Thanks I plan to be around more, especially if Herm is replaced.

Thanks again

Back to the topic of this thread:

I'm not sure what to think about the Rat possibly coming to KC. I've despised the Donkeys of so long...

Nonetheless, if this were to happen, I'm struggling to think of another organization that would have made two front office moves during one off-season of the magnitude of the ones we're discussing.

Excellent.

Your return might get buried a bit in this particular thread...lol

If you crazy kids would stop using confusing acronyms, others might be able to interact with you. WB?

WTF? NTTAWWT. JK.

(subsequent responses provided the needed context)

By design I'm sure. heh

Kansas City's not beyond saving...

Larry Johnson can be the outcast.

You'd enjoy it for the pain it would inflict alone. You're decently evil at times. :evil:

I'll say this.

If this actually happens, and we end up hiring Shanahan, we will be hiring an amoral cheater who has not accomplished anything outside of Elway, whom I've sworn to always hate and disrespect, as our decision-maker on the field.

Basically, I will hate it.

No. Don't want Shanahan. Might as well hire Satan.

I'd rather have one, or the other. That's for sure.

you guys that think Shanahan is a good coach is just ammusing to me. I hate Herm, but i would rather keep him than ever have that slim ball p.o.s. Shanahan as coach. Hes probably the most overrated coach in NFL history. Its just sad.

I don't blame him. When I see the possibility of Rat Face McCheese-Eater being coach of the Chiefs, "exited" is a perfectly acceptable brain fart.

Allow me to demonstrate:

"When Shanahan became head coach of the Chiefs, my lunch exited my mouth via projectile-vomit".

"I exited the grassy knoll after blowing Shanahan's brains to hell with a sniper-rifle".

"After pissing in Shanahan's face during his presser at the Stram Theatre, I exited stage left".

Is he available?:evil:

UR V8K8SH1 iz baqon

the rat..not too shabby.

I think Pioli knows Shanahan likes to meddle in the personnel stuff so I don't think he'll be given much consideration.

This---------------next rumor

Is it just me, or is this thread missing it's entire burst?

LMAO

Seriously. When I went to bed last night, this thread, umm, "Shook", all night long.

ROFL


Alright, back to the fooball portion of the thread. I'd be Ok, with Shannahan, but he's far from my first choice. I just see him wanting more control several years down the road.

Yep. If Shanahan could hold is ego in check, I'd love to have him.

Your article is the #1 result on Google for "shanahan chiefs".

Depending on Shanahan's outlook on coaching the Chiefs, he could easily be my first choice. If he's willing to allow Scott to bring in a D coordinator for him, I don't see a better option. If we're going to draft a franchise quarterback, who better to develop him?

He was an amoral cheater only because he was in Denver. In KC and with the help of Pioli I'm sure his cheater days will all be in his past.

:)

I think there are some positives that Shannahan would bring, but I just can't wrap my mind around the idea of the rat in KC.

The fact is, I still don't believe in retreads that have won SBs elsewhere.
They seem to do well with the next team, but they never quite achieve the same kind of success that they enjoyed with thier SB teams.

I could live with him winning us 1 Super Bowl instead of 2. Especially if we beat Denver in the AFC Championship.

I'm talking about guys that didn't go on to win SBs with a second team.

Hank Stram, Mike Ditka, Bill Parcells, Dick, Mike Holmgren.

All guys that won a SB with one team who never won another with a another team.

Thinking about this a little more.....

Pioli is used to working with a powerful coach. Actually, Belichick had more power than Pioli, but each guy had a veto power on personnel. I think something similar could work here with Shanahan.

I have bigger doubts about the money. If Shanahan got all of his money owed as a going away present, it could work. But if Bowlen's payments to Shanahan decline at one to one rate with a new HC job, Shanahan will be working for free, and he won't do that. [Maybe something creative could be worked out with backloading or something?] And even if Shanny did get all his money, would he demand $7 million here, too? I don't think Clark is going to pay out over $20 million next year for GM and coaches (including Edwards' and Peterson's salary).

Isn't Grandpa the only coach to win a SB with a second team, after having won one with his original team?

No way this happens if Shannahan wants personnel control which I'm sure by now Shanny has learned his lesson of wearing too many hats in the previous org. Shanny the GM got Shanny the Coach fired.

Hands down Shanny is the best X's and O's guy 'offensively' and not to mention the best QB teacher(ala-could improve Thigpen tremendously) in the NFL. Pioli and Shanny have great admiration for one another and Shanny has always wanted to work with Gunther because he greatly respects him. Shanny really likes the Chiefs young core of talent coming up (Flowers,Carr,Bowe,Dorsey). Shanny I would think at this point would think I can just be a football coach and leave all the other stuff(GM,personnel) to somebody else and I have 45mil under the cap, Pioli,Gunther, good core of young talent and Arrowhead stadium.

I don't want him if he wants personnel control though.

I think these guys buy into their own hype, and demand full control at the next stop. Turns out most of them are good coaches and shitty GMs.

No.

He lost one with Philly.

He won his first with the Rams.

Right, of course. I ****ed that up.

Having gone to the SB with his original team, I believe he's the only coach to have won one with his second.

Sorry. Cluster**** of an original post.

This doesn't mean much b/c there's a relatively small sample size, but it is interesting to note that even very good coaches aren't usually as successful in their second stops...

Bill Parcells is actually a pretty good personnel guy, but he never brought the Pats, the Jets or the Boys a SB win.

Holmgren was a shitty personnel man, but he still hasn't achieved the same kind of success on the field, even after giving up personnel control, that he enjoyed in Green Bay.

I don't believe the others had GM responsibilities.

I don't care what he thinks. I care what I think.

I've said it before. The only positive is that he will REALLY prepare to beat Denver and Oakland every year. That's 4 important games a year to try to win.

I'm sure he'll try equally hard to win every game.

Agreed.

Yep.

Hiring the Rat just to watch Donko fans squirm when the Chiefs play them is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
Go to the Minge and see how many people are truly upset about his firing.
It's close statistic-wise to the number of Chiefs fans that want to keep Herm.

Keep the Rat's Epic Stale the hell away from my team.

I know a lot of people don't like him, but I think Shanahan would be great.

Give him a good gm to work with and outstanding ppl in the pro player personnel dept and I'll bet he'll easily be one of the best coaches in the league.

Given the fact we have Pioli, Im welcomed to having Shanahan as HC.

Bring him in! Especially if Spagnuolo is gone now. Blessing in disguise IMO.

I'd be shocked ... you guys just brought on Pioli, and that likely isn't appealing to Shanny. And, on the flipside of that... Shanny wants more control and power than your normal HC, and Pioli just left that type of situation in NE.

The Cowboys are going to lose Garrett as OC... they fired their DC and their ST coach... Wade is sitting there thinking "Hmmmm, what's up Jerry". I don't know if they'll pull that trigger, but Shanahan in Dallas would make sense. Granted, you have Jerry not wanting to give up control, but stranger things have happened.

I think Mike sits out a year, unless something wild happens in Dallas.

Yes! This! To the Cowgirls with him!

I don't know that Shanahan really wants all that much power anymore. I think he probably just wants to coach and to win some more championships.

Well, looking at the last few years... what makes you think this is what he wants to do now?

Because look where all that power got him.

Ok, but I just don't see that changing much. I think it would have to be the right scenario and I think that would be a team like Dallas more than KC. It will be interesting to see what happens.

For OC or HC?

I'm sorry, was he not in a good situation in Denver? Did I miss something? Good players good front office, good owner...

no championship since Elway left.

Yeah, RedBull types as if Mike was coaching in Detroit... he called all the shots in Denver and had an owner that let him do as he pleased.

No Championship since he gained GM responsibilities.

Backing Pioli as the GM was the smart choice in terms of talent AND name, but as far as Coaches are concerned; I'd MUCH rather see a young up and coming guy with fresh ideas who can bring kind of a "We are Marshall" trip to the Chiefs.

Only Carl, Herm, Dickie, Gun, and Krummy die in the plane crash though.

OK, but other than having a Running game, putting vasoline on players uniforms, cut blocking, and watching Elway pull inhuman throws out of his arse, what great coaching feat did he complete before taking over GM responsibilities?

Winning two Super Bowls?

ADDENDUM:

Said plane crashes in to Shanahan's new digs, taking him out as well.

It's for your own good Chiefs Nation.

Because of that great team and a HOF QB. His teams have been less than inspiring since. The tactics of his sb teams 10 yrs ago taint that imho.

You say he wants power. Only on the raiders do you have less power as HC than Dallas. Jerry Jones runs everything on that team.

Winning a shit-ton of games?

Where do people get off talking like Shanahan is a mediocre coach?

I would be OK with Gun coming back if a new HC would let Gun run HIS attack style defense instead of the shitty hybrid cover 2 shit that Herm made him run. If the abortion of a _efense that was unveiled on the field this past fall was all Guns doing and not mandated by Herm, then I want Gunther's head on a platter.

not too shabby.

It was and is still about 50/50 over the Rat being fired. The Pro side being lead mostly by Taco.
I think he's a good coach who should of stayed focused on coaching and stayed away from personnel.
That and he needs to stay away from defense.

You know what? **** this; it's time to get serious. I was hoping someone would hit on this but since there are no takers present, I'm gonna' do the job.

When the Chiefs won the Super Bowl, they came back the next year, moved in to a new stadium, and haven't seen a Super Bowl since.

When Denver won their 2nd title, the same thing happened.

When you have a Championship Franchise, you don't sit on your ass in the off season and hope for another repeat. We've hired a guy who's only purpose in life is to build that Championship Team, and keep the roster moving along through the years so that a backslide is avoided.

Mike Shanahan does NOT know how to do this. And I don't think for a NY-Minute that he's going to just sit back and be happy with whatever players Pioli sends his way.
The guy couldn't control Cutler to keep that Douche from embarrassing himself and the franchise either.
It's also obvious he doesn't know how to get his players fired-up either.

His "burst" is G-O-N-E. Shanahan to KC? I'd rather drink cat-piss.

I personally think Shanahan was building a Superbowl team in Denver. It's true that he's let the defense go while he focused his efforts on offense - especially the last two years when he liquidated Jake Plummer and started to build a team around Jay Cutler. But right now the Broncos have a powerful young offense and we're moving into this offseason with more cap money and draft picks than we've had in a decade to spend primarily on defense... And at that, Shanahan's personnel guy (Goodman) has done a superb job the last two years - probably better than anyone in the league. You'll note that while Shanahan was fired, we kept his personnel guy - effectively making him the team's GM.

Why in your opinion was he fired?

I agree, TJ.

Basically because Pat got impatient.

I've heard a few insider type things, but most of it is speculation.

At the end of the day, Shanahan wasted a lot of time trying to find a franchise quarterback to run his offense, and in that time, the defense has suffered. Shanahan probably could have kept his job if the Broncos went to the playoffs this season - but with 7 runningbacks on IR, the best he could do was .500.

Them's the breaks.

Our meltdown against SD cost Carl and Shanahan's jobs, and soon to be Herm's. Tampa's loss to Oakland cost Gruden his, and allowed Philly to do what they've done. The doormats of the AFC West had a big impact on this NFL season.

Hooray for Epic Suck!!!:doh!:

It's definitely going to be odd not seeing him on the sideline, but I am fine with the change. Shanahan built a nice offense, but the defense... man, that has been a big pile of stink for years and ultimately that is why I'm fine with the change.

It's interesting that they are keeping Dennison and Tuner - good for them, but I really hope they focus a bulk of that cap space and draft on the defense this offseason.

I'm tired of the FA misses on guys like Robertson, let's try something new.

Offensively, let's focus on that primary RB once again and keep a number of the guys we have now as insurance.

It's going to be interesting and I think it will be good. A lot of key pieces to the puzzle are there, now fix the defense.

And the Chiefs ruined the Patriots title hopes.

Please, man. You act like Shanahan wasn't even trying to fix the defense. The truth you don't seem to want to accept is that he ****ing failed horribly at it. The minute he fired Coyer it all went downhill.

Fortunately, with Pioli to hold his hand in Kansas City, we won't have that problem. :evil:

He had the defense under Vermeil and sucked. IMO, he's incompetent. Scheme aside, it's frustrating watching the defense repeat the same deficiencies every season.

Yep, his usefulness has past.

Satan! GET BEHIND ME!

I can't believe there are people STILL defending Goonther.

The Chiefs' defense started faltering during Goonther's final season as the Chiefs head coach... that had nothing to do with a "hybrid Cover 2" you are describing in your post.

Goonther's defenses were mediocre and kept the Chiefs out of the playoffs during Vermeil's final season in KC... and that had nothing to do with a "hybrid Cover 2".

That's ridiculous. The Broncos rescources have been spent primarily on defense for the last sevaral years. Hell, was it 2 years ago he spent 8 picks on three players on the defense?

That was just the year before last. You call that good dratfting? You're easy to please.

No MIA, no it's not.

I don't dream of having my dick cut off and my asshole sewn shut, buy hey; to each his own.

What the **** did you two drink today?

Offfffffffffff course; why am I NOT surprised.

It's not DaVinci, but it IS an Epic Rendering that so beautifully depicts the brain-power of the True Fan/Full reerun Chiefs fan who would support the hiring of Mike Shanahan.
TO THE SMITHSONIAN!

Yes, I've always thought the SUPER-SIZE Shit Sandwich tasted MUCH better than the regular one. :rolleyes:

Isn't ONE Hindenburg tragedy enough? I'm sure people in the old west thought the outhouse was pretty nifty before indoor plumbing, yes?

We were SO close. There was some respect however minuscule starting to happen. And now this. :shake:

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/n...r/Walken-1.jpg

Seriously what is all the hatred for Marty? He made us the 2nd winningest franchise in the 90's. his last job he went 13-3. Some bad coaching and a lot of bad luck in the playoffs ya, but he's one of the best coaches in the history of the NFL period. His day will come.

Why do so many hate a guy that did so many great things for this Team? He turned this team around from being a turd to a perenial playoff team. Dont want him back if you like, but to laugh at him like he's a joke is ridiculous.

Maybe because we know how the story ends with Marty... regular season success followed by a flameout in the playoffs.