Carr was real good but Routt is not much of a downgrade. Routt is in fact the best number 2 corner in the AFC West. As of now, Carr is probably the 15th best corner in this league and Routt around 30th. I've seen Matt Miller (maybe not the most credible but still...) rank Routt higher than Carr back in March, I've seen Raiders fans say Routt is an average number 1 corner or a very good number 2. Really, it's not like we went from Carr to Reeves.

Vrabel taught Studebaker everything he knows...

Yeah....funny you would laugh about it.

how to be slow and white?

Don't worry, I'm sure Peeholi will accommodate you with more d-line picks.

What the **** fantasy world are you living in?

LMAO

We'll see.... People keep saying that but the truth is that Routt has been around for eight years and only had one good year. He has mostly played in the nickel and dime and on special teams. He was pretty good as the #2 in 2010 across from Asamough but that's about it. After the first year as the #2, he was benched because he stunk.

When he got his shot at being the #1 he led the league in pass intereference calls and was the most penalized player on the most penalized team.

The bottom line is that he played well yesterday and I'm happy about that. However, he's only had one good season out in his first seven years.

Carr should have been the number one in KC. Especially in 2010 and 2011. It was easy to see he was better than Flowers in coverage. I think he'll make the pro bowl this year in Dallas. He is shadowing WRs there for the entire game. He did a great job on Victor Cruz the othr night and there will be more to come.

Losing him was a huge mistake. In my opinion, there is no other young player ascending as much as he is right now. He has not plateaued and that's why he got a big contract. I think Flowers leveled off two years ago. I like Flowers but, I like Carr better. In the end, I think Jerry got a good deal.

It's called reality man. You should try it sometime.

:facepalm:

Routt was one of the bright spots yesterday.

lol

You just keep getting wronger and wronger. Please go away now. k thx bye

He'd damned well better be.

JFC this guy.

It's all right little fella.... Just ask me nicely and I'll post the story with a link... I'm about to leave work so try not to dilly dally. There's no reason to fret. Just buck up little camper and ask nicely or put it in your list.

Why does Black Bob have + rep? What has this ****ing place come to in my absence?

Do you drool on your keyboard?

:spock:

That's showing us what exactly?

Carr is gone. Carr is gone. Carr is gone. We can debate the validity of this decision, but in reality you all know that when we signed Flowers to a long term deal, Carr was gone. Not one NFL team is going to invest that much money in their secondary. Should we? I think we should have. But who gives a **** what I think. We must move on. Carr moved on to Dallas. This situation has nearly become as bad as the Cassel sucks syndrome.

We all know Cassel's limitations. Let's move on.
We all know keeping Carr would have been nice, but he's gone. Let's move on.

This constant debate about Carr needs to cease, as well as the bitching about Casserole's limited mental makeup. Let's stop contrubting to this thread hijack circle jerk.

dont worry after this season Carr will be an after thought because next year we can all start our posts out with "Bowe is gone..." instead lol

We should just start now...

Or "everybody worth a shit is gone, but we still have hackjob and and hackjob jr", yes...

Or just fire all the idiots.

Keep it simple.

Week 1

Brandon Carr -1.5
Stanford Routt +1.1



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Pioli wins, even when he loses!

Houston had a pretty good game

Tjax with 3 stops too....pretty nice software you got

**** though we need more pressure on the QB

Genius move putting Reeves on Julio Jones in the first quarter. Really, just brilliant.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe they threw at Reeves because he sucks? Maybe they didn't throw at Routt because they could throw at Reeves? Maybe they put Reeves on Jones because we were out of CBs? Maybe they knew Romeo never moves his corners? How can you possibly tell me about Carr if you dodn't even know that?

Everything I said about Routt in my post was true. The guy has been playing for years and hasn't even started half of his career. He was good yesterday and I hope he continues to be. However, lets not get ahead of ourselves.

To unleash the LBs shouldn't the DEs at least occupy more than just one guy on the opposing offense? Our DEs don't seem to do that. Every time there's a one to one stalemate between our DEs and the other guys we have lost the battle.

I guess we shouldve put Reeves on Roddy WHite then since he had a bad game...


LOL

Was Carr one of Vrabel's students as well?

They did put Reeves on White. Once Jones already had all his completions.

you're a douche even when you aren't trying

Possibly, I know he taught Leggit how make read calls.

Which article?

THe POS fluff Looney piece on KCCHIEFS.com?

Do get all your "inside info" from there? LMAO

I didn't read the entire thread, but before I start talking about the Dline, I want to address the scheme.

This defensive scheme is bad. By design it makes our Dline 1 dimensional. Plus its predictable. If we're in our base, teams know where the pressure is coming from. There's a reason other teams don't run it.

I'm tired of chasing the Patriots' past. **** Pioli, Crennel, and Cassel.

I have to be the biggest douche alive, because Pioli has infected our gaping vagina franchise.

We get ****ed by EVERYONE.

No but, if I did, I would definately post the article he did on Routt. Ironically, that's probably the only one that talks him up.

If we were bound and determined to spend such high draft choices on the d-line, we should be using a 4-3 defense. Then you keep Hali DE, and use the 5 and 11 picks on traditional stud DE and DT. I think we would have seen faster and much better results.

Absolutely. If we want to run a 3-4 you should model Pittsburgh, Baltimore or maybe even Houston at this point.

I almost hope we suck just so we can rid ourselves of Pioli and chasing the 2004 Patriot model with the glaring exception of Tom Brady.

The day our owner grows balls and decides to make the Chiefs a team others model from will be a good day.

I'd also like to comment on Sanchez coming up earlier in the thread. He'd be a better QB in KC.

Outside of his WR that doesn't give a shit, he doesn't have one weapon as good as we do on offense. Each of our position groups WR, TE and RB blow the shit out of what they have in NY.

We would be a better team today if we had taken him over TJ. :(

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I stil think he is the return of KCJohnny. KCJ is the only dumb**** I've ever seen that had these stupid takes and was as obstinate about them as BlackMongo.

Dane sure is suddenly negative and down on the Chiefs after telling me they were going to be a good team this year.

Oops.

What I've said all along is that 12 wins should be the bottom line.

I don't necessarily believe that they'll hit that mark but there's enough talent, even with Cassel, to hit that mark.

I think they'll need to go 1-15 or 2-14 for Pioli to be fired and hell, he might not get fired with either of those records.

LMAO

So why are you acting like Scott Pioli is the worst thing to happen to Kansas City since the game?

This is a 6-10, 7-9 team.

I gave them the benefit of the doubt Sunday and they surprised even me with their fail. They are WORSE than I thought.

That's how bad they are.

I've always felt he was the wrong guy. Granted, he's added a few nice pieces, so I'm not going to rail on him for every move, but he's certainly made more than a fair share of mistakes.

I don't buy that, at all. They were 7-9 last year with Tyler ****ing Palko, the Homeless Nutbag as coach, no Charles, Berry or Moeaki, etc.

They fell apart, no doubt. They're not tough and lack veteran leadership from the top down. But this team has talent.

6-10 would be a cluster**** of disappointment.

ughh, some people are so negative. let's hear your complaints once we're in the playoffs as a wild card.

ROFL at this massive overreaction.

Seriously...this is going to epic proportions.

Hali
Flowers
Lewis
DJ with a bum ankle
Belcher was playing with an injury
We started Andy Studebaker at ROLB
We started a corner that hadnt played since 2009

Even with all of that, we were neck and neck until the half with one of the better teams in football.

Once this team gets to full strength, its gonna go on a tear.

The problem is that very few teams in the NFL are ever at "full strength".

If Sunday's game proved anything, it's that Matt Cassel is still incapable of putting a team on his shoulders and winning a game.

And thats the biggest thing Cassel supporters miss. Is that part of what a good QB does for your team is pick it up when it needs it. When the Chiefs fall apart or are not healthy we get the "well that's why its not Matt's fault." If Matt can't step up to help a team when it needs it, we aren't going to go where we need to go.

Holy ****ing shit this place is reeruned.

LMAO

Can't wait to be 2-4 and hear more excuses.

That's best case scenario.

Says the founding member of the reeruns

Yeah, and this year the schedule is a lot tougher.

Which is why we just got our asses kicked in the home opener WITH Berry, Charles and Moeaki.

They made all the difference.

Youre rusty. You shouldve stuck around.

With Berry, Charles, and Moeaki

Without Lewis, Flowers, and Hali

Not saying we would have won, but you can't say well we got killed last year and this year we were healthy in the opener so look out.

There is no reason to be down on the "team" after this game.

We hung in there for 3 quarters with 3 starters out on D vs. a very good offensive team.

The second half the defense allowed pts and the offense didn't score.

Ok.

Now WHY did the defense allow pts and why didn't the offense score?

Well, turnovers are why we didn't score.

And, well, turnovers are why we allowed more pts.

Defense let the team down.

We were missing 3 key starters on defense.

Its really not more complex than that.

More excuses. LMAO

We had Berry, Charles, Moeaki, Lewis, Flowers and Hali ALL healthy in 2010 when we got our asses kicked by the Ravens.

This regime is fail against good teams at 50 percent strength, 75 percent strength and 110 percent strength.

FIRE. THEM. ALL.

Other than the QB shit himself.

Name another team's QB that shit himself yesterday but still managed to win.

Thanks in advance!

Vick, Stafford.

They're good, Cassel isn't.

Name the last quarterback who won a game when his defense didnt.force a punt until the 4th quarter

Thanks in advance.

Matt Ryan.

I hate cassel more than most, but im not going to put the loss on him when it was the defense who let the team down.

Hali will be back next week
Flowers should be back sooner rather than later
Lewis will back in the next few games
The offensive line will gel
Poe should continue to improve
DJ will get healthy
McCluster will continue to grow into his new role

Now, Im still not fully convinced that Cassel will still be the starter in a few weeks (Romeo sure was quick to make MC accountable in his post game PC)...but if he is, all we can do is hope and pray.

I totally expected an outcome like what happened.

Shit, Ive been saying for about a year that this team would start out 2-4 and that Cassel would get pulled during game 6.

So we're going 8-2 down the stretch?

Oh no doubt that 2010 team ended the season where it should have. Pioli just screws himself by having Matt. If we had a good QB, our results in those games you mention are probably a lot higher.

:facepalm:

Still as clueless as ever. Great job.

Even if a player isn't the main cause of a loss, it doesn't mean they had a good game.

BTW here are the predictions I posted about how the game would play out:

Heres how I see this shaking out:

Matt Cassel 230 yards 2tds 2int 1fumble 60% 7ypa
Jamaal Charles 15 carries 90 yards rushing 5 catches 25 receiving 1td
Peyton Hillis 20 carries 80 yards rushing 4 carries 25 receiving 1td receiving
Bowe 60 receiving 1 td
Baldwin 50 yards
McCluster 40 yards
Breaston 30 yards

Matt Ryan 320 yards passing 3 TDs 2ints 55% 8ypa
Turner 24 carries 80 yards
Rogers 30 yards
Jones 140 yards 2 tds
White 90 yards
Gonzalez 50 yards 1 td
Douglas 40 yards

Final score Atl 24 KC 27

I wasnt all that far off, except for Atlantas score getting an extra 16 points...

LMAO

We got raped, you were so totally wrong.

Shit, 2 months ago you thought Ryan was a bad road QB...

He owned us so ****ing hard...

I don't get why we get in these arguments every single game like there can only be one reason we lost. It's just like politics, everyone takes a side and defends it to the death. In the 2nd half, Cassel did not perform, our running attack was held in check, and our defense didn't stop anyone. That's usually the formula for getting your head stomped in, and that's what happened. It's a fail all the way around. You all lose. You get nothing! Good day sir!

Great point. Its not an either or with Cassel in the 2nd half and the defense the entire game. Both cost us.