I wonder if that was sticking point to the deal?

It would have been impossible to pay for his contract otherwise.

Like the contract I'm proposing for Berry or Houston, Smith's contract has some trigger bonuses in year 2 or 3 (can't remember details). They're optional roster bonuses but they're pretty much guaranteed. It's basically a way to pay some of your signing bonus today and defer some of it later.

Haven't read the thread yet, but will very soon.

1st of all, this is an excellent re-signing for the Chiefs, and it shows a flexibility and pragmatic approach by Dorsey that we have yet seen. The Chiefs could have stayed pat, let Bailey walk, and let DeVito come back.

Instead, they've actively re-signed Bailey and will now probably actively cut DeVito. Great work by Dorsey, and a very sensible contract.

2nd, I'd like to be a child for a moment and rub this in mcaj's face, who criticized me for saying that this deal that I projected for a couple months now was unreasonably cheap:

I almost nailed it on the head.

I could certainly see where a team would not really want to give 20 +/- million and a significant salary to one player in the same season. That could be a lot of cash being payed to just one player in a single year.

It really has nothing to do with wanting to pay cash up front or not. It has everything to do with when you want that cash to hit your cap.

ummmmmmmmm

This doesn't match the OP, does it?

The 2nd and 3rd rounds of Fat Scott's 2011 draft class look good now… Rodney Hudson, Justin Houston, and Allen Bailey… not bad.

Unfortunately Jon Baldwin was the Chiefs first round pick that year.

What? You let him "walk" just yesterday. Not a week ago, not a month ago. Yesterday.

LMAO

I remember when I was touting both of these guys and was told to get ****ed because they sucked.

I love each and everyone of you.

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

ROFL

Get ****ed. You suck!

Ever think that had more to do with you than those two players?

Hard to say...

Baldwin was a freakbeast from a physical standpoint. His combine numbers were the stuff of legend.

To take a guy like that and hope you can turn him into an All-Pro with proper coaching is not so far fetched. It's more of a reality than taking a slow, short dude and making that an All-Pro.

It's hard to determine at draft time whether or not you've got J.J. Watt or Vernon Gholston. Whether or not you have Calvin Johnson or Jon Baldwin. Sometimes it's hard to determine at that point in time, especially when guys are still on the board that you didn't think were going to be there and didn't fully analyze prior to the draft. (At least Dorsey does his homework on about everyone and tries to tie that into the objectivity of the Decision Lens system.)

Add to that that Bowe was in a contract year...

I don't mind the Baldwin pick. I do mind that the guy had no drive/love/passion for the game despite the prodigious physical tools after the fact.

Anything is possible, though it's hard to imagine why anyone would have a problem with my insightful insightfulness.

I'm a pretty likable guy. Smart, good looking, humble.

Nah, I think it comes down to everyone else just being the same dipshits they always are.

It's more to those who criticize everything Dorsey does. There is a plan for everything. Yeah, I didn't like the lack of turning over the receiving corps. But there is clearly a plan to build the roster for the long term. While it doesn't placate to the instant gratification crowd, it sets up beautifully a sustained run of success for the chiefs. Beautiful.

Except that Baldwin was noted for being the king of prima donnas, and even with the benefit of good coaching in college never improved even remotely. Even in terms of his conditioning, he got credit for loving to work out even though he hated practicing with the team.

He should have never been drafted. Terrible draft pick.

Baldwin could have been anything he wanted, he chose to be a scrub.

I let him walk in an offseason hypothetical.

So... zing?

Nail on the head, sadly.

I think Pioli got Jamaal Charles to sign a contract that was cheaper than that LMAO

He also drafted 2 DL that are worlds better than Derek Wolfe.

That really is all that separates the greats from the average NFL player. The will to push themselves beyond their own capabilities. That's why I was so high on a kid like Jordan Matthews and wanted him in the first. Why I loved Aaron Donald even more as a prospect, etc. I don't care how fast they run, how high they can jump, or how much they can lift, if they don't have that will to be great then they aren't really worth drafting.

So Tim Tebow was your favorite QB ever, then?

:rolleyes: Exactly what I said.

It was a joke, Sparky. Lighten up.

Blackbob?

Derek Wolfe is the 2nd best run defending 4-3 DE in the NFL according to PFF. His run defense grade is 5 times higher than Poe's and more than 10 times higher than Bailey's...

Oh, I didn't realize it was donkey time.

I'll remember you said that when Jamaal Charles fingers Wolfe's butthole for grading out poorly against KC.

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Much like herpes, with him it is always.

Isn't everything you post in the draft forum hypothetical?

The reason I linked to your post yesterday was to establish the fact that you are soooooooooooooo far out of Dorsey's realm that it's literally funny.

Yes. It's a ****ing draft forum.

A point I was trying to make artfully to help you save face until you completely missed the subtext.

LMAO

I didn't miss the "subtext".

You create these "hypotheticals" every single day. And in doing so, you're wrong 99.99% of the time.

So for you to say today:

Is absolutely hysterical. What, exactly, did you "nail" between yesterday and today?

Baldwin?


The day he was drafted, myself and a few others reminded everyone how slow he was off the snap and that his game speed was nothing like his combine speed.

It was a waste of a pick whether Baldwin had the drive or not.

You did, but you're recovering well.

I don't think so. If I decide to keep Bailey for a hypothetical, I have to estimate what it would cost to keep him. That was my most recent estimation.

I have absolutely no idea where the hostility is coming from about a guy who piddles around making mock drafts for a football team. Do you honestly care, and if not, why burn the time pretending.

Seek help.

I don't understand how anyone can give Pioli credit for hitting on a few second and third round picks when he missed on so many picks over his four year tenure.

Even the worst GM's in the league hit on a few players because it's The Draft, which is usually features talented football players.

Hostility? No hostility here. But you're like the guy that walks into the casino and places a chip on all 38 numbers, then when the wheels stops says, "I Win!".

LMAO

None whatsoever.

Not a bad description, actually.

I was pumped about the Baldwin signing. :sulk:

Old School and Ned Yost. The only people never wrong on a prospect.

1 3 Tyson Jackson DE Louisiana State
3 67 Alex Magee DT Purdue
4 102 Don Washington DB Ohio State
5 139 Colin Brown T Missouri
6 175 Quinten Lawrence WR McNeese State
7 212 Javarris Williams RB Tennessee State
7 237 Jake O'Connell TE Miami (Ohio)
7 256 Ryan Succop K South Carolina

Thats horrible but wasnt that draft pretty bad as a whole?

You can also add Jovan Belcher to that draft as an UDFA.

No more than usual.

There were many good players from that draft including BJ Raji, Alex Mack, Brian Cushing, Brian Orapko, Jeremy Maclin, Percy Harvin, Michael Crabtree, Vontae Davis, Clay Mathews, James Laurenitis, Eric Wood, Andy LeVitre, Connor Barwin, Max Unger, LeSean McCoy, Mike Wallace, Sean Smith, Michael Johnson, Henry Melton, Brian Hartline and more.

Late round picks like Julian Edelman, Ricky Jean-Francios, Captain Munnerlyn and the Chiefs Vance Walker were all chosen in the 7th.

Reading that made my head hurt.

Good signing by the Chiefs. Now get Hudson locked up and they can franchise Houston and then 'trim the fat' over this off-season and next to make room for a big fat contract for him, hopefully heavily back-loaded, after the 2015 season.

Yeah it was pretty shit.

Damn. Aids.

Cleveland traded down 5 times in the first round and still got mack.

Nice to see that another asshole that says they are not being an asshole has returned. :rolleyes:

Life would be much more interesting if we all just admitted that we are indeed assholes

Most people can be an asshole, some people cannot stop themselves from being an asshole.

Cutting Daniel this offseason will give us significant cap space. If cut before June 1, we save $3.8 million. If it's post June 1, we save $4.3 million and defer $500K to the 2016 cap.

At least we got a lot of value out of our 2nd round pick...

But he's so smart and knows Warren Buffet! We'll never find another like him!

Yup, Hali is gone...

I hope not. I'd rather let Berry go than Hali. Although I'd prefer to keep both

They didn't draft Ford to re-sign Hali. He gone

Yup.

Good news is Houston should be the primary focus of the offseason...

Dorsey wears it on his sleeve when it's axe time, it seems.

Then why is Ford playing behind Houston instead of Hali?

They drafted Ford to CYA in the event that Houston gets and takes megabucks.

Hali will remain a Chief.

We may get rid of Tamba and Berry this off-season. I love them both but I wouldn't be surprised.

Ford should allow them to go either way.

LMAO at anybody thinking Houston wont be here next year.

Ford doesn't play the strong side you ****ing idiot.

Allen Bailey on signing extension now: I saw what happened to Carson Palmer
Posted by Josh Alper on November 17, 2014, 7:54 AM EST
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The Chiefs Defense hasn’t allowed a rushing touchdown all season, including a goal-line stand in the fourth quarter on Sunday that helped them protect a 24-20 lead and turn it into a victory.

Bailey was also at the tip of the spear when the Chiefs stuffed Seahawks running back Marshawn Lynch on a fourth-and-1 later in the fourth quarter, a stop that pushed Kansas City even closer to its seventh win of the season and continued a strong 2014 season for the 2011 third-round pick. It’s been such a strong season that some may wonder why Bailey gave up the chance to hit the open market in favor of a four-year, $25 million extension that he signed with the Chiefs on Saturday.

After Sunday’s game, Bailey explained that seeing Cardinals quarterback Carson Palmer tear his ACL had an impact on his decision to take the money now rather than wait to see if he could make more after the season.

“I saw the Carson Palmer incident,” Bailey said, via Peter King of MMQB.com. “That was an eye-opener. Anything can happen, on any play. I decided to do it now. Plus, this is a great place for me. I love the family atmosphere we have here. We all buy in, and we all work hard. It’s a great bunch of guys.”

Getting Bailey’s deal done should allow the Chiefs to turn their full attention toward keeping linebacker Justin Houston and keeping that great bunch of guys together a little bit longer. With 2012 first-round defensive tackle Dontari Poe also in the fold, it’s a strong foundation to build around for a Chiefs team that is now 18-8 since Andy Reid took over as head coach.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...carson-palmer/

LMAO

Goddammit I'm thrilled we locked him in.

We just signed a guy to a four year contract, and the first day on it, he plays his ass off.

Bodes VERY well for the future.

has there been a detailed breakdown on the contract structure yet?

Yes. A report from Teicher has it that a Brinks truck was spotted unloading ten million $1 bills at his house.

When asked Bailey said, "I'm 'bout to make it rain."

his address! tell me.... NAO!!!!

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/chi.gif

:doh!:

Teicher started to say it but then went off on some long speech about his feeling about turkey.

Since when is Ford playing behind Houston?

When we've been blowing teams out of the water and bringing in backups, Ford has always played Hali's spot.

well thank goodness for that Palmer injury because hes basically saying he would have gotten more on the open market

According to our own roster Ford and Houston are both LOLB. The depth chart shows that Ford is the backup for Houston with Martin being the backup for Hali.
I think we all know that Ford is the 1st OLB for depth at either spot in all reality.