and Howard back will feel like draft picks. Draft a WR in the Second.

Invest in this offense

Can someone show PACG the gif of Tyreek wide open for a touchdown throw most NAIA quarterbacks make?

Give me an argument other than "Alex wasn't the problem."

Since you can't, other than, "That's just emotion," I'll acknowledge your tapout.

Go drown in the ocean, beach bum

out of the options listed in the OP, I really don't know.

Two potential TD's on this play.







Bonus Clip: The play-action where Alex's arm gets hit, was most likely a TD.

I don't put that last one on Smith. The first clip was bad though he's a pussy.

I never said it was on Alex, if his arm wasn't hit it was a TD.

This is the best strategy considering the wealth of picks we have, the overall strength of the roster (we can afford to trade a 1st) and the depth and top-end talent that will be coming out in 2018.

Sam Darnold, USC
Josh Rosen, UCLA
Lamar Jackson, Louisville
Josh Allen, Wyoming
Mason Rudolph, OKState
Jake Browning, Washington

There's a lot to like there. You might have a Manning-Rivers-Roethlisberger situation out of that group.

And as an added bonus, ditching Smith's $20M cap hit in 2018 and replacing it with a rookie QB contract will allow you to spend more money on the re-ups that will be due players going into their second contracts. God knows what Peters is going to want.

Did you change your tampon yet?

jjchiefsfan put a well argued explanation in this thread of ALL the reasons we lost, not just simplemindedly blaming only the QB like you:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=305286

Mahomes the kid is a Russell Wilson type with a Colin Kaepernick arm.

I think we should let Dorsey pick the QB. CP has a very poor record on QB selection.

It's not like that group is without questions too. And I haven't even watched those guys virtually at all. They can't interview those guys until they declare. IMO that's the biggest part. Yeah. You have to see some tools and mental acuity on film, but if they interview like Geno then piling resources to go get a guy you know nothing about is rough.

Then if you end up with a bunch of picks and can't get the move done for a QB - presuming your guy is there - then you are stuck with picks and spending those resources on lower impact players.

That strategy carries a lot of risk. If there is a guy you think you can make work, you do it. The age of sure fire QBs is over. I'd probably say Peyton Manning was the last one. Maybe Luck but he's floundering in the worst division in football (not necessarily all his fault). If there is a guy you can work with, get him.

You need a guy that can do the following:
1. Take the easy stuff.
2. Make a handful of difficult throws a game.

Other than Rodgers who is doing ridiculous things with a criminally bad supporting cast. That's all these guys are doing. They aren't throwing it into tight windows 45 times a game. They take the easy stuff, which Reid can scheme for, and then they have to press in some bad situations.

If a guy can make the correct reads and accurately navigate a few bad situations, he can be successful. We don't need an all world guy, just a competent one.

He's became a terrible football poster since 13' when he bitched about trading Arenas and threw a tantrum when we didn't draft that piece of shit Geno Smith.

Not even close.

What specifically do you disagree with?

We'll see people didn't think said player would succeed either.

You realize that pretty much makes him John Elway, right?

May want to tap the brakes a bit there, hoss.

Someone compared Mahomes to Culpepper last week. I could see that

Culpepper's like Ben in that he's an impossible comparison to make unless you're also built like a linebacker.

Culpepper would just stand there with fur flying around him, look over the line, bounce a blitzer off him and wing it downfield. Mahomes won't be able to do that.

Eh, still pretty bummed that Falk and Rudolph stayed. Not even because I really wanted either of them but because it would've made the class much deeper. Allen would have as well. Get Falk, Rudolph and Allen in there and there would have been at least a team or two that would've fallen in love with them and perhaps pushed another guy down.

In this class I really only see Kizer, Trubisky and Mahomes as potential franchise guys with Watson just being way too raw for my tastes (though he may fit with what Andy likes due to his mobility).

The class falls to absolute shit after those 3 (with an asterisk at 4; shit for many, might fit for some). That's going to make the odds of a reasonable trade-up pretty long. Those top 3 could all easily be gone by 10 and I'm not inclined to pay a premium to move up to 20 for Watson.

So just restructure Foles and come to the table ready to move next year.

I never said Elway, don't put words in my mouth. The kid was the High School Texas State athlete of the year and has a baseball pedigree . You can't measure his learning quotient Ala Prescott/Wilson he has the same qualities though.. If he's put in a situation to succeed, there will mancrushes that will dawrf the Alex cult.

If you take Russell Wilson and give him Colin Kaepernicks arm, then make him 6'3'', 215 lbs, you have John Elway.

You can't say the dude is like one of the most mobile, intelligent quarterbacks in football (Wilson) and would possess the strongest arm in football (Kaepernick) in a pretty perfect QB frame (Mahomes has nice height/build) and then get indignant when it's pointed out that you've just combined the traits that yield a Hall of Fame quarterback.

We've all seen how the movie ends with Smith at QB and there's no doubt that he's declining.

IMO, the Chiefs should renegotiate Foles contract to something like 3 years, $22 million ($7 million or so per), then do whatever it takes to draft Mahomes, whether it's giving up all of their Comp Picks or a pick next year along with their #1 this year.

After the draft, trade or release Alex Smith. Go into TC with Foles and Mahomes as the #1 & #2, with Bray or someone else competing for the #3 spot.

At this point, after seeing Foles against Indy and Jax, while spending a full year with Reid, Nagy and Childress, I don't know how his performance would differ from another season of Alex Smith.

It's time to ****ing move on.

http://www.maxpreps.com/m/article.as...b-f7dddb2f05dd

Never said Elway you're putting words in my mouth

Please god this. I would even take DeShaun Watson if they feel he's worth the pick.

Link to the tantrum I threw?

I pretty much threw my arms up and said, "Whatever. Enjoy your slight upgrade over Matt Cassel, Chiefs."

Defensive holding. Five yard penalty and - oh, wait. That's a Steeler. Never mind.

"Hulk Hogan with the suplex! Oh, wait...I'm an NFL ref now."

I'm not giving up 1/2 my picks this, let alone this and next years for a true 2nd rounder. I don't see trading for someone else's retread, either. Foles is a back up, period.

So just gonna ignore the transitive property here, eh?

You said he's like Russell Wilson with Kaepernick's arm - yes?
Russell Wilson is among the more intelligent, mobile QBs in football - yes?
Colin Kaepernick has among the strongest arms in football - yes?
Mahomes has a much better QB build than Wilson - yes?

Of course you didn't say he was Elway, but what you described IS a similar prospect to Elway - smart, mobile, good leadership intangibles, cannon of an arm, good build. I'm pointing out that saying "he's Russell Wilson with Colin Kaepernick's arm" is an incredibly stupid thing to say and the fact that you're trying so desperately to parse words here shows that you know it.

You overplayed your hand something awful. Mahomes is a fine prospect but you just started with a player that's on a HoF career track and then took his two worst problems (arm strength and physical stature) and not only mitigated them, but made them obvious strengths.

That's absurd.

LOL, Christ arguing just to argue correct? Where did I say Elway?

If you read the article you understand the comparison. The kid has a baseball pedigree , the arm, and athletic ability like Kaepernick and Wilson. His disposition is like Wilson's. If he can adapt quickly in a conducive situation like the Chiefs then yes he'll succeed.

You can't be this dense.

My ENTIRE point is not that you said Elway, it's that you described him. You absolutely called the third highest rated quarterback in a mediocre class "Russell Wilson with Colin Kaepernick's arm" which is just stupid on its face.

No, he is not Russell Wilson with Kaepernick's arm because if he WERE, he'd be John Elway.

Have I broken this down enough for you? I'm saying your comparison is absurd because you've just about built the perfect quarterback by combining Wilson and Kaepernick and no, Pat Mahomes is not the perfect quarterback.

**** it, you're putting words in my mouth didn't read the article for the comparison.

You're justbeing combative

Fisher is good enough, he will continue to get stronger as he gets older. He will fall for those cheap moves less and less. He just happened to be shafted by the refs at exactly the wrong time.

Those bastard refs let them play in the trenches the entire game and then suddenly decided to pay attention in the last minute of the game.

Chiefs ... the only team in the NFL that doesn't get home field refing

Fisher was the LT for one of the best pass-blocking teams in the game this year. And our struggles in the run game had little do to with the stretch plays, etc... that he would've been heavily involved in.

Fisher was a big time asset this season and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. He was the clear best choice for 1.1 and the extension he got will be a bargain for every season he plays under it.

Fisher is making lemons into lemonade. Shit draft year, but Dorsey did a damn fine job with the cards he was dealt.

Now, if the Chiefs could add Ron Leary for 4/$16, the offensive line would take a huge step forward...

Well, to be honest, he didn't have him arm-bar hooked with a noogie twist, that's usually got to be the defensive hold technique that actually gets flagged.

NFL officials are ass-hats, and the first to be offended when the use of technology is suggested to help "fill in the gaps" they choose to not be looking at. I hope Karma has them all catch AIDS!

Oh, "the game would be too long." Yeah, lord knows more commercial breaks is the last thing those money-grubbing whores want a chance at.

28 with a degenerative knee?

Eh....I think we just saw his last great year because he didn't have to go a full season and he pretty much spent all of 2015 on the bench. That gave that knee plenty of time to rest and firm up.

But if you're signing him to a sizeable deal, you're rolling with him as the starter and I think you're going to get seriously diminishing returns.

I'd rather see another mid-rounder (4thish) allocated to OG. Fulton has plateaued (at best) and it's probably time to upgrade there if at all possible.

I wasn't aware of the knee issue. Well, that sucks (for him).

I'm not saying it isn't the best decision, but Foles was garbage on the short throws in those games. Say what you want about smith but he can put it where it needs to be when it needs to be there on the short stuff. Which is perplexing because Fokes throws so nice of deep ball but can't hit the short stuff. Maybe it's timing. Maybe it's rust. Maybe it's correctable technique, but his accuracy on the short stuff was bad.

Which is probably his death knell with Reid.

Can somebody explain to me the benefit of keeping Foles and cutting Smith?

I understand bringing in a highly drafted rookie to redshirt, but why Foles?

He's as much a known commodity as Smith is, and simply isn't as good.

Also, it perfectly encapsulates the impotent rage of ChiefsPlanet that their most popular ideas of how to improve at QB is to "get rid of Smith," followed by "I have no idea."

Some people think he is just as good as Smith and would be cheaper.

Even if he's as good as Smith, Foles has a $10 million dollar clause in his contract that pretty much forces the Chiefs to renegotiate his deal. Foles won't be cheap next year unless the FA market forces him to be cheap.

Mostly it's just the nuts who think Smith is terrible and want anyone but him.

Nick Foles has started 36 games.

Smith has started 136.

He's not even in the same stratosphere as far as "known commodities" go.

And to be honest, his first 36 games shit all over Smith's first 36 games.

You want to see what you truly have in Foles and save a bunch of money at the QB position before drafting a kid in 2018?

Go with Foles. **** it. You have nothing to lose. This team doesn't have a shot at the SB next season, and Foles looked fine in relief duty last year. He had the highest QB rating, highest YPA, highest TD%, lowest INT% on the team.

Also, **** Brad Kaaya. I don't want anything to do with that asshole

Bye, Felicia

After his first 36 starts, Alex Smith had a 32-38 TD-INT ratio and a 69 QB rating and a 13-23 record.

He improved to "second only to Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers" 100 starts later.

But Nick Foles, who is standing at 56-27/88.1/20-16 in the same categories...can't improve.

Just admit you have an unhealthy obsession with game managers.

It must suck for his mom

Foles still has upside. Foles could play lights out and be a commodity worth hanging onto long-term even if you draft a QB. Reminiscent of the Drew Brees/Phillip Rivers deal a while back. Difference is, if that happens now the team would either franchise/trade (rather than let him walk) or hang onto the guy depending on your confidence in your drafted QB. Alex Smith is what he is and that isn't going to change. If Foles isn't lights out, he's at least going to be able to duplicate what Smith does while your youngster learns. Cut ties with your weakest option. Trading Smith gives the chiefs 1 million less cap relief than cutting Foles, so its hardly a financial issue.

You ever had a hankering for a nice soda beverage so you go to McDonald's and order a large drink and they fill the whole ****ing thing with ice? That's how we feel here at CP with the Chiefs.

whoa! Welcome! :clap:

If only the entire world existed in a vacuum.

You want to post Matt Flynn's numbers next?

The reality of Alex Smith at QB is better than the constant bitching about it.

The team seems to have done everything they could to produce a winner.

I will gladly take the Dorsey years over the Pioli years. At least we keep getting better.

GO CHIEFS!!!

This is the greatest post in your entire history here at CP... I almost brought me to tears... I wish I could rep this post every second of the every day for the rest of the year...

I officially now love you DaneMcCloud! :hump:

Smith played the same way he has all season in the Playoffs. I think the homers were waiting for him to "flip the switch", and it didn't happen. Now they are coming into the light.

Alex isn't a terrible QB, but you could pay any Rookie QB to come in and make Low Risk 3 yard passes and bubble screens and end up with a minimal amount of INT's and possibly a good Win % as long as the defense keeps the game in reach (like they have for most of Smith's tenure).

Cutting Smith might save 1 million in cap money but it doesn't recoup money already spent to Smith that would have to be spent again for Foles. We will have to give Foles a new contract if we keep him which means a new signing bonus and up-front money. A 5-year deal or some general long term commitment when we've already done that with Alex Smith and our commitment to Smith is almost over. I've yet to see anything from Foles to suggest is a big enough upgrade over Smith to warrant a new long-term commitment.

We don't know that Foles can duplicate what Smith did, he certainly didn't appear to be able to when he started for us a game this year.

Keep Smith for another year, draft a replacement.

We should have been pushing for Alex Smith's replacement as soon as we acquired him.

Sorry, but Reid is content with Smith or we would have been displayed more urgency in drafting a replacement for him.

Matt Flynn has 7 career starts. Makes no sense that you would compare him to Foles.

You want move forward at the QB position, save money, and see what you have on the roster so you can make a decision in 2018? Cut Smith, start Foles.

You want to tread water and pay through the nose to do so? Stand pat.

If the Chiefs give Alex Smith a Post-June 1 Designation, they save $13,300,000 in Cap Space while creating $3.6 million in Dead Money for a Total Cap Clearance of $9.7 million dollars.

They can easily move on from him.

Foles is under contract for 2017 at $10.75 million. There is absolutely no reason to give him a new signing bonus or upfront money unless they want to extend him while their developmental QB is preparing to start.

A 7th round 2nd year player put up similar stats to Alex Smith this year.

I'm pretty sure they could cut him and get atleast 80 percent of his production from a rookie cheap QB.

Garapolo or Mahomes.

Just cause I'd like to say he's ma homeys....

The missing 20%?

Setting up the punter, and Hidden TD's.

I guess.

I don't really get why some are against it. It would allow you to put better players around said QB while he develops. Basically, what Seattle did.

So you want a NE backup that played well while Brady was out a few games? That worked out well for us the last time we did it. :hmmm:

NE Backup / San Fran Reject... Same as it ever was...

Seattle was eliminated before we were this year. You want to make these changes because we lost a playoff game, but you want to emulate a team that just.......lost a playoff game with that formula.

Brilliant!!!!

This is just more of "the grass is always greener", even when it isn't.

People equate rookie QB's with failure.

Which is ****ing ridiculous, but hey, we are talking about the dumbest fanbase in the NFL.

EDIT: See above, Post 228. Exhibit A.

We all have seen how well that has worked the last four times the Chiefs tried it.

If Garapolo were something special, would New England be foolish enough to let him go knowing that Brady can and will turn into Manning/Favre within the next few years?

Or is everyone convinced the BB is so smart that he can turn any JAG into a GOAT?

Behind every great QB is a coach ready to take the credit.

Seattle was at their best when they were paying their Qb peanuts, so they could surround him with more talent. During that time, they went to what, 2 straight SB's and 3 straight NFC title games?

Jesus christ. The grass is greener when you can get the same production from a QB youre paying cheaply vs one youre paying alot too.

If I had this answer, I'd be making a hell of a lot more money...

I'd look to try and trade Smith (unlikely). If thats not happening, keep him and draft a guy to sit under him I guess.

I think with the current weapons we have, plus another year of FA and the draft, a rookie Qb could come in and be successful.

Romo and draft a qb.

If they're gonna draft a guy early (round 1 or 2) play him immediately. Let him grow with the rest of the young core they've got.

**** that this team is ready to win now.

The team with the best record in the nfc started a rookie qb.

They can win with a rookie qb.

Not really.

DJ is probably done for even if he tries to come back from a second achilles pop. The other ILB spot is jag. Houston cannot stay healthy, Hali is done and Ford only shows up against garbage OL talent. Poe is probably walking and the DL is thin once you get past Jones. Berry might walk in FA as well (though I wouldn't put money on it.) Secondary is all right but it's not the back end of the Legion of Boom by any stretch.

Offensively, a Maclin replacement would be warranted in the draft or perhaps a TE that's substantially better than Harris/O'Shaughnessy/Travis in the first 100 picks and there'll probably be an OG taken to insure against Ehinger not coming back / replacing LDT in the future.

2017 might feel a lot like 2014.

I want to emulate a team that was 8-11 in the playoffs, drafted a QB and have since done the following:

• 8-4 playoff record
  Back-to-back SB appearances
  1 SB championship

Wow!! A lot must have happened since they laid a collective turd last Sunday night.