ISU and Baylor reportedly talking with Big East if Big 12 implodes.

I don't get Pitt and Syracuse to the ACC.

You are making this seem more complicated and remote than it is. There is one, and only one thing that needs to happen: the B1G needs to decide they want to expand to 16.

There is a chance they wont, they could decide to buck the trend and hold at 12, but once they expand to 13, 16 is probably inevitable because 14 is not a good number to schedule around.

If the B1G wants to expand to 16, it is difficult to credibly put together any list that excludes Kansas, given geography and their emphasis on AAU membership.

Really? Puts them in a much more stable conference which basically assures them a spot if there ends up being 4 main AQ conferences. I'm sure the Big 12 implosion has scared them shitless to go find a permanent home.

The Big East is also a sinking ship.

Syracuse nearly went to the ACC back in the last expansion with Va. Tech sneaking in at the last minute.

I've heard a number of rumors for the #15 and #16 in the ACC.

Texas and Texas Tech
Texas and KU (seriously)
Texas and Notre Dame
UConn and Rutgers

other possibilities include WVU and Villanova (if they go Div. I in football)

UConn and Rutgers probably make the easiest sense as that would take the conference from Miami up through BC with natural geographic rivalries for all. Including ND or Texas would be done for money and probably with subsequent headache.

This really might be the most speculation in a thread in the history of CP. It seems like 95% of people across the country are literally throwing crap up against the wall at this point. It wasn't that long ago that Mizzou/KU/KSU/Iowa State/blah blah blah to the Big East. The SEC might poach teams from the ACC. Now the Big East is in trouble, and the ACC looks like the position of power.

The reality is if the Big East starts falling apart... there's a strong chance some people are going to be left out in the cold, there's just too many teams. Either that or the Big East survives by adding the Big 12's leftovers, but they won't be a major football conference.

Mark my words....at the end of this there will only be one conference in all of college football! Of course they'll have to have a playoff to decide the conference champion but that's how it's going to go down.

Not really. My point was that the ACC wants these teams? I'm sure Syracuse and Pitt asked for admission, but why would the ACC want them?

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Big 12 administrator tells Orangebloods.com Syracuse and Pitt will be announced as 13th and 14th members of the #ACC on Sunday.

on the Baylor board they are saying that Texas is no longer considering the ACC since they won't take Tech. If Texas goes to the Pac and Pitt and Syracuse do go to the ACC IMO KU is screwed along with KSU/ISU and Baylor.

TV markets? What TV markets? The ACC is going to suddenly take over the TV market for Penn State with Pitt?

I wasn't aware that Syracuse mattered.

You can't be that stupid. :banghead:

Just got word that KU might wind up in the ACC later tonight unless Ga Tech remembers to scrape them off their dicks.

You mean like MU to the Big 10?

This.....

Uhhh.... They do.

Why? They are a Big East school with a small TV exposure. The rule of the day is BIG SCHOOL... BIG TV!

It further opens up NY.

These two schools are ideal additions to the ACC.

New York

New York State is NOT New York City. Outside of SE New York, upstate NY is rural. Think Vermont and New Hampshire.

Just who do you think most NYC residents root for? Its not like they have big UNY and NYSU universities to split everyone's loyalty on saturdays.

They don't care about college football.

There are plenty enough who do that NYC has to carry syracuse games.

It's better than watching funny home videos. They still don't care.

Pretty sure if I moved to NYC, that doesn't mean I all of a sudden hate college football. If anything, the NYC crowd is diverse on what teams they like.

Syracuse has large alumni bases in places like Boston and NYC. Some of you Big 12'ers really need to let go of the idea that these east coast-based leagues are going to give up on New York City in favor of Kansas City. It's just not realistic. Certainly it's not like every football fan in NYC is a Syracuse fan but it's definitely a footprint the ACC doesn't have now.

KU has way more alumni than Syracuse. Syracuse, from what I can tell, has 14,000 undergraduate students. And they want to be a player?

Duke probably has half of that. Kick 'em out.

This is what's confusing. The small schools that are protected by a conference are free and clear? Basketball doesn't matter, so why keep them?

Northwestern? Really? They're a viable football school?

Sshh...

I'm a Wake Forest grad...

I don't think it's confusing at all. Northwestern is in Chicago. It's one of the best universities in the country... and they've played in several bowl games in the past 15 years or so, although without much success.

And there's no way you'd ever get the ACC to break up the Carolina schools. That's the heart of the conference.

The point in all this mess is, "we want TV eyes!" It's apparent that TV is going to align schools. Who watches Northwestern football? Sorry, but in the scheme of things, NW doesnt' matter.

IMO, schools with less than 25K enrollment are screwed.

It’s about being able to tell advertisers you’re in a market

And there's the rub. TV ratings are a sham.

They are not a sham you are just taking the narrow view.

LMAO Enrollment has nothing to do with anything of this.

Really? So, Arizona State has nothing over TCU?

You are so clueless when it comes to all of this, its not worth arguing.

OK. You win. I get info from the attorney that is involved with the SEC and the ACC, but please, enlighten me.

Everything you have said has been ****ing stupid. From enrollments to tv ratings don't matter. Like I said you don't have a clue.

Notre Dame is screwed. They only have 8,000 undergrads. They aren't going to get into a superconference.

What happens to the rest of the Big East? Looks like Pitt & 'Cuse to the ACC is a done deal....I would think that the Big 10 would see the super conference era is coming and swoop them up. I think they would be a great fit for the Big 10. Surely Pitt and 'Cuse would want to come to the Big 10 if they could, right?

Kansas fans love to set the bar just under wherever Kansas is. KU has 26K. If they had 21K, it would be any school with less than 20K.

Thanks for starting this thread. I took a shit and hid it somewhere in the other one... forgot where and now its starting to get bad.

Search Engine much?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Kansas

Try just north of 30k.

Sure if you include the Med School...if you want to play the total enrollment game...University of Phoenix and DeVry should be a huge draw for sports.

Don't forget ITT. Don't really know what their athletic department budgets are like, though.

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I know that Notre Dame refuses to cooperate, but with the news that Pitt is going to the ACC and Iowa State may go to the Big East, this makes the most sense to me.

mizzou fans just love to suck donkey kawk so all you rancher types keep your gates lock.

You're counting Edwards campus, KU med, and all that. They are right at 25K in Lawrence. People that go to satellite schools don't tend to give a shit about the sports teams. Hell, my wife is getting her masters at Edwards, and she hates KU.

Kansas fans are well educated as evidenced by your post.

yea, you're right. i'm not experienced dealing with animal dick or i would of realized.

glad to have your expertise around to set me straight.

K-State to the B1G. LMAO

A woman scorned.

Look, I know that there is a lot of bitterness between Mizzou, Kansas, and K State fans, but coming to the Big Ten creates a geographically logical plan, maintains rivalries, and heightens the level of exposure and competition. Great rivalries such as Mizzou-Iowa (long ignored), Kansas-Iowa are set up annually, and renewed foes in Kansas-Nebraska and Mizzou-Nebraska can be restored.

Just my take... would love to have your teams in our conference.

But it makes so much sense. I printed out all the teams names and aligned them perfectly!

He went to Edwards Campus.

Kansas State doesn't have the academics for the B1G.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...range-coup-acc

I really still feel like Big12 still ends up pulling out better than they were going into it this year. Whether its just adding BYU to get back to ten(Oklahoma and Texas staying) or grabbing three BigE teams.

Big 12 is done. I am a clone too, but you are a fukn idiot. Quit posting. You embarass cyclone nation.

I wouldn't go that far. It still makes no sense for OU or UT to go west, and they wouldn't except for the bad feelings surrounding the LHN. If UT is facing the reality that they have no choice but to give in, then there may still be a deal to be struck here.

BYU SUCKS! I hope they do go to the big12-2-1

Well Syracuse and Pittsburgh are pretty much offical to the ACC now. Expect UConn and Rutgers to follow shortly. SEC will add Wes Virginia along with the Aggies. Big 12 could be adding Louisville, Cincinnati, and TCU.

It'll be funny if after all this posturing the B12 schools will have sat on their hands for so long that the ACC swooped in and saved their conference by destroying the Big East.

I'm better looking than him, make more money, and live in a better house...yet she still won't go out with me! Why?

regarding student population and alumni: there are lots of people who follow a college team even though they never went to that school. Notre Dame is one obvious example of this.

This is just anecdotal, but I have an uncle who is an absolute die-hard Auburn fan. Goes to several games a year, always wearing an AU hat, always ready to talk SEC football. He also never went to college. That doesn't matter though, because if you live in SEC country, chances are good you are going to follow SEC football because everyone around you is going to games and talking about it Monday morning.

Big East is done.

I don't see the Big 12 surviving without Texas stop insisting on running the conference.

It makes no sense, but they are doing it anyway, as Baylor is going to the Big East, which is REALLY wacky.

Big 12 should swoop in and grab TCU, Louiville, and Cincy.

It doesn't matter what the Big XII does. Every team in the conference will be negotiating to find a way out and will take it at first opportunity. Didn't the last 12 months teach people anything?

Texas cheated on it's girlfriend, and the girlfriend may say that she wants to work things out with him. In reality, she's going to go bang the Harlem Globetrotters and dump his ass.

Yeah, I think the Big XII is *officially* dead now. ACC really kicked it off with the super conferences thing.

Unless congress gets involved, the 4-16 team super conferences will happen within the next couple of years.

The Big Ten really needs to change those stupid division names.

You're an idiot. The Big East and Big12 aren't both going to blow up. If a few teams leave each conference then the leftovers are going to combine in one if nothing else. But Texas and Oklahoma aren't leaving. They would have by now if it was happening, it only took Pitt and Syracuse one day.

The whole Oklahoma to the Pac is just a ploy to get some control from Texas. Texas to the ACC is their bluff back to Oklahoma. Both teams are going to end up staying. There will be equal revenue sharing on at least the first two tier contracts. Most likely adding three BigE schools now even though just BYU has seemed the most likely until the BigE getting blown up yesterday. There is way too much money tied up in the Big12 right now, not to mention the exit fees schools are going to get from aTm. If Texas and Oklahoma do leave its going to activate the death pill clause and they will be on the hook for 70million that I don't think they want to pay the remaining Big12 schools. They are going to sign their new tier one contract in a few years and be making straight cash. Thats what its all about, Big12 isn't going anywhere.

I'm guessing this this is all just an assumption on your part.

Its desperation on his part. I think it helps him sleep at night. It is bull shit. ISU FINALLY has a great thing going with Rhoads. & this bull shit has to come along & threaten to screw it up for ISU fan. GO ISU

When Baylor and Iowa State leave after Texas A&M, and Oklahoma and Oklahoma State bolt for the Pac-12, there won't be a need to redistribute the money.

If it is a ploy, it is being done EXTREMELY poorly!