On Scout's Inc 32 Sanchez is at 11 and Stafford is 12 or 13. I hate to say it but Pioli does like to trade down, if Sanchez or Stafford is sitting there at 3 and some team wants to jump up badly enough I think he might pull the trigger mostly because I don't know how he will evaluate the two of them, but I know he doesn't like high picks. The highest he ever drafted was 6th with Richard Seymour.

some dont though(see brett farve)

Yeah, I said Favre is a dumbass.

just saw that post sorry.

I voted Sanchez because USC has produced better NFL QB's than Georgia.

I say go after Bradford in 2010. Use Thigpen in 2009 and draft OL and DL.

Stafford...

:spock:

Sanchez....

:)

:hmmm:

Okay, let's say, for the sake of argument, that Bradford is as good as some seem to think he is.

And for the sake of argument, the Chiefs improve their lines, and get better play all around and finish with 5 or 6 wins and are picking around 8th or 9th overall in next years draft.

How do you suppose they are going to get a shot at Bradford, who will be a top 5 pick if he's as good as some think?

Oh, this is WAAAAYYYYYYY easy....

Sanchez. DEFINITELY, Sanchez. :thumb:

Bradford is a bit young right now; too bad....otherwise Sanchez would have some real competition....

:hmmm:

This! :bravo::toast:

Is that Edith Bunker?! LMAO

At this juncture, I'd say a re post of Herm and his "White Stallion/Magic-mobile" is in order:

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My ****ing god.......and we wonder why BB's get a bad rap. WTF STFU

WTF is going on around here? First of all you have to have someone to trade with. Trading down is VERY hard. Everyone on here acts like......well lets take this guy and if isn't there we will just trade down, no biggy. GUYS IT IS NOT THAT EASY!

Were the hell do you trade down to get him? These gys could go 1, 2. We should get a shot at 3, but trading down will most likely not be an option if we want QB.

For Christ sakes, wake up. Right now we should be happy that both Stafford, and Sanchez even came out early.

I voted Stafford, but I'm totally cool with either one.

I won't shed a single tear if we have to draft Sanchez.

I don't think that means he "doesn't like high picks", he just hasn't really been in that situation before...

Okay I guess my sarcasm meter must be broke

Aikman and Elway had defenses

I was told by a guy tonight at the bar that he was injury prone and that he is just another Croyle. Another big Chiefs fan said, "**** him" I HATE USC. I said, we are talking about the Chiefs, not your hatred for certain teams. He replied, "whatever, **** him".

And running backs who carried 50% of the offensive load.

Did I meet you tonight ROFL

How the **** does one dislocated knee cap make Sanchez "another Brodie Croyle"?!?

That's just straight-up DFTF:

DUMB **** TRUE FAN.

right, so I say we build up our front 7 and our offensive line and get a rb that can handle a lot of carries. we already have a good change of pace guy in Charles. Thigpen is fine and can win a SB with a great defense and a great running attack IF he can learn to take snaps under center, which I believe he can

Clayton has the same shot at boinking Carrie Underwood as Thigpen winning a Super Bowl.

If I've learned ONE THING from "The Tragedy of Darth LaDanian The Douche", it's that TWO SOLID RB's performing Running Back By Committee is something better established early rather than LATE.

That position is a beater. Hell, look at Terrell Davis. I've advocated and will CONTINUE to advocate the Two-Back Set. Used properly in the "I" formation, and with a QB who's misdirection skills are top-notch( Mark Sanchez, thank you ), it provides extra blocking/hole opening. and enough hesitation on the part of even the best defense to turn a two-yard gain in to 4 or 5.
Let's get Mike Cox involved, and rotate our Tailbacks.

WTF? That's got to be one of the du..... Never mind.

Between the two mentioned I'd take Sanchez. But I still insist neither has shown enough to be worth the 3rd pick of the draft.

Here's my choice. A picture says 1000 words.

****!! I agree with you. I must be ****ed up :eek:

I like the guy, think he is very solid and will have and easy transition to the NFL...

Dude has an arm and some serious accuracy...

As long as Herm is gone, Lets get him and start building this mother!

Trent Dilfer did...he had a great defense. Defense wins championships..thats not just a saying

not a rbbc, something like the Chargers have with LT and Sproles the Giants have with Jacobs and Ward, the Cowboys have with Barber and Jones, what we originally started with Priest and LJ

He is an exception to the rule, not the rule.

This place is getting weird.......

When you get that Okie-Bug out of your system, you'll be SURPRISED at all of the possibilities that open up!

:toast:

Dilfer was a 1st round QB also....

I HATE OU

And...........

That's what I meant. That said, having the Full Back in there makes all the difference.
He has to be able to match or excel initial burst/speed with your Tailback though. When you run a 30-base, he's your lead blocker. Your linemen open the hole, and your Fullback takes out at least one Safety.

But you know this shit, so I'll just shut up now.

Trent Dilfer was also a top 10 draft pick.

It's great that when I watch either one of these guys highlight videos..I'm saying "holy shit" over and over again at some of the great plays and throws.

I love the way Sanchez looks off safeties and uses the pump to beat coverage...pretty nice shit..

HELL YES

Master of Misdirection. I have to say that I'm thankful to you ****tards for riding my ass and thereby pushing me to look deeper in to these matters. I probably would have missed Mark altogether were it not for my burning hatred of being chumped at The Planet.
Enough of that; let's go to class again!

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Ok first and foremost to clear this up quicky..Sanchez did not injure his knee throwing a pass...he was playing catch with a LB, a tradition at the school and jumped up to catch a pass and came down awkwardly, it turned out to be nothing as he missed no game time..

That is his 1 injury and he's never missed time due to injury now we have people calling him injury prone it just makes 0 sense...

As far as decision making, last year we had people going apeshit that Matt Ryan is a bad decision maker because he threw 17 or 18 INT's, there's a hell of alot more than the INT stat that reflects decision making.

It looks like people are expecting great things from Pioli, yet still think we'll absolutely suck next year while others improve. I don't know what they're on, but I certainly don't want any of it. I think they've fried their brains.

My post may have sounded wrong, I think it is absurd to call him injury prone. It shocked me when the guy at the bar said it. I didn't know were he got his info, because he is ussually a well informed, smart, Chiefs fan.

Then I come on here when I gt home and realize 810 was sayin it..........and he was listening to 810 yesterday.

I like the guy, I want the guy, but have only really seen a game or two, and the highlights. Got any examples of him being the difference. Him coming back to win the game. Sure didn't do against Oregon. Blew it.

USC smoked Oregon.

Now, if you are talking about Oregon State, that loss wasn't really on Sanchez. It was clear that the USC gameplan was to come and run the ball. The Beavs shut it down and kept Sanchez off the field by running Quizz down their throat.

In the second half, they turned Sanchez loose and he scored 21 points in the second half. If it wasn't for a INT thrown by Sanchez when he got hit while throwing and some really bizarre play-calling (direct snaps to the running back, who then fumbles it), USC comes back to win that, IMO.

Umm, the video above shows Sanchez, with no one in his face, throw a pick into coverage on the opponents 15 yrd line, with about 20 sec to play. down by a touch.

I agree. There was an article somewhere about how you need a QB to come out of college who has at least 3 years experience and has shown improvement over those years in most categories. Otherwise, he needs to have a few years under a solid veteran QB (which we don't have) before he becomes any better.

Sorry haven't read thru the whole thread. I voted DE (kinda moot since Bradford returning to OU, but anyway...). EDIT: DOH! Should really read more carefully there... I still vote DE for #3 over a QB, but honestly, I'd be cool with LT, moving Albert to G or RT.

I have less and less time for draft research, not up to speed at all. What's the sentiment, is Sanchez worth an early 2nd? 3rd? Where should he slot on the board?

I really doubt that Pioli has his choice of the top two QBs- Detroit will almost certainly take one... or did you mean you trust Pioli to take the right player, even if it isn't a QB?

Don't think so. The pick came with 2:40 left. Sanchez has a guy hitting him in the knees as he tries to step into the throw and the ball sails slightly. Layborn, the safety, is behind the receiver and picks it and returns it to the 1 yard line. The Beavs score on the first play and miss the EP. Score is 27-14 with about 2 minutes left.

USC gets the ball and drives down and scores a TD with about 40 seconds left. Beaver fans nearly have a heart attack but relax when the Beavs get the ball on the onside kick try. The Beavs kneel out the clock and pandemonium ensues. :D

Dude. Check out the vid at the bottom of post #203.

Oregon vs.USC. Sanchez is driving for the tying score with under a min to play, and ends up throwing a pick. He is not pressured, and he threw right into coverage.

It also shows him throwing really ****ing well for most other plays. Way to only look at the one negative. I know it was crunch time and everything, but that one TD pass was ****ing awesome. I dunno, I know the pick sucked and everything, but a lot of the other shit looked awesome. And I don't even want us to take Sanchez!

I hate USC, but at this moment I would take Sanchez.

I don't know which one is the best. But if there is a clear advantage to having one over the other, then I would consider trading up to #1 with Detroit make sure we get the correct one. Our #3 and our #34 pick would come close to the points value. Not exactly, but close. That would give Detroit #3, #20, #33, and #34.

Okay, I've looked at this a few times before I originally posted it on a different thread.

If you slow it down, you'll see that the pass was money and the receiver has his hands on the ball. The defender just happened to get a fraction of a second jump on the ball and had enough paw/momentum to yank it out of the receivers hand.
The two things that impresses me about that reel are the beautiful over the shoulder pass to the receiver trucking his way to the northwest pylon and not even looking back, and the urgency/timing Mark displays moving the drive down field.

USC = University of Second Choice

Most everybody I know, including myself, have their own #1 college team with USC being their #2.

I see what the problem is. You are talking about the 2007 Oregon game that was one of the games where Sanchez was filling in for an injured Booty. I was talking about the Oregon State game that happened this season.

Oh, I agree, he looks real good, and I won't be pissed if we get him.

BUT that does not take away the fact that he's trying to come from behind, against an inferior team, that he should not have been trailing in the first place, and blows it by throwing into tight coverage, when he could have easily slid in the pocket, and found the open man.

I respect you're opinion, but you are biased on this subject.

I also think the dark horse candidate for QB is Nate Davis, the kid fits what Pioli is looking for.

Oregon was ranked higher than USC last year until Dixon got hurt. They were a very good team, especially at home. They weren't an inferior team and it was a pretty tall order to expect Sanchez to be flawless in one of his first starts, on the road, against a very good team.

No go on Spikes.

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Interesting... some background on Davis please?

Todd McShay's QB rankings:

Sanchez
Stafford
Davis
Freeman
Harrell

Todd McShay is a toaster-****ing moron.

Guys, the discussion isn't just upside, Sanchez may someday be a better QB than Stafford (but I dont personally buy it) But I think that it could take years and years, in the mold of Kurt Warner. Stafford has the physical and mental tools AND ran a more pro offense.

This is really a no-brainer for me.

What are his mental tools?

Brandon Spikes = Back to Florida.

I see Sanchez play and I see his decision-making a little fuzzier than Stafford's. I think Stafford makes the reads a hair quicker.

It was something like his second college start. The kid is going to make mistakes.

Exactly. Because Sanchez has such little experience it may take some time to develop him. Most coaches dont' have the patience, or the ability, to take a QB in the top 10 and have them sit for a year or two. With the success of Ryan and Flacco there will be even more pressure to play him as quickly as possible.

Man, I really wanted a franchise Qb out of this draft.

But you guys really believe Stafford will be there ?

If Stafford falls to us, I say we take him. But I just don't see Sanchez warranting the #3 overall pick.

If we do take Sanchez with the #3 pick, I pray to god he makes me look stupid and becomes a Hall Of Famer. I think he's a great Qb, just not sold that he's a #3 overall pick QB.

If Stafford's not there, I say we go with D-line help, or maybe an offensive tackle. But if we take a tackle, he'd have to be one bad ass SOB, because IMO we should be able to scout out a tackle to take in the 3rd round.

But if there's a real gorilla out there to replace McIntosh, I wouldn't jump up and down if we took him in the 1st. But he better be the real real deal if we're burning the 3rd overall for him.

What makes you sold on Stafford being a #3 overall pick QB?

We do need a replacement for JA. But I don't see anybody worth the third pick either. That includes Orakpo.

This sure looks like a draft year to trade down in. Not far mind you, just enough to be able to get Sanchez or Maualoga at value. I hope Pioli will find a suitable trade partner for that.

1. Stafford
2. Sanchez
3. Trade down

1. Trade down
2. Sanchez
3. Stafford

IMO.

BTW,

I think Pioli will look hard into the possibility of aquiring Cassel. The Patriots are being ridiculous about his value now, but that can change. If he pulls that off I bet he'll try to get Harrell or Freeman in later rounds to develop.

i want no part of trading our 1st round draft pick for Cassel