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Sully 08-08-2009 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5957850)
This article was written by TJ Gerrity. Never heard of him so I wonder if he's basing this off a Chiefs camp report from someone or if he's at camp? Or is he just assuming the Chiefs will run the same D Zona did? Maybe someone at camp can tell us how Dorsey is lining up when he's on the field.

PhilFree:arrow:

I was up there several days last week, and that is what they are running. It's still 1-gap, meaning very little changes for the linemen and their responsibilities.

philfree 08-08-2009 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Sully (Post 5957872)
I was up there several days last week, and that is what they are running. It's still 1-gap, meaning very little changes for the linemen and their responsibilities.

Cool and thanks!

PhilFree:arrow:

TRR 08-08-2009 08:21 AM

Vrabel and Hali have recently switched spots in the 3-4. Vrabel is now over the Left Tackle, and Hali is over the Right Tackle
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philfree 08-08-2009 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 5957883)
Vrabel and Hali have recently switched spots in the 3-4. Vrabel is now over the Left Tackle, and Hali is over the Right Tackle
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You've been giving some good tidbits of info, TRR. Thanks! Here's a question for you. Is the ROLB lining up way wide so the LT has a harder time getting to him to block him? I think that's a trait of a 4-3 under type of D.

PhilFree:arrow:

TRR 08-08-2009 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5957890)
You've been giving some good tidbits of info, TRR. Thanks! Here's a question for you. Is the ROLB lining up way wide so the LT has a harder time getting to him to block him? I think that's a trait of a 4-3 under type of D.

PhilFree:arrow:

Pendergast moves both OLB's around. I've seen both Vrabel and Hali line up right over the tackle, I've seen them line up wide, and I've seen them line up inside the DE even...

They move around quite a bit. More often than not though, I would say both Hali and Vrabel line up rather wide outside both O Tackles.
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BigChiefFan 08-08-2009 09:49 AM

Dorsey's too talented not to make a solid contribution to our line. He'll be just fine.

BigVE 08-08-2009 09:57 AM

I think Dorsey will be ok but I still wouldn't expect big sack numbers from his position. What worries me more is what Rausch mentioned....Tamba struggled when he was on an island against left tackles in the past, why do they expect it to be any different now?

BigChiefFan 08-08-2009 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BigVE (Post 5957976)
I think Dorsey will be ok but I still wouldn't expect big sack numbers from his position. What worries me more is what Rausch mentioned....Tamba struggled when he was on an island against left tackles in the past, why do they expect it to be any different now?

Dorsey's alot stouter than Hali, for one. Dorsey is close to 300 lbs.

milkman 08-08-2009 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 5957980)
Dorsey's alot stouter than Hali, for one. Dorsey is close to 300 lbs.

I believe his question was why we would think that Hali is going to fare any better against the LT as a rushbacker than he did as a RDE?

BigVE 08-08-2009 10:05 AM

QUOTE:"Glenn Dorsey won't be lining up heads up over the offensive tackle, in the five-technique, on most downs. Instead, he will be shaded slightly inside, between the guard and tackle.

Lining up in this manner will allow Dorsey to play a more typical 4-3 defensive tackle role and shoot the gap when the ball is snapped. Disrupting the offense in this way allows Dorsey to utilize his unique skill set to the fullest extent.

Playing outside of him in the DE/OLB role will most likely be Tamba Hali, who on most snaps will solely be rushing the passer. He mainly will be left one-on-one with the left tackle and is expected to be able to beat him on most snaps, especially given he will start from a two point stance most of the time.
With Hali occupying the left tackle, and nose tackle Tank Tyler most likely double teamed by the center and right guard, Dorsey will be left one on one with the left guard."


What does Dorsey being 300lbs have to do with the fact that Hali is still left on an island against the LT?

aturnis 08-08-2009 10:06 AM

I guess I thought the D would look something like this...

Jackson, Tank/Edwards, Dorsey/McGee
Hali, D. Johnson, Thomas, Vrabel

Am I wrong?

BigVE 08-08-2009 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 5957986)
I guess I thought the D would look something like this...

Jackson, Tank/Edwards, Dorsey/McGee
Hali, D. Johnson, Thomas, Vrabel

Am I wrong?


Your wrong and your right...it sounds like we will be running a hybrid sort half 3-4 and half 4-3 with supposedly unpredictable personnel changes and matchups. Hopefully it will work and cause some confusion for a while.

Mr. Krab 08-08-2009 11:09 AM

I don't know how many times i've said this. Maybe somebody will actually listen now that is written in an "official" article. :rolleyes:

TheGuardian 08-08-2009 11:19 AM

Same here krab. But in this very thread you still have numb nuts acting as if it went right over there head.

And Tamba is lining up outside of the right tackle I believe. And Tamba had an off year last year, that's not uncommon. People writing the guy off after having two very solid seasons, both his first two in the league, need their head examined.

BigChiefFan 08-08-2009 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5957981)
I believe his question was why we would think that Hali is going to fare any better against the LT as a rushbacker than he did as a RDE?

Cool, I wasn't clear on it, but the point still stands, that HALI, will have help ahead of him, helping free him up.


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