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jd1020 10-21-2014 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 11035984)
Yes... let's pretend we actually hate each other and be combative. That will satisfy some animalistic need in you. Let me know if you need more help with being a decent person.

I don't need to pretend to hate 9er trolls.

temper11 10-21-2014 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11035930)
Clay isn't about refining coaching and playcalling, or a comprehensive assessment and upgrade of the roster.

Clay is about trolling that each and every Chiefs fan woe can be thrown at the feet of Alex, Fisher and ultimately Clark.

He's picked the 3 things least likely to change in a good, great many years, and obsessed on them to the effect of complete tunnel vision. He's so intent on being a master troll, that he's neglected the rest of the world, including the NFL world, to his detriment.

For him the NFL exists solely to 'GIF up' Alex and Fisher, and snark from the cheap seats.

This.

Ming the Merciless 10-21-2014 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 11035977)
I don't need to pardon you or any long time fans. As a longtime fan of the Sacramento Kings, (sorry KC) I know a bit what it's like to never sniff the post season. But to me, if you don't allow yourself any hope or any optimism at all, even through all of the losing, than what's the point? It probably won't happen this year, maybe next year or 5 years... but if you don't at least allow for the possibility during the regular season, than you'll miss the "ride" when it does happen.

Anyway.... I'm pulling for you guys. Would love to see the Chiefs fans get some payoff.

I guess its semantics but the ride is not just about this season, its about this TEAM...

Seeing the young team come together and now start beating decent teams is really cool. Last couple years, we could only beat losing teams....with backup QB's etc...

Watching the plan unfold is very interesting, and seeing April's draft will be another step.

If we do manage to win a playoff game this year, it wont really be the end game of 'the ride' it will just be the beginning...

I personally dont think people are missing the ride by not having 'hope' for a playoff run this season, they are just on a different ride than you....

But I dunno, everyone experiences shit differently. I have a tiny bit of hope we will win a playoff game - if only to get experience (much needed ) for a young team....not so much as an end result. If we go 5-3 that hope will grow a little...If we win more away games against winning teams....that hope could grow alot.

I would love it if my tiny pilot light of hope could get ignited by the gas of a playoff run...but I just see too many flaws still and I am not going to let a single win against a banged up SD team bust my gas valve wide open.

Rausch 10-21-2014 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11035978)
The front office iis in year 2 of their tenure and have had draft picks that have played a year and 6 games and 6 games. Seems pretty early to make any determinations on anything but I guess that's just me.

And it's worse than it seems if you waste time watching the whole draft.

We have drafted players that will contribute (Davis, Dat, etc) but when you look at what we passed on to take those players it's sickening.

temper11 10-21-2014 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 11035987)
I don't need to pretend to hate 9er trolls.

Yes... I can feel your anger.... You hate me for no other reason than I'm a fan of another team! Fuel it. Build it up enough and you too can have stabbings in your parking lot.

O.city 10-21-2014 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 11035997)
And it's worse than it seems if you waste time watching the whole draft.

We have drafted players that will contribute (Davis, Dat, etc) but when you look at what we passed on to take those players it's sickening.

Sickening? Nah

We drafted contributors that can play at a high level. Isn't that what you want out of the draft?

Seems like a lot of bitching just to bitch

temper11 10-21-2014 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 11035993)
I guess its semantics but the ride is not just about this season, its about this TEAM...

Seeing the young team come together and now start beating decent teams is really cool. Last couple years, we could only beat losing teams....with backup QB's etc...

Watching the plan unfold is very interesting, and seeing April's draft will be another step.

If we do manage to win a playoff game this year, it wont really be the end game of 'the ride' it will just be the beginning...

I personally dont think people are missing the ride by not having 'hope' for a playoff run this season, they are just on a different ride than you....

But I dunno, everyone experiences shit differently. I have a tiny bit of hope we will win a playoff game - if only to get experience (much needed ) for a young team....not so much as an end result. If we go 5-3 that hope will grow a little...If we win more away games against winning teams....that hope could grow alot.

I would love it if my tiny pilot light of hope could get ignited by the gas of a playoff run...but I just see too many flaws still and I am not going to let a single win against a banged up SD team bust my gas valve wide open.

Fair enough pawn. Like I said... I'm pulling for you guys.

Ming the Merciless 10-21-2014 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 11036007)
Fair enough pawn. Like I said... I'm pulling for you guys.

right on

Ill sit next to you on the bus

until you decide to pull the stop cord and leave us

8-(

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Youre like that creepy dude with a bus pass who comes on the bus to follow a hot piece of ass (ALex Smith) but when he transfers to another bus (like maybe Arizona or something) youll just wait until he leaves and then casually walk off the bus to follow....leaving us here wondering if the hot piece of ass is going to get raped or not...

LOL , i kid...

Jimmya 10-21-2014 11:29 AM

I'm still suffering from last year's disastrous ending to our great ride.

Rausch 10-21-2014 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11036005)
Sickening? Nah

We drafted contributors that can play at a high level. Isn't that what you want out of the draft?

Seems like a lot of bitching just to bitch

No, and it's clearly not.

For instance this past draft we took a 1 dimensional (and he is clearly one dimensional) pass rusher with our 1st pick in the draft.

Instead of a player riding the pine we could have drafted a WR to start immediately to help out Smith. Or a CB to come in immediately and improve our coverage.

Also the bungling of the 1st round pick. We used every second of time on the clock before turning our pick in. Don't sit there and clearly lie and say he was your guy. You don't let the clock run all the way down because you're locked in to picking a guy - you do it because you're trying to work out some kind of trade. Another area Dorsey clearly sucks at.

We could have gotten a low 2nd for Albert the year before and instead will be hoping for a high comp pick (lower 3rd round.)

temper11 10-21-2014 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 11036015)
right on

Ill sit next to you on the bus

until you decide to pull the stop cord and leave us

8-(

edit:

Youre like that creepy dude with a bus pass who comes on the bus to follow a hot piece of ass (ALex Smith) but when he transfers to another bus (like maybe Arizona or something) youll just wait until he leaves and then casually walk off the bus to follow....leaving us here wondering if the hot piece of ass is going to get raped or not...

LOL , i kid...

Nah... you won't need to slow down. I'll just jump out the window or something. Rest assured... the hot piece of ass is safe from me.

O.city 10-21-2014 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 11036036)
No, and it's clearly not.

For instance this past draft we took a 1 dimensional (and he is clearly one dimensional) pass rusher with our 1st pick in the draft.

Instead of a player riding the pine we could have drafted a WR to start immediately to help out Smith. Or a CB to come in immediately and improve our coverage.

Also the bungling of the 1st round pick. We used every second of time on the clock before turning our pick in. Don't sit there and clearly lie and say he was your guy. You don't let the clock run all the way down because you're locked in to picking a guy - you do it because you're trying to work out some kind of trade. Another area Dorsey clearly sucks at.

We could have gotten a low 2nd for Albert the year before and instead will be hoping for a high comp pick (lower 3rd round.)

You don't think they tried to trade albert? I'd imagine they'd have taken a 2nd if it were available. So clearly that wasn't the case.

Just seems like a while lot of festering and bitching about something that didn't work out the way you wanted. No offense

O.city 10-21-2014 11:42 AM

And they did draft a corner a few rounds later that helped in coverage on Sunday against a pretty good qb

O.city 10-21-2014 11:50 AM

http://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/jM55...iefs_Pic.0.png

Here's a still image of the play in the 4th before the punt.

Coogs 10-21-2014 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11036070)
http://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/jM55...iefs_Pic.0.png

Here's a still image of the play in the 4th before the punt.

I count 10 Charger defenders in the screen. If they have 11 players on the field, where is the mystery defender hiding? If he is say at the 20, maybe that is why the ball did not go over the top.

O.city 10-21-2014 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 11036096)
I count 10 Charger defenders in the screen. If they have 11 players on the field, where is the mystery defender hiding? If he is say at the 20, maybe that is why the ball did not go over the top.

There's 11 accounted for. Count again.

Rausch 10-21-2014 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11036050)
You don't think they tried to trade albert? I'd imagine they'd have taken a 2nd if it were available. So clearly that wasn't the case.

Wrong.

The Dolphins offered their lower 2nd round pick and we wanted the higher one (I don't remember the pick numbers.)

We turned down a lower 2nd.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11036050)
Just seems like a while lot of festering and bitching about something that didn't work out the way you wanted. No offense

Then you're not paying attention.

It's not about them drafting "my guy" it's about wasted opportunities.

It's about drafting the replacements for players a year before you plan to release them or let them walk. It's a treading-water mentality and while you're doing that you're also passing on starting level talent at numerous positions of need.

Keep in mind I was $#itting my pants with glee when I heard we hired Dorsey. It's his approach and performance that have soured me...

Sorter 10-21-2014 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 11036096)
I count 10 Charger defenders in the screen. If they have 11 players on the field, where is the mystery defender hiding? If he is say at the 20, maybe that is why the ball did not go over the top.

There are 11 Bolts in the pic. There's one hidden right behind Jenkins (I think that's who that is) running the post.

Coogs 10-21-2014 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 11036106)
There are 11 Bolts in the pic. There's one hidden right behind Jenkins (I think that's who that is) running the post.

Okay, I see him. I thought they said Jenkins was wide open though. Doesn't seem to be the case.

O.city 10-21-2014 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 11036104)
Wrong.

The Dolphins offered their lower 2nd round pick and we wanted the higher one (I don't remember the pick numbers.)

We turned down a lower 2nd.



Then you're not paying attention.

It's not about them drafting "my guy" it's about wasted opportunities.

It's about drafting the replacements for players a year before you plan to release them or let them walk. It's a treading-water mentality and while you're doing that you're also passing on starting level talent at numerous positions of need.

Keep in mind I was $#itting my pants with glee when I heard we hired Dorsey. It's his approach and performance that have soured me...

I don't remember them offering a second round pick. Pretty sure it was a 3rd I could be wrong tho

Rausch 10-21-2014 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11036108)
I don't remember them offering a second round pick. Pretty sure it was a 3rd I could be wrong tho

Let's say you're right.

My point still stands. We could have gotten a 3rd immediately but instead hope to get a low 3rd two years later...

O.city 10-21-2014 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 11036123)
Let's say you're right.

My point still stands. We could have gotten a 3rd immediately but instead hope to get a low 3rd two years later...

They also got a year out of Albert.

They played hardball and it didn't work out

ChiefsLV 10-21-2014 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11036108)
I don't remember them offering a second round pick. Pretty sure it was a 3rd I could be wrong tho

It was a third: http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/5...gterm-contract

O.city 10-21-2014 12:48 PM

I was thinking we wanted the high third, they offered the low third, we walked away


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