In the C2, Mr. OnTheWarpath58, the DBs are expected to provide a lot of support for the run.

FAX

might as well been titled "Get over it" by Rufus Dawes

That's actually not entirely accurate. The corners are. The safeties aren't supposed to provide any more run support than in any other schemes.

Besides, we're not really a Cover 2 team. That was all gross mis-labeling due to our slow, old corners last year.

isn't your dumb ass supposed to be finding a new team to cheer for by now?

So Carl, the longest tenure GM in sports who hasn't won a playoff game since Bill Clinton was in the White House and never produced a Super Bowl appearance let alone a Super Bowl victory has been a genius all along?

Speaking of putting lipstick on a pig...the person who wrote this article should be writing for Bush admin with this spin crap.

Support, Mr. FAX. In a last line of defense kind of way. In C2 the FS has a deep half.

And the strong safety would be/should be in on most of the tackles the front seven missed, not the FS.

With a solid front 7, this is a moot point.

Bowe is a no brainer. I think we will know more about Tank, and Turk by the end of this year. If Herb taylor becomes a solid backup, or starter, and the T brothers pan out, I think 07 will have been a solid draft.
It's too early to tell about 08, but it looks like the best draft we've had since I've beeen following football, and if they don't pan out, I don't think anyone is at fault. They made the right picks IMO. I'm no guru, but everyone in the country agrees, so I would say yes, Herm has made a lot of good picks, but the 06 draft doesn't look too promising to me. Hopefully they prove me wrong.

most sane people think success is a vindication for failure...


but not WPI, or True fans....no, they think 15 years of failure is vindicated by losing streaks and further embarrassment....

no wonder this franchise sucks so much penis....

in KC, "Failure = Success"

How many tackles does a FS average 50? 60? 70?.

They have to be able to tackle to be effective, not only in run support.

Should be less than 50, unless your front 7 is absolute garbage.

Thats what I was thinking. If your safeties are making tackles your front 7 is getting beat.

Generally true, Mr. ChiefsCountry. No question. However, if you really research the C2 or T2 design in depth, you find that the corners and safeties (particularly the FS) are supposed to be big hitters and provide significant run support. It's one of the reasons Dungy cited as always wanted tons of speed in those positions ... so they could roam large sections of the field in pass defense and, simultaneously, support the run. It's worth mentioning that he also looked for very heavy hitters in the defensive backfield - Lynch comes to mind.

The way to analyze this aspect of the defense is where the tackles are being made ... if it's 15 yards downfield, for example, it's a problem.

Herm and Gun are always talking about our guys not playing their gaps correctly. It's another key aspect of the C2 ... gap responsibility. You can't downplay the importance of that when you run that defense. So far as our front 7 are concerned, we may have two serious problems ... gap responsibility errors and poor tackling. When you're running the C2 and both of those mistakes are being repeated, it is death by running back.

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I was just making a point there about the most boring Superbowl I've ever watched. Read my initial post. My MAIN point was that even if we win under Herm, 3-0 or 6-3 how he likes it, I'm not going to have as much fun watching the team as a Patriots fan in the last few years, for instance.

But apparently the Chiefs Planet mob agrees with you, so I'm an idiot.

You're right, a full-tuition scholarship is not an accomplishment. Tell your kids that.

I started being an "asshole" when I was called an idiot for prefering to watch higher scoring wins to Herm Edwards style wins.

I simply offered a nice piece of evidence that most of the population would consider relevant to prove that I am not, indeed, an idiot.

Don't take it so seriously. The Your and idiot thing is a joke more than anything. I mean, look at the spelling. Didn't mean to get so far under your skin.

You know why you got so far under his skin, don't you?

It's because


Your and Idiot.

I think that has a lot to do with your lack of attatchment to either team.

I don't know anyone that would be disappointed, or felt they got cheated by watching their team win a SB 3-0 or 40-10.

In a strange way, it is vindication for Carl. Carl knows Chiefs' fans are smart enough to know that he and Herm aren't competent, so the fans really go nuts as we not only lose, but incompetently rebuild.

If it were someone with a resume like Bill Parcells leading the rebuilding effort, I think Chiefs' fans would be patient with the process.

There's an inherent problem with the whole situation -

How can a team rebuild when the guy pulling the strings is the same guy that let them get into the shape they're in now?

Without going through the five pages worth of replies to this inane article, I'll throw my two cents in, which has undoubtedly been said before.

They are rebuilding. Fine. I get it. They aren't going to win many games and they will be inconsistent from week to week. I get it. I will allow the PLAYERS to perform like they are still maturing and developing.

But answer me this:

How in the hell is Herm or Carl or anyone going to develop a QB if all the game plan calls for is running the ball up the center's a$$?

The QB throws 15 passes a game in situations that the defense knows he going to throw and these idiots wonder why the QB isn't developing as fast as they thought he would.

Give the QB and the whole team the whole playbook. Coach aggressively and your team will play aggressively. The QB will make mistakes. He'll likely throw interceptions. Chances are he may even throw a few really good passes and make big plays, too.

What the hell is Herm scared of? Losing the game? They probably will, but haven't they been doing that for the last 11 F#$$%^^^G games????

At least you'd give the fans a sense that you are at least TRYING to win.

Good point -- good GMs don't rebuild, they reload. One year at 6-10 maybe, but that's about it.

I've seen the attitude spreading now that "I get the rebuild, I accept that and I expect losses, but I didn't expect to lose like this! Why are we running the ball and not throwing more?"

Well it's tough to have it both ways at this point. Even though I would love to see it happen and have them go all out, I can see why it hasn't happened yet.

They likely feel that they can't just air it out, because the OLine won't give them enough time to do anything but a quick 3 step drop. And the QB is very inexperienced, so you can't really expect him to start lighting up a vertical game effectively. But my answer to that is "who cares?" We suck anyway. Obviously somebody still has some slight pull in wanting to win games opposed to sucking it up and getting experience regardless.... They're still trying to sell tickets you know..

But that said, I think they will be forced to throw caution to the wind eventually when this current strategy keeps failing. The problem is, there's a good chance that they'll look like equally incompetent boobs when they do try more of a downfield game and all they do is throw INTs, miss receivers, and go 3 and out while taking about 12 seconds off the playclock. Then the D gets worn out, and they look like crap on both sides of the ball. I can see how it would be easy to create one big shitty cycle of fail that affects all areas of the game if they don't play just a little bit conservatively.

QFT

OK, but what happened to the roll outs and the bootlegs and misdirection running plays we saw in the preseason? Wasn't that to keep the QB moving? the defense guessing? All I've seen so far is the same crappy offense they ran last season.

Ok safeties make tackles even on good defenses, take Bob Sanders or Ed Reed for example...Dawkins is getting old and isn't the player he use to be also so that's why he looks like he does.

Here's what I think of those players...Hali is a rotational DE a 3. Page is a 3rd safety the guy who comes in in the nickel package that is 3 safeties and not 3 corners big nickel if you will. Pollard should be a 4th safety, a guy who plays special teams, maybe plays some safety in obvious run downs or some LB in a Nickel situation, they are role players.

And if you have good safeties and LB's Pollard becomes nothing more than a special teams player with Page taking the big nickel role since he's ok in coverage.

So the Packers went 4-12, fired their coach, and McCarthy came in and went 8-8, then made it to the conference championship in his 2nd year, and is now 2-0 with a brand new inexperienced QB.

Herm inherited a 8-8 team, went to 10-6, then 4-12, and now 0-2.

One guy turned it around, and the other guy drove it into the ground.

There's no comparison.

Herm inherited a 10-6 team, then went 9-7 and 4-12.

FYP

Wow. That is one big stinkfest of a draft.

You were the anti germ guy or something like that right? Now some lame ass website lets you play writer and it is run by a ass kissing idiot so now you defend the same guy you used to trash. No surpise I guess :rolleyes:

Looks like you're wrong again you inbred jackass.

Lets start a treaty and if I ever break it I will root for a different team :) Deal?

I don't really care.

That is just an ugly and hurtful reply. So is that a no to the treaty?

Why would I give a shit about what team you root for?

I have no idea I was just trying to assure you I would not break the treaty :)

You got a dick?

Go suck it.

We let experts like you handle those responsibilities.

You like "expert males" to handle up on ya business, eh?

I guess that is a no? Why I guess I will just have to earn your trust o:-) goodnight gochiefs sleep well :D