thanks chumps

Just want to point out to all Jokelands fans who think they are ready to challenge us--- you got swept by us last year WITHOUT OUR BEST PLAYER. Lol

Sean Smith is a good player, but I don't think he's a major casualty.

They drafted their #1 corner last year and between Gaines and the deep CB draft, they can flesh out #2 and depth with ease.

Hell, our TWO BEST PLAYERS. Lmao!!

He doesn't have Smith's size.

Smith is a powerful cat. He probably outweighs Gaines by 30 lbs. Gaines is pretty slightly built even for a DB whereas Smith has the build of a safety. Smith also loves getting physical with WRs.

It really was a war out there with Smith on the other side. I can imagine guys absolutely dreading playing against him. Gaines will never bring that kind of presence. He'll never be a guy that literally beats WRs into submission like Smith did.

Smith's gonna be missed - he was extremely unique in his skill-set and how it fit into this scheme. Given my druthers, I'd have taken him back over both Howard and Hali.

But Dorsey and crew disagreed and them's the realities of a cap league. You can't keep everybody and so we'll need to replace him.

But don't act like Gaines can do with Smith did. He might be a credible #2 CB but it will be for entirely different reasons and I do believe the character of the secondary will have to change a bit because of it.

Got it right this time. Chump. Learn to post in the correct thread dumbass

i am not completely sold on smith... he was the best available though

on the phone rubbing my cock thinking of u

Well, they are based in Cali which probably had a lot to do with it and they are more of an average type team now than a bottom feeder. And if the money is right, he could have done a lot worse then them.

He has a pretty great Plan B.

Plan A: Stick with you as best I can while using length to deflect passes thrown your way.

Plan B: In the event I can't hang, I'm going to beat the ever living shit out of you and hope you stop making me chase you.

I really think there were times that he simply knocked the fight out of WRs. Guys just flat got tired of him hitting them and he was great about doing it legally.

Like I said, he's a hard guy to replace because he's just very unique in what he did. He was actually good at what Brandon Browner tried to do poorly.

I agree an awful lot with DJ, Smith is a unique talent for his size and it DOES suck to lose him... surprised Seattle didnt take a shot at him, they love big bruisers like him back there

But all things considered, I'd rather have Berry and Howard

They're both younger, also

Berry is not only wildly talented, but is also the inspirational heart of the defense

Howard ensures that we have REAL talent all up and down that line, rock solid vs the run, puts great pressure on the pocket, and pass rush aids corners more than vice versa

Bye Felicia.

Meh, to beat him all a QB had to do was stick a WR with decent speed and ball skills on Smith and toss it up. Smith's ball skills left a lot to be desired. Maclin will eat him alive.

Smith was a solid CB but had some pretty glaring faults, poor ball skills and severe lack of speed and quickness. It's not like we can't do better. I wouldn't be surprised if Gaines returned healthy this year and makes us completely forget about Smith.

If the help over the top isnt there after 10 yards Sean Smith gets exposed.

Sutton did a good job of making sure one of the 50 safeties he put out there always rolled over the top on Smiths side.

The times there wasnt any help or miscommunication it was pretty obvious how Smith can lose, example: Sammy Watkins

Amazing that there was a near consensus that everyone wanted Dorsey to try and retain Sean Smith because he was a good player that fit in well and now that he is gone, suddenly his skills have diminished between the end of the season and the start of free agency.

Did he trip over a chair or become an alcoholic in the off-season and lose his mojo? :hmmm:

you guys better play him against the sideline so receivers only have a one-way go. If you put him in a slot type situation he will struggle big time.

I think we all agree that we would have liked to keep Smith. He would be an amazing #2 corner here.

But we also, like Oakland should be, would be concerned about a 40 million dollar deal to a 29 year old corner who doesn't have a lot of speed to burn.

I think it's more the fact that people didn't want another hole to open up on the roster. They saw what the defense was like when it had to rely on the #4 and #5 options early in the season (Gaines would have been the nickel had he not gotten injured).

Now without a 3rd rounder in this draft, losing a solid starter like Smith is something no one wants. That being said, he wasn't without his flaws and could definitely be upgraded.

What do you expect? He's a raider now so he's crap. We don't sit around and talk about how good faider players are.

I thought Smith was more important for us to keep than Berry.


Smith is gone now and Berry is still Chiefs so Berry > Smith :)

Gaines could be the #2 or nickel, but he will be starting. That other spot is just a ?. Not sure it's a bad thing. Still think Nelson can be a fine #4 with potential to grow. He's a third rounder with potential.

We're gonna have plently of opportunities to address that position in whichever way Dorsey sees fit.

Not me. Dude wants to get high and hang out in his home town. He doesn't care about the Lombardi or being great like Peters wants to. He benefited from great talent around him... How do the ppl on here think we got him on a team friendly deal after he left Miami??

He is a good NFL starting CB player.

He's not elite or shut down like this forum makes him sound like nor is he worth 10 million per.

He's a 6'3 mismatch CB that not many teams have the luxury of having every week. Most offenses don't have to game plan against a Sean Smith type every week so when he comes up he's giving a different look at your WRs than most CBs they face in a given season. Does that make him better/good? Maybe. But it certainly makes him a nice luxury to have in your scheme.

The factors that made him good here:

He played RCB, he didn't even have to face good WRs most weeks. He was playing teams #2, #3 best options most of the time. The times teams did dare to put a good talent on his side (Watkins, Gronk, Sanders, etc) he most certainly did struggle.

Raiders are paying him 10 million per to what, line him up as their RCB? I don't even know who their scheme is, but if they plan on playing him at LCB and he's facing Maclin, Thomas, Benjamin 2x a year he might actually struggle.

He benefited here big time playing in a scheme for 3 years where he had over the top help from guys like Ron Parker, Eric Berry, Kurt Coleman, Abdullah, Branch, Demps, etc.

He's not going to have that much talent behind him in Oakland so he's going to have to pick his spots a lot more carefully on when to be aggressive in case he loses.

That doesn't mean he stinks, but if you think you can put him on an island for 60 snaps a game it's going to be a long season.

That's a big if coming off major injury and still green in the league.

Not the position you can mask very easily if it turns out he is the suck.

I'm not thrilled about the loss, and CB is a premium in the pass happy game today. I guess I'm just not sure why they let him walk for a reasonable contract they could have matched.

Sean is a good NFL CB, but limited. He's not a great one. He fit this scheme well. He will not fit as well in Oakland.

He is not worth 10 mil. per and the Chiefs couldn't afford the front-loaded contract Oakland gave him anyway.

We are not a better team without him, but we will not miss him that much. Time for Dorsey to find the next veteran bounce-back candidate for cheap, and add some CB talent in the draft.


We will be fine without Sean Smith.

i've been saying for awhile i much preferred to keep howard over smith.

that he's a good cb, not great. he just got paid like a great corner, but that he ain't. he's a box cb, which works with solid players around you, but not when you get out of your box.

i'd have taken him back at much less than 10per, but no way he's worth that.

bye

Everyone keeps saying that, i'm trying really hard to convince myself that it's true.

I get a feeling that losing Smith it's going to kick us in the nuts.

Sutton is limited,secondary coaching hasn't been anything special

Without 2 outside corners our defense just isn't the same.


Imo we would have been better off keeping Sean Smith and letting Eric Berry go. We have played pretty well without Berry can't say the same without Smith.

People talk about Gaines and even Nelson, both unproven as hell. :shake:

I still remember the multiple times this year where Jaye made a play and I literally exclaimed, "PAY THAT MAN"....

Didn't think it was even remotely possible a few days ago. Cool stuff.

I would say relax Laz, we can't forget, our defense was damn good in 2014 with a revolving door at CB2. Literally, we started what, 3 guys at that spot that year? I know Smith was there, but he wasn't making the impact Peters did last year down the stretch.

We can overcome this with our front 7 healthy.

i hope so

I strongly disagree with this statement.

The Chiefs secondary has been one of its best units since the hiring of Reid and Dorsey. They've been able to coach up scrap heap players like Sean Smith, Ron Parker, Hussein Abdullah, Kurt Coleman and Tyvon Branch.

Eric Berry had his best season in 2015, Marcus Peters improved during the course of the season and Gaines looked to be on the verge of breaking out before the ACL injury. Nelson improved during the season as well, not to mention Cooper's 2013 rookie campaign.

I think the secondary coaching has been phenomenal and if they were given more talent, would be once again, among the best in the league.

:facepalm:

Houston makes a world of difference himself alone, now we get to add the rest of the gang back to that. Makes those DB's jobs so much easier.

Yep. He was last on the Chiefs priority b/c of who else they needed to sign and was always gonna go to the highest bidder regardless, (nothing wrong with that) so it worked out as I expected. Its a BIG loss IMO, but Id rather have signed the guys we did first.

The best thing about this is the Chiefs KNOW him inside and out. They know his weaknesses, they know what gets under his skin and Alex has plenty of practice against him and plenty of tape to study. Go to the enemy, become the enemy twice a year bitch.

True. But attendance is part of the grade and Houston has failed that part two of the last 3 years when needed most. Still, you gotta take your chances with him.

The injury last year was such a freak incident, you can only hope that's not going to be a norm.

I've never seen something like that happen, the way Parker just happened to whip around and hit him in the perfect spot on the knee.

I imagine everyone should know him by now.


Get him away from the sideline and force him to cover a quick guy who can break either way. Without being able to pin the WR to the sideline, Smith isn't as good.

Sean Smith probably loves playing against our screen offense.

Only IF KC finds a suitable replacement. They were not fine without him last season.

Fluke or not, he's been here for 5 years now and hasn't played a healthy playoff game yet.

Houston's among the highest paid players in the game and if he's not around when we need him most, the contract isn't helping much.

Yep. I know. And it looked like it could have been much worse when it happened. However, regardless of that, Houston was still a no-show when needed most in '13 & '15. :shrug:

It's true....

Hopefully the cards fall our way this year.

Pretty good take IMO.

I think at CB everything depends on where they want Gaines to play.

If they want him in the nickel, you draft a #2 in the first round.

If they want him outside at the #2, I think you sign Hayward for the nickel or draft another corner in the 2nd. Maybe they like Nelson a lot too.

100%

One of the biggest issues I have with this regime is not fixing the depth at CB. Dunta Robinson, Chris Owens, Jamel Fleming and Marcus Cooper have cost us games.

I really want to see us add 2 more CB's. A vet and draft pick would be nice.

I ****ing hate Dunta Robinson

We've drafted 3 in the last two drafts, and will do so again this year. It takes time to build depth.

I think you're right. Just SUCKS losing that #3 if it stands.

LMAO

Yep. NOT a team player and a POS human being... Oh, and one SORRY AS **** DB.

Sure, but right now I for sure want a vet. Boykin, Robinson and Heyward can all play the slot really well.

Would love to have any one of those three.

Yea I meant to add we'll also sign a vet to replace Smith/Cooper.

Damn, completely forgot Boykin was out there. He's a damn solid slot corner.

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Sean Smith says balance of power in AFC West "Oh, it;s definitely switching." toward #Raiders

Maclin gonna torch your dumbass

It's amazing how quickly hatred can be activated. **** that guy!

Oh for ****s sake ROFL

Sean said on Sirius radio that he knew we had guys to take care of and he didn't feel like he was a part of that list.

Interesting. Probably a good indicator of how Dorsey feels about Gaines and/or his ability to get a guy in the draft or free agency (though there's not much left there).

That piece of shit will fit in perfectly with the Raiders... Where football players go to die

Smith was a good player. If he signed with any other team I'd wish him well and thank him for his time as a Chief. Unfortunately that's not the case, so go **** yourself Sean Smith and thanks for costing the Chiefs a chance at the division because of your stupid behavior off the field.

I like Gaines I just hope he can stay healthy. CB should be a priority in the draft now along with WR.

I'm not really worried about this team's ability to field a good secondary. Dorsey and Co have shown time and time again that they could bring in scrubs or very average players and turn them into quality starters in this system.

I just hope that Sutton gets his head out of his ass and starts playing to disrupt the quick passing games so that the pass rush actually has more than 2 seconds to get there. That Pats game was frustrating as hell.

Look at that lazy right eye swinging around over there, like Tiny Lister on crack

Save your money smiff, because Oakland will have no love for you when they're through with you

Maybe he'll tear his labia and be out for the season.

As has been said, his skillset is going to be hard to replace. He had a bit of a James Hasty attitude he brought to playing CB. JH was a rocked up 6' 200 lb corner and would jack a WR in the mouth and toss his ass out of bounds on the opening drive to send a message. Smith has a reach and bigger frame to play like that and you can't just line up a safety sized CB out there and expect it to work. He's a better version of Dave Thomas of the Giants from 10 or so years ago. Not the KFC dude. And like Thomas he probably won't make a conversion to Safety like a Charles Woodson, Rod Woodson, etc did in their careers. So I can see not wanting to get into the risk of handing out a long term deal with knowing age will more than likely catch up with him before that contract runs out.

Motivation can be brought up as in 2014, Parker was starting ahead of him in OTA's and heading into camp. Part of that was probably them being pissed with the DWI but the other part was a flat out benching to get him to step up his game. And he took it in stride and did. Ideally, working a LTD with Berry and Franchising Smith would have been great but i'm not going to rag on Dorsey for that. Is what it is. They got a unique player that's going to help them and we had a unique situation with so many contracts with starters that were due

Pretty remarkable what ET and Al Harris have done coaching up the DB's. Glad Harris is there to hopefully take over when Emmitt retires. Tommy Brasher too on the DL. Guy is like 75 and coaching the hell out of the DL. Good for young Brit Reid to learn from as well as the players. Damn excited to see Howard resigned and sticking around. He developed here even though KC didn't draft him. Was a gifted present on the waiver wire from Seattle's stacked roster, just like Parker, and good on Dorsey, Ballard, and Will Lewis coming from Seattle himself, to identify those guys.

They kept Marcus Cooper last year and could have easily have cut him. He's got a chance for some snaps somewhere, possibly even safety, if he's got his confidence back and it's not shot. There's still something to work with there IMO and if any staff is going to get it out of him it's ET and Harris

I do too. All the physical talent you could ask for. A little durability and we could have a diamond in the rough.

Those bastards got Hudson and now Smith :shake:
Revenge for Marcus Allen I guess! ROFL

I wanted him here but I'm guessing he has 2 years before he hits a wall. I also think our O style is more quick cuts, etc. Smith is great at defending back shoulder, down the field, etc. but we don't do much of that(although we should)

We better have a good player to fill his shoes, because this defense looked like shit without him.

4 years 40 million was cheaper than I thought he would go for.

Both Eli Apple and William Jackson look so appealing now. Kendall Fuller looks good too but these 2 are my favorite guys to replace Sean.

You're right - it sure did and that contract was not over the top at all....The way the contract was structured, it made it harder for the Chiefs to do. Of course a big signing bonus could have made it work and Smith is young enough that he probably has the years left to spread that out. I'd have done it the same way with signing all the other players first too. Bottom line was he was a priority, but not their top one. Let's see who they get in his place. I don't think Dorsey will go the Stanford Routt, route. They know how important TWO good starting CB's are in Sutton's defense.

Look he's from Passdena he wanted to be near home we would've had to way overpay to keep him. Am I little worried yes we did look bad the two games without him. However Peters was only in his first couple of games. Gaines looked good before he got injured in that game. Dorsey is a great GM trust him he knows our weaknesses. He will fix them. I maybe a blind homer but I agree with Jaye Howard there is something special bout this team.

We better be focused and ready to get multiple guys as possible replacements for Sean Smith.


We are boned without 2 guys on the outside that can single coverage consistently. :(

Sutton needs single coverage on the outside so he can play his multiple safety zone on the inside.