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Seems most of these OTs have short arms or a wart of some kind. Maybe they all slip a little because there's more better players at other positions.

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18008433)

This is a really good thread but IMO it is better to discuss this with Kelvin Banks bc man that guy is falling down the mock draft boards for some reason.

Interesting. I wonder if teams are nervous about his footspeed/ability to match up with speed and get to deeper sets?

I don't see too many other reasons to bag the guy.

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18008433)

This is a really good thread but IMO it is better to discuss this with Kelvin Banks bc man that guy is falling down the mock draft boards for some reason.

Simmons' Instagram account is following Patrick & the Chiefs. He isn't following other OL needy teams. Just saying

Why are some mocks have us moving up, giving up a 3rd and 4th, to pick a guard at 27-28?

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 18009087)

Simmons' Instagram account is following Patrick & the Chiefs. He isn't following other OL needy teams. Just saying

Saw that too lol

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 18009129)

Why are some mocks have us moving up, giving up a 3rd and 4th, to pick a guard at 27-28?

Because the people running those mocks are most likely lazy AF, thinking just because we traded Joe Thuney to the Bears that we have to go find his replacement in this draft. Trading up for a guard in the first, no less.

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18009137)

Saw that too lol

He's been following since the week before the Super Bowl

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18004773)

No, definitely not if Conerly is there. And it's most probably no anyhow. I am sure some team is going to take the chance in round 1, but I'm just going to say that after looking at this a lot I'd probably not take him until at least our 3rd round pick.

He has one of the two true career killers at this juncture in the sport. At best, there's about a 25% chance he returns to his prior performance after 2 seasons.

I'm just going to direct you guys to a study done on this injury (as well as Quad tendon tears) and leave it there.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/article...rmance%20level.

Edit: Wanted everyone to know I just recently came across that study a couple of days ago. It's drastically shifted my belief that he can ever be the same player he was and if he does, it could take a while.

This is where I've been on Simmons for quite awhile now. I just could not understand why so many people were hand-waiving that injury. I think you and I discussed it briefly a couple weeks ago.

It's a TERRIBLE injury.

The medicals won't 'check out' to any degree I'm likely to be comfortable with. All we'll know is if the surgery was basically successful and the repair was medically sound. But that'll not tell us anything about the elasticity in the knee, whether it can still explode and whether there will be long-term impacts on his ability.

I just really struggle with the whole "Before he got injured" analysis that has become so common with him. It just takes me back to the "Justyn Ross was a 1st round pick before he got hurt..." stuff.

So what? He got hurt. Now he sucks.

And that happens with more of these guys than we realize. Simmons could very easily be the next.

A torn patellar is just about as bad as it gets.

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18004706)

Gone (besides obvious ones):

Grant
Nolen
Harmon
Burden
Green
Pearce
Stewart
Emmanwori

Available:

Starks
Hampton
Conerly Jr.
Scourton
Jackson
Amos
Higgins

I'd probably take Scourton off that list though I wouldn't slam the door on Starks because I do think he's awfully good and I don't like our safety room much. That said, he's not a super explosive athlete.

So you'd be banking on him being another Kyle Hamilton sort who simply timed poorly and slide further than he should've because of it. Which is certainly possible.

But as to the original question, I'd be fine taking Scourton ahead of Simmons there and could probably be talked into 3-5 other guys as well.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18009208)

I like Scourton a lot but man. JT Tuimoloau. I am becoming a major fan of his. He’s just really really damn good and has been flashing for 3 years

Yeah he’s not making it to the Chiefs. Think today sealed that

Bouncing around against air without doing much of a real workout isn't going to seal anything for me. It's nice to see him moving, but that doesn't mean much.

If the medicals check out, he's going top 15. If they don't, you don't want him.

I really don't think he's an option.