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Shaid 08-04-2012 11:10 PM
Not sure what it is everywhere, but here it's .08. Used to be .10 but apparently that made it so if you had one beer you'd still blow legal so they lowered it. I personally don't think one beer impairs you unless you weigh less than 100 or something. I think it is a little too strict. .10 seems fine to me.

mr. tegu 08-04-2012 11:42 PM
It seems some people are missing the point. People blasting the OP are not saying he was drunk or that average people that blow a 0.08 are drunk. These people are buzzed and judgment is impaired. The OP is getting blasted, and those defending him by using the "get off your high horse" card because he is suggesting maybe it should be legal to get even MORE buzzed. What good does that do anybody? None. And I have never been even remotely buzzed and driven because I don't really drink at all.

And yeah many people are a little messed up when they drive and nobody is perfect but most people before they drive they don't use a breathalyzer, blow too much, drive home safely and say to themselves, "what's the big deal I could have had been fine with more alcohol." That distinction is why the OP is getting beat down and deservedly so.

DaneMcCloud 08-04-2012 11:45 PM
This guy is mult. First it's smoking, now it's drinking.

Please, don't feed the ****ing assholes.

Brock 08-04-2012 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaid (Post 8791983)
Not sure what it is everywhere, but here it's .08. Used to be .10 but apparently that made it so if you had one beer you'd still blow legal so they lowered it. I personally don't think one beer impairs you unless you weigh less than 100 or something. I think it is a little too strict. .10 seems fine to me.
Takes quite a bit more than one beer to blow .1.

johnny961 08-05-2012 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Shaid (Post 8791983)
Not sure what it is everywhere, but here it's .08. Used to be .10 but apparently that made it so if you had one beer you'd still blow legal so they lowered it. I personally don't think one beer impairs you unless you weigh less than 100 or something. I think it is a little too strict. .10 seems fine to me.
There are alot of stories floating around out there about how more than one beer you are legally intoxicated. Not necessarily true. Granted for a small person it may be less but in the majority of cases those who get gigged for a DWI have had considerably more than the "couple of beers" that they claim. The person drinking an honest one or two 12oz beers with their pizza is likely not even going to get questioned over it if they do get stopped.

johnny961 08-05-2012 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by KS Smitty (Post 8791864)
Given my "advanced age" and more lenient alcohol laws when I was younger, I can tell you Bearcat (as much as I love ya) you are full of shit. "But for the Grace of God" is the only reason I'm still here, Some can say it's superb driving skills but it's really only the luck of the draw. I grew up in a fairly rural area and to this day I can say that of all my friends that were killed in auto accidents, alcohol was a contributing factor in 90% of them.
I can also attest (with witnesses) to driving or riding with someone so drunk that we shoulda died, yet we survived. Drinking and driving is stupid, and I have been that stupid more than once.

For ANYONE to think alcohol had no effect on these incidences even taking place is way loonier than an old hippie like me.
Been there. I pulled some pretty stupid shit myself when I was younger and dumber. Thankfully I am still alive to tell about it. In my posts I am not advocating or saying that I condone drinking and driving. I guess my point is that if a person chooses to drink when they know they have to drive it pays to be responsible about it and have some idea of what your personal limit is and have the discipline to not exceed it.

Reerun_KC 08-05-2012 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 8791250)
I bet no one on this forum has ever drove home from the stadium after drinking.
Say what?

BWillie 08-05-2012 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 8791814)
I don't think raising the legal limit is a good idea, because I don't believe the legal limit needs to be the percentage where it puts yourself and others at a significantly greater risk.... and from everything I've ever read and heard, .08 doesn't put yourself or others at a significantly greater risk.

The actual math I've seen when it comes to reaction times (since it's used as a scare tactic for texting while driving) shows that .08 reduces your reaction time by less than a car length at 65mph, so if you find yourself in that kind of situation, you may very well be ****ed regardless. It doesn't mean your're going to run lights and stop signs, weave in and out of your lane, etc.

I guess a lot of people here have never driven home after a few beers at a game or a pint with dinner, because that's really what we're talking about. I don't think Nucky or anyone else is condoning drinking and driving or testing the legal limits, but I know it's a sensitive subject and understand the over-reaction.
I think this post is on the right track. You have to ban everyone from driving after a few drinks because there are many people who still will not take precautions. If you have had a few...not saying its good to drive but just maintain a further following distance and do not focus on anything but driving. At .08 you aren't plowing thru red lights etc...you just have lower reactionary times. At .17 that's a different story.

mikeyis4dcats. 08-05-2012 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Undertaker (Post 8791128)
And 1,000x more people die due to non-drunk driving accidents.

What's you're point? I know when to call a cab, I've done it countless numbers of times.

All I'm saying that having a few drinks and being over the "legal limit" doesn't mean you're drunk.
ACCIDENTS are often unavoidable. DRUNK DRIVING always is.

Titty Meat 08-05-2012 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8791032)
What do you imagine the outcome of that to be?

He gets raped by a big black man.

Chief Roundup 08-05-2012 09:51 AM
No way should the limit be higher.

TimeForWasp 08-05-2012 11:12 AM
Driverless cars are the future. Cheers.:BLVD::hump:

In58men 08-05-2012 11:17 AM
I shit you not, I was at a bar and they had a breath analyzer check. After 3 12oz beers I blew a .06. I was 6'2 265lbs at the time if that matters or not. God awful

CoMoChief 08-05-2012 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats. (Post 8792465)
ACCIDENTS are often unavoidable. DRUNK DRIVING always is.
Of course it is. If you're drunk call a cab.....all I'm saying is that blowing a .08 doesn't necessarily mean your drunk, in fact in most cases it's not. That equals about a 2-3 drinks (beer) within a span of an hour or so.

CoMoChief 08-05-2012 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 8792615)
I shit you not, I was at a bar and they had a breath analyzer check. After 3 12oz beers I blew a .06. I was 6'2 265lbs at the time if that matters or not. God awful
They have one at the bar I used to go to. I think it was broke though. I remember being completely hammered and did it because I found .50cents in my pocket and tried it out. .04 after many shots and about 9-10 beers after a long night watching the UFC PPV fights. And yes I got a cab.

ThaVirus 08-05-2012 11:34 AM
I'm not perfect; I've driven drunk many, many times. With that said, I don't think the limit should be raised.

I have a friend that got a DUI recently. He blew a .24. I've read you're approaching death when you hit .26. He says he has no recollection of that night and obviously he was behind the wheel..

TimeForWasp 08-05-2012 12:12 PM
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FlaChief58 08-05-2012 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsNow (Post 8792756)
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I'm sure he thought he was "just fine" too

sedated 08-05-2012 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 8792660)
I'm not perfect; I've driven drunk many, many times. With that said, I don't think the limit should be raised.

I have a friend that got a DUI recently. He blew a .24. I've read you're approaching death when you hit .26. He says he has no recollection of that night and obviously he was behind the wheel..
I seriously doubt they would raise it to .24 so Im not sure of the point of this story.

jd1020 08-05-2012 12:42 PM
I remember a story not too long ago about a cop letting a woman off who blew a .09, I believe, later that night the woman died in a car crash. The limit isn't going anywhere.

DaFace 08-05-2012 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 8792660)
I'm not perfect; I've driven drunk many, many times. With that said, I don't think the limit should be raised.

I have a friend that got a DUI recently. He blew a .24. I've read you're approaching death when you hit .26. He says he has no recollection of that night and obviously he was behind the wheel..
I think that this is part of the issue. If you have a mentality that you can drive safely while buzzed, it's pretty tough to know where the line is. So, people drive when they shouldn't be and are unable to even tell that they are driving unsafely.

Basically, drunks are horrible at judging their own abilities, so it's best to just not do it, period.

Brock 08-05-2012 01:05 PM
The limit is more likely to be made zero than to go up.

Bearcat 08-05-2012 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 8791361)
I wish I had a quality, well calibrated breathalyzer for my own use. I almost never drive after even one drink, let alone enough to approach the limit. Still, when I was younger I drove a couple times I probably shouldn't have. Even still, I think I was more paranoid about being pulled over than buzzed. I'd be surprised if I was 0.1.

I've seen little cheap ones for sale, but I'm pretty sure they're worthless.
I've thought about wasting money on one just to have some perspective on all of the "I was perfectly fine" stories I've heard and to see if .08 is actually drunk driving or buzzed driving or slightly tipsy driving, etc. Of course, I wouldn't jump in my car at .075 or use it to justify drinking and driving in the future... simply curious how many it takes to get there (for me, anyway) and how I'd feel about driving at different levels.

JD10367 08-05-2012 01:25 PM
Here's an idea: ban drinking and driving altogether. Not a single drink. You're operating a two-ton speeding death machine, and most people drive for shit when fully sober and supposedly trying their best. States are starting to ban cellphone use. They don't allow for "a little" cellphone talking. So why the **** do we allow for "a little" drinking? And use arbitrary numbers that take few real world variables into effect? Men get drunk slower than women. Fat people get drunk slower than skinny people. People who aren't eating get drunk quicker than people who are. People who are drinking through a straw, or drinking something carbonated, get drunk quicker. For ****'s sake, we need to actually discuss HOW ****ed up is too ****ed up? How's this: you want to drink, don't ****ing drive, AT ALL. Jeez.

ThaVirus 08-05-2012 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 8792796)
I seriously doubt they would raise it to .24 so Im not sure of the point of this story.
What in God's name did you read that made you think that's what I was suggesting? I made mention of my drinking and driving habits, then my opinion on the legal limit. Then in completely separate paragraph format I told a story about a friend that got caught DWI. It was a follow up to all the talk about impaired judgement. My friend went out drinking, had a shit ton, thought he was good to drive (as well as the others in the car with him), yet didn't even recall the event the next day.

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 8792815)
I think that this is part of the issue. If you have a mentality that you can drive safely while buzzed, it's pretty tough to know where the line is. So, people drive when they shouldn't be and are unable to even tell that they are driving unsafely.

Basically, drunks are horrible at judging their own abilities, so it's best to just not do it, period.
This is pretty much what it comes to. "I'm good". Hear that all the time when, in fact, people really aren't.

GloryDayz 08-05-2012 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 8792815)
I think that this is part of the issue. If you have a mentality that you can drive safely while buzzed, it's pretty tough to know where the line is. So, people drive when they shouldn't be and are unable to even tell that they are driving unsafely.

Basically, drunks are horrible at judging their own abilities, so it's best to just not do it, period.
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