Did you tell him Priest Holmes was going to the Hall before he was? You should have, just to see these tards come running out of the cookie aisle to tell you what a moran you are, and to lick his feet.

I'm not trying to discredit Davis... I think his two great seasons were two of the greatest seasons any RB has ever had... but is that enough to get in the HOF?

Curtis Martin just got in without winning a Super Bowl. Career achievement surely measures into it. Certainly Priest didn't get as many playoff games... but TD wouldn't have had very many playoff games either if his defense never forced a punt. Blaming him for that is completely flawed. Especially in that one game he had a better statistical performance than Davis ever did in any playoff game.

Also, Priest is at least among the greats statistically in scoring.

E. Smith
Tomlinson
M. Allen
Faulk
Jim Brown
Payton
Riggins
Alexander
B. Sanders
F. Harris
C. Martin
E. Dickerson

Those are the RB's ahead of Priest in TDs. He's in the top 25 all time in TDs. And depending on what Shaun Alexander does... all of those guys are or will be in the HOF. And if you include WR's, the same thing will eventually likely be true. Depends on Cris Carter and Tim Brown.

There's a legit chance Priest might end up the only guy currently in the top 25 TD's all-time to not be in the HOF. Terrell Davis is 109th all time in TDs. But he does have the two rings. So you're pretty much putting him in the HOF for two seasons. It's an interesting debate.

Priest averaged more yards per start, more TDs per start, playing with less talented players at the skill positions, at QB, and on defense. Chiefs' line was probably slightly better than Denver's.

Bottom line, the difference between the two players is negligible.

It's a bit like comparing Montana and Marino. They were both great QBs, one won SBs because he played on better teams.

Terrell was the G.O.A.T. I get it now,I have finally seen the light! He has been "considered" 4 times now! He's never got in,but he's been "CONSIDERED"! And being "considered" is as good as being in there! /end sarcasm.

By kc logic, the bolded part should discredit Priest, right? I mean c'mon, you can't have it both ways.

It doesn't discredit Priest.

Priest had the line advantage, TD had the skill position and QB advantage.

In the end they were both very, very good players who had 3 HOF caliber seasons because of some elite talent around them.

Priest was more productive on a per-game basis, Davis won more games because he played on better teams.

Simple. As. That.

Priest, of course, had 1,000 yards on a completely different team, too. :)

Also, it should be pointed out that Priest was having one of the great all time seasons in 2004 before he hurt his knee.

He was on pace for 1800 yards rushing and 30 TD.

Davis and Priest were very comparable in terms of level of ability.

TD had like 3 good runs and his knees fell off. Next argument.

Priest was well on his way to a 4th 2000 yard season in 2004 too. If he got that I think he might actually have had a better chance to get in. That would've been as many as Faulk and Eric Dickerson... and I think is the record. There aren't many guys who've had 2000+ yards in a season 3 times.

You are correct though... Priest had the 10th best season from scrimmage in history, and did it in 14 games. He literally could've had 75 total yards in each of the last two games and had the 2nd best season of all time from scrimmage. It would've been the best season ever at the time. But still he only ended up about 200 yards behind Chris Johnson's eventual record.

numbers dumb****. 4 players with 14,000 rushing yards . how many quarterbacks have numbers like testevarde.. that about sum it up, dipshit?

how do u figure. if he had that oline he would never get touched. meaning he wouldnt wear down. he is smaller lighter which means he is carrying less weight around . not to mention the improvements in medicine, training etc .

I think that pretty much sums it up Donks! :thumb:

There are so many misguided perceptions in this thread about those donkey teams. I'll try to correct them as soon as I get an opportunity.

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You seem like a very smart individual.

we arent saying he isnt good. He had a few damn good years.

What are the misguided perceptions? Is it that he had a HOF QB? :hmmm:

TD was the best running back in the league in a time where Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith were still playing. He was also the best playoff running back in NFL history.

Who cares if he didn't play very long. He was one of the 5 best to ever do it.

So, he's better than Smith or Sanders?

7600 career yards and he's one of the top 5 RBs.

LMAO

Oh, Donkey fans...

In his 2000 yard season he was. He won a league MVP when guys like Young, Elway, Marino, Aikman, Sanders, and Favre were playing.

fans from either kc or denver are too biased to judge TD.

So what do other fans say?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/friv/ratings.cgi

http://i.imgur.com/FCRhe.jpg

hmmmm....not there....scroll a bit...

http://i.imgur.com/U3PHe.jpg

boom goes the dynamite.

That's based on 1500 matchups for TD and 1300 for Priest.

98 was Sanders' final season.

Look at his 97 season. Without a HOF QB.

Suck it, turd.

TD was the best player on a team that won back to back Super Bowls. Those two Bronco teams had 5 or 6 HOF caliber players and that's not even including TD.

I think TD had 1,750 yards the year that Sanders had 2,000 yards rushing. The next season TD rushed for 2000 yards himself.

LMAO

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*A team that cheated the cap.

Sanders also averaged 6.1 per carry during his 2000 yrd season.

A full yard more than TD.

They didn't cheat the cap. They were creative with how they distributed their money. Bowlen had a new stadium to build and asked Elway and TD if he could give them an IOU. Nobody got payed more than what was listed on their books.

Barry Sanders was amazing.

If Denver wasn't building a new stadium the Broncos wouldn't have had to defer payments. Bowlen doesn't have the money that guys like Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder have.

I don't care why.

They still violated the cap.

Who the **** cares how many QBs had numbers like Testeverde?

Testeverde had more yards than Montana.

Montana is in, so Testeverde should be in also if numbers are all that matter.

And all those QBs that have the numbers like Testeverde should be in, as well.

TD... DT... God forbid you guys get a good player on your team named Stephen Taylor-Douglas. Your fanbase is so unoriginal and idiotic you'd probably do the same thing for his name too

In a scheme that made guys like Olandis Gary and Mike Anderson look awesome....

Davis didn't "last" either. **** him, he doesn't and won't get in.

That's some revisionist history.

They defaulted on bonuses to highly paid players they otherwise could not have kept. Then they manipulated the books to deceive the NFL. That's cheating.

Yeah... they never looked awesome. Solid? Yes. The only other back who really impressed in that system was Portis, and he wasn't as good as Davis. He also had a pretty solid career after he left Denver.

Nobody who played in that scheme ever dominated like Davis did. Crediting the scheme is stupid. Lots of Qb's succeed in the WCO as well... that doesn't minimize their impact.

The NFL has a lot to do with luck. Landing with the right team and the right system can make or break a career. Davis is the only player that fans seem to penalize in their mind because of the scheme.

If Terrell Davis were a Chief everyone on here would be kissing his ass. Dude was great for 3 seasons.

There is no question that TD was a great back, and far better than any of the other scrubs mentioned when the impact of the Rat's scheme is discussed.


But at the end of the day, SBs are won by QBs.

Its true today, it was true when the Donkeys won, it was true in '66.

I don't give a rat's ass about this debate between Davis and Holmes, even though Holmes is probably my favorite offensive Chief ever, because QBs win SBs.

Davis was a shooting star.

Nothing more.

Davis belongs in the Hall of Fame










like anyone else who purchased a $21 admission ticket

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Look at his playoff stats. Ran for 100+ yards in every playoff game those 2 years Denver won it all. 3 touchdowns against the Packers.

Does Elway get a ring without Davis?

And the most amazing thing is: They were able to win despite Greg Robinson.

Isn't that the point everyone's trying to make? HOF players need to not only be great, but last a while.

Sure but with Davis its a little different. He won 2 rings. Compare not only his regular season stats but his playoff stats to other hof running backs. The guy was great when it counted.

Whatever. Denver gained zero competitive advantage by deferring payments to a later date. They were 13 point underdogs in SB32 and could have been underdogs in SB33 if the Vikings made it to the SB.

There were a ton of other Bronco players who got two rings, so as far as I'm concerned, that's not even relevant. As someone mentioned in the other thread, Gonzo may make it in without even winning a playoff game.

If he gets in, it will probably be because of his performance in big (read: playoff) games. In 8 playoff games, he had 143 ypg, 1.5 TDs per game, and got a SB MVP. He was a huge factor in his team winning 7 of those 8 games.

For those that wnat to compare TD and Priest in every way: In 4 playoff games, Priest had 55 ypg, 0.5 TDs per game and was a minimal factor in the 3 games he won.

That's not the point. Can you really say without Davis Denver still wins those super bowls? Look at his playoff stats. He was great in big games.

This.

Flash in the pans should not make the hall period. A few more years of great play, sure. He broke down before making the finish line, sucks for him.

Being the best player on a team that had Elway, Zimmerman, Atwater,Sharpe, Nalen, Rod Smith, and Neil Smith says a lot. All of those guys should be in the HOF, TD should too.

By that logic, Santonio Holmes and Deion Branch should both be HOFers, too.

You can jerk off to them all in the Donkey HOF. The real hall should be reserved for true, longterm greatness.

Did you even bother looking up branch or Holmes overall playoff stats?

Neither of them come anywhere close to the level of production in every single post season game as Davis. Not sure what logic you are using.

Not quite the same thing. Davis' exceptional performance was a huge reason Denver won those Super Bowls as well as the playoff games leading up to them.

"Can you really say without Davis Denver still wins those super bowls?"

Both of those guys were huge players during their respective teams' super bowl runs and were both super bowl MVPs. You said it - not me.

Good for him, which is why he deserves being in a HOF....the one out in Pile High.

Again did you even bother looking up the stats before you made that argument? No you didn't.

In 2009 Holmes averaged 2 catches in the playoffs.

I fully understand Davis' impact in the SB runs.

But HoF vote should consider impact, numbers, and longevity into the equation, and Davis comes up short in longevity.

ur an idiot. its like talking to a brick wall. you dont understand .

I'm an idiot?

You're the one that says numbers matter, but then dismiss numbers when they don't fit your argument.

what about Priest Holmes? he was the best running back in the NFL for 3 straight years (like Davis), won offensive player of the year (something Davis never did), SHOULD have been 2003 MVP on a 13-3 team (but it went to Steve McNair who couldnt even win his division) and broke the TD record (an accomplishment on par with a 2000 yd season)

Billay showing his dumbassery aligning himself with the usual donkey homers.

LOL

So we should just hand out hall of fame entry for people with massive yardage seasons? LJ thanks you.















(NO, LJ IS NOT HOF WORTHY. NEITHER IS TERRELL "TWO-YEAR CAREER" DAVIS.)

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and i suppose they didnt gain a competitive advantage in the 97 playoff game when Shanarat wiped Crisco on the DLinmen, they played with it for a significant
chunk of the game and the refs didnt charge them a time out or penalize them in anyway they stopped the game in the middle of a drive so they could wipe it off

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what's really disturbing is he doesnt make the same argument for Priest Holmes (a Kansas City Chief) even though they have very similar career numbers and accomplishments

Oh, the Donkey homerism is Hilarious.

LMAO

A significant chunk of the game? LMAO

Dude, Denver ran two plays before the Chiefs mentioned it to the officials.

And it was our OL not our DL.

What Billay correctly points out, through no fault of Priest's, is that there are few, if any RBs that have had the same playoff impact as TD, including Priest.

TD's career is far too fleeting for the Hall, but what he accomplished in the playoffs is pretty remarkable.

Seriously, KnowMo may be a functional mentally handicapped person.

I agree his post-season performances are great, just not HOF worthy.

absolutely. just like what Priest, through no fault of his own, was able to accomplish in the regular season was pretty remarkable.

if Davis is more deserving of the hall it's only by a slight margin. slight enough that any diehard chiefs fan should be propping his own guy up as opposed to a cheating bronco IMO.

Since I am arguing that neither belong, what they accomplished in the regular season, or the post season, is pretty irrelevant.

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John Madden: Terrell Davis is a Hall of Fame RB and he played big in big games... If he can't be in the Hall of Fame then who is in the Hall of Fame?

it was more significant than the # of plays we ran while cheating with an unfair advantage

you're quoting Madden?

that just proves beyond a doubt how undeserving he is!!!

LMAO With all the dumb shit Madden has said over the years, you post a quote by him?

It was our offensive line that had a substance on their jersey. We ran two running plays for like 4 or 5 yards before the Chiefs whined to the refs. It had ZERO impact on the game.

if thats really what you think than why did make a point of addressing TD's post season accomplishments in Post #230?