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O.city 08-02-2018 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 13655773)
They didn't hold them to FGs, stupid playcalling and abysmal execution by Roethlisberger gifted them FGs.

They consistently, almost inexorably, marched untouched from 20 to 20, and stalled on three horrid passes once in easy FG range.
Ok.

Now do Alex and the offense

petegz28 08-02-2018 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 13655773)
They didn't hold them to FGs, stupid playcalling and abysmal execution by Roethlisberger gifted them FGs.

They consistently, almost inexorably, marched untouched from 20 to 20, and stalled on three horrid passes once in easy FG range.
I will give the d credit to the point that they often tightened up inside the 20 simply because they had the back of the end zone as a 12th defender

loochy 08-02-2018 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 13655750)
I think Vermeil "tried". I am not saying they are shooting for Vermeil style team either. Just questioning if that is what we are heading for at the moment, regardless of intent by the front office\coahces, etc.?
Do you? I think he didn't. I genuinely felt like he didn't care and told his assistants / dc "here you go, do what you can, kthxbai."
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petegz28 08-02-2018 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13655778)
18 points. That offense, scored 18 points.

If my defense gives up 18 points at home, in a playoff game, I don't care what happens, you should win. That games on Andy and the offense.
Except when maybe facing a good defense???

That game, is on the coaching PERIOD! Which is my entire ****ing point.

petegz28 08-02-2018 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 13655785)
Do you? I think he didn't. I genuinely felt like he didn't care and told his assistants / dc "here you go, do what you can, kthxbai."
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I will say be made some effort as long as it wasn't at the expense of the offense. But in St. Louis he had a defense in the top 5 the year they won the SB. So he wasn't hell bent on a formula of all offense, no defense.

O.city 08-02-2018 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 13655787)
Except when maybe facing a good defense???

That game, is on the coaching PERIOD! Which is my entire ****ing point.
But when facing a good offense, the defense got lucky to hold them to 18 points.

Going into that game, what were you thinking would have been a good outing for the D?

O.city 08-02-2018 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 13655797)
I will say be made some effort as long as it wasn't at the expense of the offense. But in St. Louis he had a defense in the top 5 the year they won the SB. So he wasn't hell bent on a formula of all offense, no defense.
Top 5 by what metric?

DaFace 08-02-2018 09:28 AM
At least this year, I don't think the offense will be that good, and I don't think the defense will be that bad.

Offense:
Green > Mahomes (most likely)
Priest > anyone on our roster
2003 OL >>> 2018 OL
Tony G > Kelce
2003 WR < 2018 WR

Defense:
2003 = giant pile of shit
2018 = Houston and Berry at least are worth something

Baby Lee 08-02-2018 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13655779)
All defenses eventually suck ass in the playoffs.

Look at the Super Bowl. Look at the Vikings. The mighty Jaguars gave up a ****ton of points to the Steelers.
Greatest Show on Turf won a home playoff game 12-10. They got a SB out of that.

Sometimes you find yourself in a dogfight 'all of a sudden.'

O.city 08-02-2018 09:31 AM
I will say though, I'm not the biggest Sutton fan, but I do think he had his hands tied last year with what he could do.

Wouldn't have been upset replacing him, but I do also feel with better talent he's not bad.

petegz28 08-02-2018 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13655799)
But when facing a good offense, the defense got lucky to hold them to 18 points.

Going into that game, what were you thinking would have been a good outing for the D?
In that game...largely. As was stated... the Steelers did more to hurt themselves than we did to stop them.

Baby Lee 08-02-2018 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13655802)
Top 5 by what metric?
fourth in the NFL in points allowed per game (15.1),
first in run defense (74.3 yards per game)
tied for the league lead with 57 sacks.
sixth in takeaways with 36
scored eight defensive touchdowns.

Sassy Squatch 08-02-2018 09:34 AM
Ah, I'd almost forgotten why I hate Bob Sutton with such a passion until I read this thread.

DaFace 08-02-2018 09:34 AM
I mean, seriously, look at our 2003 defensive starters. There's no comparison between this year's D and this pile of shit.

https://i.imgur.com/08f5zid.png

:Lin:

petegz28 08-02-2018 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 13655824)
I mean, seriously, look at our 2003 defensive starters. There's no comparison between this year's D and this pile of shit.

https://i.imgur.com/08f5zid.png

:Lin:
Again, I am not so much worried about the players as I am the guy calling the defensive plays.


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