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Hammock Parties 11-20-2007 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd
Vermeil inherited a 7-9 team, in cap hell, that was in total dissarray. Edwards inherited a 10-6 team, full of high caliber players.
We've been over this before. The notion that Herm inherited some talent-laden team is ridiculous. The offense was in sharp decline as soon as he got here. The defense was in shambles.

Bottom line...Herm deserves more of a chance.

DaKCMan AP 11-20-2007 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd
Edwards inherited a 10-6 team, full of high caliber players.
ROFL

Willie Roaf? Gone.
Will Shields? Gone.
Trent Green? Gone.
Eddie Kennison? Almost 35 years old and breaking down.
Priest Holmes? 2 years removed from football and 34 years old.


Beyond LJ, Waters and TonyG, what high caliber players did Herm inherit on O?

the Talking Can 11-20-2007 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Radar Chief
Exactly. Do we really have ridiculously conservative play calling because we have more 3 & outs than the rest of the league or do we have more 3 & outs than the rest of the league because of the ridiculously conservative play calling?
IMO, it’s the later.
it's an enigma wrapped in a cheesburger....

DaKCMan AP 11-20-2007 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can
it's an enigma wrapped in a cheesburger....
mmmm....cheeseburger :drool:

siberian khatru 11-20-2007 10:20 AM
mmmmm ... enigma :drool:

Baby Lee 11-20-2007 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by siberian khatru
mmmmm ... enigma :drool:
Before you swoon, that's not the word for shooting liquids up your butt.

Bowser 11-20-2007 10:23 AM
Honestly, that's probably as close to hearing a coach say "my team sucks" without them actually saying it.

KC Dan 11-20-2007 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by GOATSE
You're painting again.

Tony G just signed a huge contract. He's un-tradeable.
I would bet you every penny I have that if Herm went to Tony and said "we want to trade you to NE or Ind or GB and have you work a new deal with that team" that TG would jump all over it. He is flustrated as all of us are at the inept play calling and shackles put on whomever is at QB. That 4th quarter showed me all I need to see. Herm does not play to win the game, he plays to HOPE that he wins the game. And TG and the guys are seeing right through his bu*****it mantra now. Don't be surprised if the tailspin get worse.

siberian khatru 11-20-2007 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Baby Lee
Before you swoon, that's not the word for shooting liquids up your butt.
Of course, silly, that's an anemone.

the Talking Can 11-20-2007 10:30 AM
It feels like we're all arguing right past each other...

I fault Herm for being a coward in the 4th quarter. And this is not the first time he has done it.

I fault Herm for deciding - before a game is played - that we can't win. That is chickenshit.

That doesn't negate the good things he has done with our defense and most of our personnel. But it is worrisome because it points to a critical flaw...a Marty type flaw, something Chiefs fans are innately aware of and afraid of.

And Herm does himself no favors when he speaks. He does throw people under the bus. He just threw Tony, Bowe, and Croyle under the bus by saying he didn't trust them enough to let them try and win. They are prideful players and that has to sting.

Honestly, if it weren't for Croyle's presence on this team I think I would have reached a breaking point with this franchise. My ability to care is almost gone.

I can only hope that Herm doesn't ruin Croyle by turning him into a coward. But it could easily happen.

HemiEd 11-20-2007 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP
ROFL

Willie Roaf? Gone.
Will Shields? Gone.
Trent Green? Gone.
Eddie Kennison? Almost 35 years old and breaking down.
Priest Holmes? 2 years removed from football and 34 years old.


Beyond LJ, Waters and TonyG, what high caliber players did Herm inherit on O?
You need to re-read my post. I did not say high caliber exclusive to the offense. The whole team was full of "profile" guys, that was my point.
It was full of guys like Rison and Dan Williams when Dick took over. Got it?

But since you bring it up, Willie Roaf decided to retire after Herm took over. It was a very sudden change of heart, I wonder why?

Trent Green spoke up about the offensive play calling, gone.

Baby Lee 11-20-2007 10:32 AM
Evidently this was the most important game the Chiefs have EVER played.

DaKCMan AP 11-20-2007 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can
And Herm does himself no favors when he speaks. He does throw people under the bus. He just threw Tony, Bowe, and Croyle under the bus by saying he didn't trust them enough to let them try and win. They are prideful players and that has to sting.
He doesn't mention any players by name in his comments you're referring to. How do you know he's not talking about Weigman, Welbourne, Terry and Turley? Their performance directly affects what Brodie, Bowe, TG and any other skill position player can do.

DaKCMan AP 11-20-2007 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Baby Lee
Evidently this was the most important game the Chiefs have EVER played.
EVAR!

DaKCMan AP 11-20-2007 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd
But since you bring it up, Willie Roaf decided to retire after Herm took over. It was a very sudden change of heart, I wonder why?
You heard it folks! Herm Edwards caused Willie Roaf to retire!

Baby Lee 11-20-2007 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd
But since you bring it up, Willie Roaf decided to retire after Herm took over. It was a very sudden change of heart, I wonder why?
Because his wife closed her poonanny and threatened to keep it closed unless he stayed home.
Roaf was high on the season and high on the new regime in the OTAs, then he tweaked his wounds again at the end of OTAs and his wife said enuff'zenuff.

This is the shit that burns me, there is no evidence that Roaf had any problem with Herm, but that doesn't stop the innuendo.

the Talking Can 11-20-2007 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP
He doesn't mention any players by name in his comments you're referring to. How do you know he's not talking about Weigman, Welbourne, Terry and Turley? Their performance directly affects what Brodie, Bowe, TG and any other skill position player can do.
doesn't matter, he's not letting a great player like Tony have a chance to make a great play...he's not repaying Bowes's awesome self-confidence by having the confidence to throw him the damn ball....

if you won't even try you are disrespecting the work, effort, and talent of some fine players....they know that...that's why Tony is pissed, and he has the seniority, unlike Brodie and Bowe, to say something...

Chiefnj2 11-20-2007 10:36 AM
If you read between the line Herm is saying:

" I watch these guys in practice all week. I'm shocked that in a game situation they can jog from the bench and onto the field without hurting themselves or getting lost along the way. Last week we had an 11 on 2 drill. Only 2 defensive players - Bell and Kershaw and the offense still lost 3 yards on first down before turning it over on the next play. I can't risk that in a game."

DaKCMan AP 11-20-2007 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd
You need to re-read my post. I did not say high caliber exclusive to the offense.
Lets go over the D. The players left on D when Herm took over:

Jared Allen (2yr experience)
Derrick Johnson (1yr experience)
John Browning
Lionel Dalton
Carlos Hall
Eric Hicks
Junior Siavii
Ryan Sims
Shawn Barber
Kendrell Bell
Key Fox
Kawika Mitchell
Will Bartee
Sammy Knight
Dexter McCleon
Benny Sapp
Pat Surtain
Eric Warfield
Dewayne Washington
Greg Wesley
Jerome Woods


Yep, that's pretty talent-heavy.

FAX 11-20-2007 10:38 AM
Let's burn the stadium and roast marshmellows.

FAX

DaKCMan AP 11-20-2007 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by FAX
Let's burn the stadium and roast marshmellows.

FAX
Better wait until after the MU-KU game.

Baby Lee 11-20-2007 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP
Yep, that's pretty talent-heavy.
Hey! Eric Hicks can handle 0-4 better than anyone!!

siberian khatru 11-20-2007 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can
That doesn't negate the good things he has done with our defense and most of our personnel. But it is worrisome because it points to a critical flaw...a Marty type flaw, something Chiefs fans are innately aware of and afraid of.

...

Honestly, if it weren't for Croyle's presence on this team I think I would have reached a breaking point with this franchise. My ability to care is almost gone.
I think Herm is crippled by the Carl legacy. If this were 1989, we'd probably all be thrilled with what's going on. But since we've lived through all the heartbreak and failures of the past 18 years, particularly the Marty style of football from the 90s, few of us are willing to ignore the past and cut Herm some slack.

That may be unfair -- Herm may actually have the right formula, this time. But for too many of us, this path looks familiar. We were willing to accept conservative football in the 90s because 1) it was superior to the shit we played from around 1975-88, and 2) we weren't yet exposed to its critical limitations.

It's why Zouk's stuff just doesn't reach me. He clearly believes it with all his heart. He's an apostle. But I'm just not digging the gospel anymore. It's like a Christian vs. Jew thing with this team now. You either have the faith or you don't.

KCFalcon59 11-20-2007 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by siberian khatru
But we didn't recover it.

But if we want to play hypotheticals, let's play. OK, we recover it -- and run twice, gain 5 yards, then throw a 4-yard pass on 3rd down and then punt. Or get sacked in an obvious passing down. Or throw incomplete. Or run for it on 3rd down and fall short. In other words, what if we recovered -- and STILL didn't convert?

Here's another hypothetical. What if we threw deep once and got a pass interference penalty that set us up for a short FG or even a TD?

What if? What if? What if? With all due respect, that's all your post is. And although it begins on a defensive play that didn't happen, it still assumes the offense must convert it -- which is no different than all the other what-ifs the critics are throwing out.

We whittled the game down to one possession in the 4th quarter. So what did we do?

1) Run for loss; short pass; short pass; punt
2) Run for no gain; short pass; PASS FOR FIRST DOWN (!); rush for loss; rush for loss; draw; punt.

We had the ball -- just like in your scenario. What did we do with it? We played scared.

Here's what's frustrating -- Herm's game plan WORKED, right up to the point where he FAILED TO CAPITALIZE ON IT. He undermined his entire philosophy.

It's like finally scoring a date with the hot chick, and then being too afraid to give her a goodnight kiss.
QFT

Chiefnj2 11-20-2007 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP
Lets go over the D. The players left on D when Herm took over:

Jared Allen (2yr experience)
Derrick Johnson (1yr experience)
John Browning
Lionel Dalton
Carlos Hall
Eric Hicks
Junior Siavii
Ryan Sims
Shawn Barber
Kendrell Bell
Key Fox
Kawika Mitchell
Will Bartee
Sammy Knight
Dexter McCleon
Benny Sapp
Pat Surtain
Eric Warfield
Dewayne Washington
Greg Wesley
Jerome Woods


Yep, that's pretty talent-heavy.
Those are the players Herm's current DC requested. The playmakers on the current squad are guys from that list.

Hammock Parties 11-20-2007 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2
Those are the players Herm's current DC requested.
Most of them are gone.

Quote:
The playmakers on the current squad are guys from that list.
Three of them.

The rest of our defense:

Hali
Boone
Edwards
Edwards
Nap
Pollard
Page
Law

ALL HERM.

Baby Lee 11-20-2007 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by siberian khatru
I think Herm is crippled by the Carl legacy. If this were 1989, we'd probably all be thrilled with what's going on. But since we've lived through all the heartbreak and failures of the past 18 years, particularly the Marty style of football from the 90s, few of us are willing to ignore the past and cut Herm some slack.

That may be unfair -- Herm may actually have the right formula, this time. But for too many of us, this path looks familiar. We were willing to accept conservative football in the 90s because 1) it was superior to the shit we played from around 1975-88, and 2) we weren't yet exposed to its critical limitations.

It's why Zouk's stuff just doesn't reach me. He clearly believes it with all his heart. He's an apostle. But I'm just not digging the gospel anymore. It's like a Christian vs. Jew thing with this team now. You either have the faith or you don't.
If we have a Marty team, with Brodie and Bowe instead of Bono or Grbac and Rison or Lachappelle. I'LL TAKE IT!!!!

DaKCMan AP 11-20-2007 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Baby Lee
If we have a Marty team, with Brodie and Bowe instead of Bono or Grbac and Rison or Lachappelle. I'LL TAKE IT!!!!
Don't forget LJ instead of 80yr old Marcus/HarveyW/Greg Hill

FAX 11-20-2007 10:48 AM
That's a good way to look at it, Mr. Baby Lee. I'm going to try and be positive for the next couple of weeks.

Let's burn the stadium and make smores.

FAX

the Talking Can 11-20-2007 10:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by siberian khatru
I think Herm is crippled by the Carl legacy. If this were 1989, we'd probably all be thrilled with what's going on. But since we've lived through all the heartbreak and failures of the past 18 years, particularly the Marty style of football from the 90s, few of us are willing to ignore the past and cut Herm some slack.

That may be unfair -- Herm may actually have the right formula, this time. But for too many of us, this path looks familiar. We were willing to accept conservative football in the 90s because 1) it was superior to the shit we played from around 1975-88, and 2) we weren't yet exposed to its critical limitations.

It's why Zouk's stuff just doesn't reach me. He clearly believes it with all his heart. He's an apostle. But I'm just not digging the gospel anymore. It's like a Christian vs. Jew thing with this team now. You either have the faith or you don't.
you are correct, sir....that's where I am coming from...

I listen to Zouk the way an Old Man listens to some kid talk about how Creed is the best band ever.

Zouk 11-20-2007 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by siberian khatru
It's why Zouk's stuff just doesn't reach me. He clearly believes it with all his heart. He's an apostle. But I'm just not digging the gospel anymore. It's like a Christian vs. Jew thing with this team now. You either have the faith or you don't.
I understand it's hard to see it now. But Croyle and Bowe are rookies or essentially rookies this year and the O-line is stomach turning. Next year when we put more offensive talent out there with Croyle and Bowe, combined with a D that can hold the Colts to 13 in the RCA dome, it'll no longer be a question of faith. We will all see it with our own eyes.

the Talking Can 11-20-2007 10:49 AM
plus, it is undeniable that the best teams now have dynamic offenses....butt running isn't going to cut it any more...

siberian khatru 11-20-2007 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Zouk
I understand it's hard to see it now. But Croyle and Bowe are rookies or essentially rookies this year and the O-line is stomach turning. Next year when we put more offensive talent out there with Croyle and Bowe, combined with a D that can hold the Colts to 13 in the RCA dome, it'll no longer be a question of faith. We will all see it with our own eyes.
You just rang my doorbell, but I'm pretending I'm not home.


;) :p

the Talking Can 11-20-2007 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Baby Lee
If we have a Marty team, with Brodie and Bowe instead of Bono or Grbac and Rison or Lachappelle. I'LL TAKE IT!!!!
no thanks, the problem wasn't the players...it was Marty...Marty is the reason we choked...

Mecca 11-20-2007 10:55 AM
Other than that defense still needs several more players before it is top of the league caliber.

the Talking Can 11-20-2007 10:56 AM
this was good....now we need a group hug

HemiEd 11-20-2007 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP
You heard it folks! Herm Edwards caused Willie Roaf to retire!
I have said it before, I honestly believe he did. It was shortly after the "Circus Offense" comments. Willie didn't need it, **** that.

HemiEd 11-20-2007 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Baby Lee
Because his wife closed her poonanny and threatened to keep it closed unless he stayed home.
Roaf was high on the season and high on the new regime in the OTAs, then he tweaked his wounds again at the end of OTAs and his wife said enuff'zenuff.

This is the shit that burns me, there is no evidence that Roaf had any problem with Herm, but that doesn't stop the innuendo.
That is your opinion, I have mine. The timing says it all.

Hammock Parties 11-20-2007 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd
That is your opinion, I have mine. The timing says it all.
What timing?

Roaf retired well after Herm was hired. MONTHS AFTER.

Wile_E_Coyote 11-20-2007 11:04 AM
I do recall Roaf saying, DV shortened his career, with his long practices

HemiEd 11-20-2007 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP
Lets go over the D. The players left on D when Herm took over:

Jared Allen (2yr experience)
Derrick Johnson (1yr experience)
John Browning
Lionel Dalton
Carlos Hall
Eric Hicks
Junior Siavii
Ryan Sims
Shawn Barber
Kendrell Bell
Key Fox
Kawika Mitchell
Will Bartee
Sammy Knight
Dexter McCleon
Benny Sapp
Pat Surtain
Eric Warfield
Dewayne Washington
Greg Wesley
Jerome Woods


Yep, that's pretty talent-heavy.
Hmm, you still don't get it. Show me where I used the word talent. I said CALIBER, as in high character, the DV ****ing PROFILE. Or are you refusing to understand the point out of stubborness?

Baby Lee 11-20-2007 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd
That is your opinion, I have mine. The timing says it all.
As they say, everyone's entitled to their opinions, but they're not entitled to their own facts. And your opinion is entirely fact free. In case you missed it, correlation is NOT causation.

FAX 11-20-2007 11:06 AM
Speaking of morons, does Herm have a press conference today?

FAX

Hammock Parties 11-20-2007 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd
Hmm, you still don't get it. Show me where I used the word talent. I said CALIBER, as in high character, the DV ****ing PROFILE. Or are you refusing to understand the point out of stubborness?
What difference does "profile" bullshit make?

We still have high-character players all over this team.

At least some of them are talented now...

Hammock Parties 11-20-2007 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by FAX
Speaking of morons, does Herm have a press conference today?

FAX
Yes, Mr. Fax. I'm predicting people will rip him for what he says.

Baby Lee 11-20-2007 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd
Hmm, you still don't get it. Show me where I used the word talent. I said CALIBER, as in high character, the DV ****ing PROFILE. Or are you refusing to understand the point out of stubborness?
I'm sorry, I thought you wanted to win games, not Dale Carnegie awards.

bobbything 11-20-2007 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by GOATSE
Yes, Mr. Fax. I'm predicting people will rip him for what he says.
Most likely because he'll talk for 45 minutes and not really say a whole lot. The coach speak is easier to take when you're winning.

FAX 11-20-2007 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by GOATSE
Yes, Mr. Fax. I'm predicting people will rip him for what he says.
ROFL

Thanks.

FAX

FAX 11-20-2007 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by bobbything
Most likely because he'll talk for 45 minutes and not really say a whole lot. The coach speak is easier to take when you're winning.
I don't know. Maybe he'll say, "Sunday's game was on me. We wanted to protect Brodie, but we might have gone too far. I should have trusted my players more. Our guys played their hearts out against the SB champs and I should have given them a better chance to win. I won't make that mistake again."

FAX

HemiEd 11-20-2007 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Baby Lee
I'm sorry, I thought you wanted to win games, not Dale Carnegie awards.
ROFL That is just it, I am not happy with losing, apparantly you are.

bobbything 11-20-2007 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by FAX
I don't know. Maybe he'll say, "Sunday's game was on me. We wanted to protect Brodie, but we might have gone too far. I should have trusted my players more. Our guys played their hearts out against the SB champs and I should have given them a better chance to win. I won't make that mistake again."

FAX
I've got some magic beans for sale Mr. Fax. Interested?

Baby Lee 11-20-2007 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd
ROFL That is just it, I am not happy with losing, apparantly you are.
GFY

Mr. Plow 11-20-2007 11:17 AM
I'd like to formerly apologize to any and all Jets fans that I did not believe when they said we would regret hiring Herm. I was on that boat, but I really thought he would at least get 3-4 years in before I really got tired of him.

I'd also like to take this time say that the Jets organization took us to the cleaners by getting ANY draft pick out of us for Herm Edwards.

HemiEd 11-20-2007 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Baby Lee
GFY

Brilliant.

the Talking Can 11-20-2007 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can
this was good....now we need a group hug
dammit people, start hugging....

Baby Lee 11-20-2007 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd
Appropriate.
FYP

Baby Lee 11-20-2007 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can
dammit people, start hugging....
Apparantly [sp], some people are a little too focused on ascribing unjustified characteristics to others.
Ironic, coming from a guy who thinks you win NFL games with shitty players with rock solid character.

DaKCMan AP 11-20-2007 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd
ROFL That is just it, I am not happy with losing, apparantly you are.
Apparently you're happy with losing as long as the players are high caliber and the coach is DV.

Hammock Parties 11-20-2007 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP
Apparently you're happy with losing as long as the players are high caliber and the coach is DV.
I think he should start watching arena football. He just wants to be entertained. If the Chiefs were scoring 30 every week and losing, he'd be fine with it.

FAX 11-20-2007 11:34 AM
Let's burn the stadium, strip naked, paint our faces with blood, and play bongo drums!!

FAX

Baby Lee 11-20-2007 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by FAX
Let's burn the stadium, strip naked, paint our faces with blood, and play bongo drums!!

FAX
Aha!! All this faux outrage was just a long con for some communal meatpeeking.

HemiEd 11-20-2007 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP
Apparently you're happy with losing as long as the players are high caliber and the coach is DV.
No, not at all. In fact, I have no tolerance for losing, even while rebuilding. However, my point was an effort to refute GoChiefs point about Herm doing a better job than DV. In fact, Dick had a real mess he inherited. Herm started with a better team, do you agree with that? If not, you and I can not communicate.

Hammock Parties 11-20-2007 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd
However, my point was an effort to refute GoChiefs point about Herm doing a better job than DV.
I already stated they are about the same at this point. Neither accomplished or has accomplished jack. Herm does draft better, though.

Tribal Warfare 11-20-2007 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by FAX
Let's burn the stadium, strip naked, paint our faces with blood, and play bongo drums!!

FAX

You've been watching too many Mel Gibson directed movies. :D

HemiEd 11-20-2007 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by GOATSE
I think he should start watching arena football. He just wants to be entertained. If the Chiefs were scoring 30 every week and losing, he'd be fine with it.
Now you are getting out of line Mr. Germ Warefare. YOU do not have any right to qualify my Chiefs experience. The fact that after 38 years of frustration, I have been able make it entertainment, is for survival. You are the ****er that is defending losing, you. I ****ing hate it, but I hate losing ugly even worse. I hate the direction this team is headed in, I have seen it before.

HemiEd 11-20-2007 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by GOATSE
Herm does draft better, though.
We shall see, none have been in the league long enough to be qualified. We have had this discussion before as well. I do however, think Bowe could end up being one of the best Chiefs ever.
The fact that we had to give up a 2nd for DV and a 4th for Herm ****ing Edwards should tell you something. :)

Baby Lee 11-20-2007 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd
Now you are getting out of line Mr. Germ Warefare. YOU do not have any right to qualify my Chiefs experience.
Down* with Goose/Gander inequity!!!!



* - No pun intended

StcChief 11-20-2007 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd
We shall see, none have been in the league long enough to be qualified. We have had this discussion before as well. I do however, think Bowe could end up being one of the best Chiefs ever.
The fact that we had to give up a 2nd for DV and a 4th for Herm ****ing Edwards should tell you something. :)
agreed Jury still out.... but looks better (at this point) than last 8 years with DV/Gun...

FAX 11-20-2007 12:07 PM
Herm's saying the players only look at their position and don't understand the big picture of the game.

This team's strength is defense. We're not going to change with Brodie in there.

Flustrated count: 1

FAX

FAX 11-20-2007 12:09 PM
I think he just said, "... it hasn't come to fluition."

FAX

Stinger 11-20-2007 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd
Herm started with a better team, do you agree with that?
You mean the one where Herm lost a starting QB and lost an offensive line that was the staple of the #1 offense? So no line and no qb who ran the offense to perfection and a 28th rank defense. I think your history might be a little cloudy.

Stinger 11-20-2007 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd
The fact that we had to give up a 2nd for DV and a 4th for Herm ****ing Edwards should tell you something. :)
You mean you are compairing a 2nd round pick couch that in 5 years got his team to 1 playoof game in which they lost to a 4th round coach that in his first year got to a playoff game and lost. Seem to me we got more of a deal on Herm than Dick.

Quote:
Originally Posted by HemiEd
We shall see, none have been in the league long enough to be qualified. We have had this discussion before as well. I do however, think Bowe could end up being one of the best Chiefs ever.
I would end this part of your discussion right now. This is a no win situation if you want to compair draft picks.

Micjones 11-20-2007 12:23 PM
Herman Edwards is intent on waiting for the opposition to make a mistake. Screw controlling your own destiny.

Sitting on the ball going into the Half, with 1:15 and three timeouts, was unforgivable.

DaKCMan AP 11-20-2007 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Micjones
Herman Edwards is intent on waiting for the opposition to make a mistake. Screw controlling your own destiny.

Sitting on the ball going into the Half, with 1:15 and three timeouts, was unforgivable.
Not defending the move, but would driving down to watch Rayner miss another 45yd kick matter?

Donger 11-20-2007 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by FAX
I think he just said, "... it hasn't come to fluition."

FAX
ROFL

RedThat 11-20-2007 12:37 PM
I've come to the conclusion and thought, why waste breath on Herm?

This is all Carl's fault. He hired him. He thought he did a great job in NY managing both sides of the ball. But yet failed to look past his offenses in NY.

And it is Clark Hunts fault for giving a 4 year contract extension to an underachieving General manager.

It all works in sequence folks. This is what they get and deserve!

Stupid Organization

Hydrae 11-20-2007 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP
Not defending the move, but would driving down to watch Rayner miss another 45yd kick matter?

Total aside from the rest of the discussion but was Rayner still in a Chiefs uniform? If so, then you have to trust him to do his job regardless of previous performance.

Donger 11-20-2007 12:39 PM
Okay, after listening to this fuckwit, I've reached the conclusion that his only goal is to not get Brodie killed.

Coogs 11-20-2007 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Micjones
Sitting on the ball going into the Half, with 1:15 and three timeouts, was unforgivable.
I agreed with not going for it right there. If we were out around the 40, then by all means go for some points. But not back at our 20. We could have been on the lead anyway if Rayner makes a kick or two. A couple of quick incompletes, and we give the ball back to Manning near midfield with a minute to go in the half, and we are probably trailing at half. If we are out near the 40, then if things don't go well, Indy is probably getting the ball back near thier 20 with a minute to go, and we can probably hold them to the tie at half. This decision by Herm is not hard for me to understand.

Not unleashing the offense at the 8:30 mark in the 4th quarter in a 10-10 tie is another matter though.

Donger 11-20-2007 12:40 PM
He keeps saying that he KNOWS that Brodie can't do what people are asking of him. How does he KNOW that's true?


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