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My fav episode was the one where Crusher was running around the ship and everyone kept disappearing and then in the end it was just her and picard flying the whole ship, lol.

"Darmok" and Gilad, at Tenagra

The Inner Light (Picard lives an entire life and learns to play the flute)

Yesterday's Enterprise (Time-traveling Tasha)

Chain Of Command (Picard captured by Cardassians, interrogated by the CEO of ENCOM)

The Measure of a Man (Pinocchio Data on trial)

The best Star Trek episode in my opinion is in the DS9 franchise... "In the Pale Moonlight"

That might be my all time favorite as well. A brilliantly executed episode, and some of the best acting the franchise has seen, IMO.

"I can live with it."

Agreed.


Dark, dark story from what is normally a "Sunshines and Lolipops" franchise.

I actually liked Wesley's character, he brought something new to the show, and showed that it is okay to be a genius and showing it.

Paging Ensign Crusher, President Roslin requests you meet her party by airlock 12-A. [/mashup]

The very last episode of the series was the best to me. Shit it was better that the movie was.

I don't know. First Contact was fantastic.

Yeah, I think this is funny. What of it?

When Picard says "Q'pla!" and Worf looks over at Geordi is ****ing priceless humor

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I've got some free time in these summer months, so I'm going to take a shot and see if I like Deep Space Nine.

I know you guys have said the back half of the episodes are the best. Would you recommend starting at the beginning then and wading through the boring stuff just so I've got the continuity in place?

Yes.

Season 1 is pretty brutal but after that it picks up nicely.

The show has a lot more heart than TNG.

Interesting. I'll remember that.

If you had to rank each series 1-5 how would it look? I notice that each list looks different nearly every time for every Trekkie. My buddy who got me interested told me it went like this for him:

TNG
Voyager
Original
DS9
Enterprise

Mine would be DS9, TNG, Original, Enterprise and

















Voyager

It's a quality show. There are a few stinkers but in general all of the seasons are good quality. [I hate the Sisko emissary storyline though.]

Don't skip any. The later seasons have much longer story arcs and the first few seasons are fairly episodic, but there wasn't a single season I didn't enjoy. You will also miss out on a lot of character development if you skip the early seasons.

This.

Avery Brooks was a badass as a bald Hawk in "Spenser: For Hire". When they hired him to captain the new "Trek" series I was pumped. Then the first season started, and here was this laid-back wimp with testicle-fuzz on his head. I was sorely disappointed. Once they allowed him to shave his head and be bald again, his character became more badass Hawk-style and the show was much better.

This.

There is actually a good amount of tie in and history discussed in the earlier episodes that help you make more sense out of the later episodes. There is good character development with not only the DS9 crew, but also with the Bajoran religious leaders such as Kai Winn, Vedek Bareil, and the political situation with the Cardassians, Federation, and Bajorans.

The eps of Ds9 I got to watch were usually nop notch. The good: Badass Sisko, Dominion War, Bashir/O'brien bromance, comedic aspects (usually at Worf's expense), Worf joining the cast, the Maquis... Ogling at Leeta and Dax to a lesser extent.

The meh: Odo's existential crisis

The bad: Allamariane, count to one...

I think I've mentioned this before, but I am in the process of rewatching all DS9s and TNGs. I put them on my phone and I hang the phone on the TV on the treadmill so it is at eye level. I do my 45 minute morning run before work and I end up watching 1 episode per day. :thumb:

What episode was it where Data banged that green chick then had to go back to Vulcan to fight Kirk to the death for his childhood wife but the Enterprise couldn't make it because all those furry animal things were clogging the warp tubes?
That was a good one.

One of the best things about DS9 is the villains. Gul Dukat absolutely chews up every scene he is in, and Kai Winn is just so...hateable.

Also, if you watch every scene with Bashir and O'Brien while pretending they are gay you will be very amused. Some of their dialogue makes you wonder. LOL

Saw the Season 1 opener. When I heard the show had recurring Ferengi characters I was instantly turned off. But Quark is a damn fine character even after one episode (both parts). I love the idea of a changeling, too. Odo will probably be my favorite by the end.

I felt the same way about Sisko, JD. He was the most underwhelming character. Maybe it's because he's the new Kirk/Picard of this series, and nobody can be Kirk/Picard. But you look at promo photos of the show and you think, "Damn, this guy could probably rape faces." But he doesn't. It's his first officer who does all the face-raping.

I'm watching them over megavideo, and since the free version allows only one hour of stream per day, I'll do the same that I did with TNG and just watch one/day. So far I'm encouraged.

Every character on the show is awesome. There is no Wesley Crusher.

By the end of the series your emotional attachment to Sisko will be stronger than any Star Trek character ever. Maybe Spock.

God, you're going to love guys like Garak and probably my favorite character on the show...Martok. He really should have had his OWN show.

"FINALLY, AN AMBASSADOR WHO WILL GO TARG HUNTING WITH ME! HAW HAW HAW!"

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I have, unfortunately, never had the chance to go back and watch DS9. I gave up after season 1, which obviously was a big mistake. My Trek-absorbed friends, of which I have several, all put DS9 at either #1 or #2. If you have the opportunity, I'd definitely watch it. I certainly hope to do it myself someday. :banghead:

Yeah, but there is Jake. He's not as bad as Wesley by any means, but his reporter wussiness drives me nuts. Nog is good though.

The thing about Jake though is he is the emotional lynchpin for a lot of Sisko's great moments.

Oh, I tell you who's annoying is Ezri. She never quite fit in.

Yeah, she didn't really fit. However, that lack of fit kind of reflects how a Trill host may have issues fitting or finding his or her place afer joining with a symbiant.

Also, I found her to be rather attractive so I didn't mind her all that much.

Blame that on the Terry Farrell drama.

I would've put it up Jadzia Dax's butt. As long as it didn't end up in her Trill.

That's saying quite a bit. I tried to watch DS9 and was completely turned off during the first season. I might have to go grab the series and give it a watch. My list goes TNG, Original, Enterprise....DS9 I guess...


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Ok, Voyager was just shit. I hated it.

The really great thing about the show is the characters. Instead of introducing new aliens every episode the writers really spend time with character development and long story arcs. There are so many tremendous characters on that show. Dukat, Odo, Quark, etc. All of the bad guys are great. Garak in particular is truly one of my favorite characters of all time. Andrew Robinson is just a phenominal actor.

DS9 was just sort of there until Worf joined the cast. Prior to that, there are a few good episodes and obviously character development, but I doubt I'll bother watching anything before Season 4.

And yes, Voyager sucked ass. Lost in Space Part 2. 4321

Nice ST:TNG grouping last night on SyFy. They showed the one with Troi's mom in a coma, the one where Picard and Crusher can read each other's thoughts, the one where Worf is shifting through alternate universes (where in one he's married to Troi), the one with the Pegasus and the cloaking device, the one where warp drives are ripping holes in the universe...

And it all finished up with some episodes of "Starblazers", which I didn't even know were still being shown on any channel. I had just about shut everything down in work when I heard the theme song and was like, "No ****ing way!"

Kirk is still the best Star Trek captain of all times!!!!

'Inner Light' is the best written and most emotional of all the episodes of TNG. Before 'Best of Both Worlds' there was talk of the show being cancelled. The good moments in season 1 and 2 were few and far between.

I go back to the TOS days, but I have to call DS9 the best series. Some were turned off by the spiritual nature of the first season, but in truth everything that happened in those early episodes led up to the finale. They had some very good actors and characters on that show and worked together very well.

Voyager is the anti-DS9. Horrible acting, almost as bad as Enterprise. Enterprise hired their crew to be the best looking crew, not for their acting ability. On Voyager Robert Beltran could have read his lines offstage while they showed a cardboard cutout of him and the emotional result would have been the same. When your best actor plays a character who isn't even real, there's some trouble. They spat out the scientific poop and hit the temporal reset button so many times it broke. They even had one episode where the Doc's mobile emitter was found thousands of years later with his program inside. He showed up in the next episode with no explanation. The only thing that saved that show from cancellation was 7 of 44DD.

Eh. As a character he's a little shallow until the movies.

Sisko > Picard > TOS Kirk

The nice thing about religion in DS9 (and star trek in general) is it's really a mirror for our own culture.

DS9 does a great job showing how religion can either be a force for good or for evil.

Heh. My buddy and I were talking about how each alien race reflects a current ethnic/national/racial identity.

(Yes, these are jokes. Don't get offended)

Cardassians = Russians/Soviets
Bajorans = Afghanis/Iraqis
Ferengi = Jews
Vulcans = Chinese
Betazoids = Australians
Romulans = Nazi Germany

When does this come on Netflix Streaming again?

The Klingons were supposed to be Russia in STVI.

The Cardassians are Nazi Germany and the Romulans are the Japanese. That makes the Bajorans Jews though and I'm not sure where the Dominion fit in. Oh, wait, the Dominon are the Catholic Church. :evil:

QFT

For some reason I enjoy Voyager and I think I figured out why:

It's like popcorn cartoon star trek.

Only with live action.

Never could watch Enterprise. No LCARS, NO WATCHING!

Voyager got much better after the first 2 seasons. Still does not hold a candle to STTNG or DS9.

The last one

Gotta give TNG credit.

Until Picard, male leads had always been either male model types, or quirky, eccentric characters.

Picard was an older, balding, frail looking man, who had no funny quirks or eccentricities, and I thought at the time that it would never work.
No one was going to buy into his character.

But Stewart sold the character, and he became the epitome of authority and leadership.



You are not alone.

Not sure about swagger, but he was, as I said, the very picture of authority.

And I'd trade you 5 Uhura's for Ensign Ro.

And what I want to know is,what the hell is wrong with Ryker?

That guy walked like he had a board coming out of his ass and nailed to his left side.

Not a big Trekie as such, although over teh years, it ends up being what was on tv that night type of thing. But the wife is a HUGE trekkie, AND Star Wars fan.

Origional series:
The wives of Harry Mudd (may have title wrong)
Dude makes all these slammen women, Kirk figures out that lying to one short circuts them, Mudd gets left with a version of his dead wife who wont shut up

The trouble with Tribbles:
Only name title that ever stuck in my head.

Enterprise:
I actually liked that series, the Vulcan was HOT!! Loved the episode where it went back and showed how they did the first Warp flight.

Next Gen:
Pick one. The whole series was great. Every series has high and low points, but for a series to pick up where Capt.Kirk left us....Bravo!!

Deep Space 9:
The tall brunett with lepord spots is all I cared for on that one. Just couldn't get into it at all

Voyager:
By this time I'm burned out on ST,NG,DS9, but I loved the one where Harry manages to send 7 of 9 the message from the future that they will die if they don't change how they try a new warp design. In real time they follow the new small craft Harry builds, he and his partner make it back, Voyager ends up crashing on a planet. He figures out how to tap into 7of9's borg mind and send a message that stops the whole thing from happening.

He wore a corset after he started getting fat.

He slept his freaken way across the Galaxy...how would you walk after banging a Vadorian with 6 holes on Monday, then tangel with a Romulan who likes it rough on Tuesday??

Same ....as...Kirk. Who.....was trying.....to ...catch his breath.

T'Pal is, IMO, the hottest character of all the regulars and recurring characters in the ST universe.

July for ENT, TOS, TNG and VOY. October for DS9.

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Favorite TNG of all time? Tossup between "The Best of Both Worlds" I and II and "The Inner Light".

Most of the best episodes have already been mentioned several times, but I also liked Cause and Effect

I just saw the first season episode of DS9 "Duet", where Kira interrogates a supposed Cardassian war criminal. That was one of the best episodes of Star Trek from any series I've ever seen.

Yeah, that one had some of the best acting of any trek episode, ever. Maybe The Drumhead.

Heh heh.

You ain't seen nothing yet.

Picard in the "Inner Light" is my nominee for best acting in the series.

My favorite was the one where Troi and Crusher got drunk and had filthy lesbian sex on the exam table in Sickbay.

Oh, wait. That wasn't an episode. It was just in my mind.

"The Survivors". Alien race wipes out everybody on the planet, except for one house and an elderly couple. Find out it's an illusion, she's really dead, and he's an omnipotent being... and in his rage over the loss of his love he destroyed an entire species. Poignant.

Is it bad of me that, when the old dude is emotionally telling them how he killed all of them, everywhere in the universe, and you're supposed to feel horror over it, I could only think, "Whoa, cool, I wish I had powers like that"?

If he's omnipotent being, couldn't he have simply saved the planet?

Yeah, there is that loophole. Because he once wiped out an entire race he could no longer bring himself to kill, but I don't see why he couldn't have just disabled their weaponry or put a big mental shield around the planet or something. I don't like omnipotence with loopholes. I prefer the Qs of the universe. :)

So let me see if I understand this.

He once wiped out an entire race, so he couldn't bring himself to kill again, and he was apparently too stupid to save a planet, and a woman he loved, so in his rage for his loss wiped out another entire race?

No. He had never wiped out anything previously - he was completely peaceful. It was because of his principles that he refused to kill the invaders - instead he used tricks to try to scare them away. Eventually the tricks failed, and everybody was killed, including his wife. It was then that he snapped and wiped them all out. And even though it was a violent, nasty race of beings, he was still consumed with guilt over it.

Yeah, okay.

But still, for an ominipotent being, he sure as hell seemed an impotent protector.

Tricks?

Really?

Here's the REAL KICKER. Just a couple of months prior to the filming of that episode, John Anderson, who played Kevin Uxbridge, had lost his wife. I'm guessing he didn't have to dig too deep as an actor to portray his anguish. It is a really beautiful, emotionally wrenching episode. He wasn't really "omnipotent", but he was immortal, with vast powers.

I actually do remember the episode, though not the details.

I do, however, remember having the same questions as I was watching then as I do now.

It was a poorly thought out concept, so I couldn't find anything poignant or emotionally wrenching.

If the guy had the power to wipe out a race, then he should certainly have had the power to protect a planet.

Today I learned that Alexander Siddig's [Bashir on DS9] real name is:

Siddig El Tahir El Fadil El Siddig Abderrahman Mohammed Ahmed Abdel Karim El Mahdi

Holy shit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Siddig

As Frazod has already pointed out, it wasn't a question of whether or not he had the power to protect the planet.

He did.

But he was also very insistent upon not violating his principles, and his principles dictated his actions until he snapped and, let's just say, he over-reacted a teeny bit.

I understand what you're saying, but I bought into it when I watched the episode, and I'm usually pretty critical of episodes with plot holes and inconsistencies.

Seems like took the Jor-El code - You are forbidden to interfere with human history - to the extreme. At least until he snapped.

It was a good episode, but yet another instance where the high-minded ideals of the characters ultimately doom people around them. If Kevin had greased the evil aliens, everybody would have survived. And the fact that he did grease ALL of the evil aliens certainly saved the Federation a great deal of trouble, yet all Picard can do is look at him like he's the commandant of a Nazi death camp.

Happens a lot in Star Trek. But you learn to live with it.

Further examples of goody-goody behavior meeting the cold realities of space with bad consequences:

I Borg: Picard could have wiped out the Borg and didn't. So what if Hugh ended up all cute and cuddly? Everybody who died in First Contact would probably disagree.

Silicon Avatar: Can you really fault the mother for wanting revenge? Had it been me, I'd have told Picard to kiss my ass after the damned thing blew up. Communicate with this, bitch.

Pegasus: The admiral was right - how do you not exploit that technological breakthrough? Seriously. It would allow the Federation to neutralize almost any threat. But don't do it just to make nice with the weasel-ass Romulans? Are you ****ing kidding me? Sure would have come in handy to have that phasing cloak while fighting the Borg or the Dominion, don't you think?

The Wounded: The captain was right - the Cardassians were absolutely up to no good. Hey, let's not listen to him - let's through him to the crows! I guess Picard had a little time to rethink that one while he was being tortured by the very same Cardassians in a later episode.

I could go on and on. Again, you just have to deal with it. But almost always, the guy who goes off half-cocked or tries to is usually 100% correct.

Loaded up my Netflix Q with Star Trek stuff.

I get your point, but that's what makes these episodes so juicy. These decisions have long-term negative consequences. Most of the episodes are spent deliberating and debating these decisions, and the obvious choice isn't always the one that gets chosen. If it was just the Enterprise running around blowing shit up and owning faces, that would be badass but the drama would be missing. It also wouldn't make Picard as deep of a character, and as a result his decisions to use force and rape shit in the future wouldn't have as much meaning.

While not a TNG episode, as a fan off all fhe series, one of my favorites is DS9s 'Trials And Tibbbleations.' Using footage from TOS and combinig it with DS9 actors was pretty damn cool.

PICARD: What happened on Rana Four? The truth this time. All of it.

KEVIN: Very well. For what it's worth. I am a Douwd. An immortal being of disguises and false surroundings. I have lived in this galaxy for many thousands of years although until today, no one has known my true identity. Once, while traveling in human form, I chanced to fall in love with an Earth woman. I put aside my powers and became her husband. Our life was happy and rich. Eventually we came to this planet to live our final years. Now she is dead. She never knew what I really was.

PICARD: Your colony was attacked by a warship.

KEVIN: Belonging to the Husnock, a species of hideous intelligence who knew only aggression and destruction. I could have destroyed them with a mere thought, but I did not do so.

CRUSHER: You had the power to stop them but you didn't?

KEVIN: I refused to for the same reason I refused to stop the Enterprise. I will not kill.

PICARD: So you let the colonists fight a hopeless battle.

KEVIN: I tried to fool the Husnock as I tried to fool you. It only made them angrier. More cruel.

PICARD: And then what you most feared, happened. Rishon went to fight with the colonists, and died with them.

KEVIN: How I wish I could have died with her.

PICARD: But you couldn't. You were left alone.

KEVIN: Yes. I saw her broken body. I went insane. My hatred exploded, and in an instant of grief I destroyed the Husnock.

CRUSHER: Why did you try to hide this from all of us? Was it out of guilt for not helping Rishon and the others when they were alive?

KEVIN: No, no, no, no. You don't understand the scope of my crime. I didn't kill just one Husnock, or a hundred, or a thousand. I killed them all. All Husnock everywhere. Are eleven thousand people worth fifty billion? Is the love of a woman worth the destruction of an entire species? This is the sin I tried so hard to keep you from learning now. Why I wanted to chase you from Rana.

PICARD: We're not qualified to be your judges. We have no law to fit your crime. You're free to return to the planet and to make Rishon live again.