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tk13 11-19-2007 11:49 PM

I'll do it, since I've about been run off the board anyway. Everyone can yell at me. But I don't think our offense is good enough to take very many risks. I just don't. That doesn't mean you shouldn't throw the ball downfield a few times to keep someone honest... but I think if we want to "play to win", we probably shouldn't get too carried away on offense. I lost faith in this offense after the Denver game. That was a defense that got roasted for 40+ points by a gung-ho offense the week before, and we tried that and got totally demolished.

Mecca 11-19-2007 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Zouk
The same thing happened to Croyle in this game. He got blind-sided by an untouched Mathis. When we go to 7 stop drops, we consistently give the OTHER team a chance to score. That's the sorry truth Herm alludes to.

And in everyone's mind Croyle is Tom Brady, but in reality he's a QB starting his first game on the road in the toughest place to throw in the whole league. The last time he played extensively (the preseason), he threw 3 picks in 40 pass attempts. Often against second and third-stringers.

So? What's the point of packin it in? The Chiefs are not going to win anything this year, call a regular game plan see what he's got maybe he'll learn something.

Croyle gains nothing and the Chiefs don't either by having him throw the safest passes imaginable.

FAX 11-19-2007 11:50 PM

This laughable bastard is really grasping at straws.

For example, the claims that he possesses vast, secret knowledge as to his players' limitations don't really stand up.

If Herm were truly able to evaluate player strengths and shortcomings, why the hell has Drummond been on the active squad for so long? Not to mention Downfield. He needs a new writer.

FAX

Zouk 11-19-2007 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca
So? What's the point of packin it in? The Chiefs are not going to win anything this year, call a regular game plan see what he's got maybe he'll learn something.

Croyle gains nothing and the Chiefs don't either by having him throw the safest passes imaginable.

Wrong - he gains something by playing in close competitive games against good teams. He learns far less in blowout losses. Things will be opened up more for him as we move on.

boogblaster 11-19-2007 11:51 PM

Herm's idiot game-decisions are like letting someone kick you in the nuts....

dirk digler 11-19-2007 11:52 PM

If Herm was smart he would just go strictly with no huddle shotgun formations.

KCJohnny 11-19-2007 11:53 PM

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The Chiefs ran out the clock rather than try for points. Edwards ordered quarterback Brodie Croyle to hand the ball twice to Kolby Smith, once for 4 yards and the next for 5, rather than attempt a pass.

“We decided we were going to run the ball on the first play,” Edwards said. “If we got a first down, if we got 15 yards or so, then we were going to go for it. But that didn’t happen. And at that point I didn’t want to give (the Colts) momentum. They had two timeouts left. If we had taken almost no time off the clock with three incomplete passes and then we punted, we would have given the ball back to Peyton Manning with two timeouts.

“Then they get the ball back to start the third quarter. I’m not giving them two shots at me without us having even one. That makes no sense to me. I’m looking at all of that and saying, ‘Wait a minute.’ We survived the first half.
I hadn't thought about it that way.
In his own way, it makes sense. Except for one thing, Herm. Your defense kicked the living piss out of the Peytons in the 1st half and held them to just 73 yards of total offense. Why not try and reward them with a real attempt to throttle the Colts? So what if they have given up only a few gains of 20+ yards. That's TONY GONZALES there. He is unstoppable. You have the rookie of the year who is like wise unstoppable. And you have a fearless QB with ice in his veins who PLAYS TO WIN THE GAME.

I love ya, Herm, but you have not realy convinced the Chiefs faithful on this one.

philfree 11-19-2007 11:54 PM

As much I wanna see more plays I have thought that the reason we don't run a screen is because our linemen can't out to block it. It was a pretty good defense by Herm but with a fresh set of downs and 7 minutes on the clock in a tie game it was time to go for it.

PhilFree:arrow:

dirk digler 11-19-2007 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13
I'll do it, since I've about been run off the board anyway. Everyone can yell at me. But I don't think our offense is good enough to take very many risks. I just don't. That doesn't mean you shouldn't throw the ball downfield a few times to keep someone honest... but I think if we want to "play to win", we probably shouldn't get too carried away on offense. I lost faith in this offense after the Denver game. That was a defense that got roasted for 40+ points by a gung-ho offense the week before, and we tried that and got totally demolished.

Good to hear from you tk! Don't allow a few douchebags to run you off.

KCFalcon59 11-19-2007 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zouk
The same thing happened to Croyle in this game. He got blind-sided by an untouched Mathis. When we go to 7 stop drops, we consistently give the OTHER team a chance to score. That's the sorry truth Herm alludes to.

And in everyone's mind Croyle is Tom Brady, but in reality he's a QB starting his first game on the road in the toughest place to throw in the whole league. The last time he played extensively (the preseason), he threw 3 picks in 40 pass attempts. Often against second and third-stringers.

The game plan was fine. At some point with the score 10-10 you have to think we could win this game. They didn't even try. That is what is annoying. They didn't even try.

Mecca 11-19-2007 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Zouk
Wrong - he gains something by playing in close competitive games against good teams. He learns far less in blowout losses. Things will be opened up more for him as we move on.

You just really love Herm don't ya......it's unfortunate that babying QB's and playing offense like that will not win you anything anymore.

Zouk 11-19-2007 11:58 PM

What's pathetic is after having the Colts D on the field for 30 plus minutes by the 4th quarter, the Chiefs try a run on 1st and 10 on the final drive and lose 5 yards. They made Josh Thomas (Josh Thomas!) look like Jared Allen. Jason Dunn got demolished. It was stomach-turning.

Hammock Parties 11-20-2007 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Zouk
What's pathetic is after having the Colts D on the field for 30 plus minutes by the 4th quarter, the Chiefs try a run on 1st and 10 on the final drive and lose 5 yards. They made Josh Thomas (Josh Thomas!) look like Jared Allen. Jason Dunn got demolished. It was stomach-turning.

Yeah man. If Jason Dunn had done his job we could have gained TWO YARDS!!!

FAX 11-20-2007 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zouk
The same thing happened to Croyle in this game. He got blind-sided by an untouched Mathis. When we go to 7 stop drops, we consistently give the OTHER team a chance to score. That's the sorry truth Herm alludes to.

And in everyone's mind Croyle is Tom Brady, but in reality he's a QB starting his first game on the road in the toughest place to throw in the whole league. The last time he played extensively (the preseason), he threw 3 picks in 40 pass attempts. Often against second and third-stringers.

Jesus, man. I know of no one who is comparing Croyle to Brady. If you're going to argue a point, please try and make some sense. This ass backwards logic is mind-numbing. For example, you make allowances for Croyle's first regular season start, but not his pre-season play? For better or worse, he appears to be the best quarterback on our roster. Should we take him out of the game so we don't accidentally give the other team a chance to score? Maybe it would be a good idea for Law to make a tackle. Or is that not a mistake?

Forgive me, you crazed loon, but I'll take Gonzo's opinion over anyone else's on this issue. Following your argument, we should just burn our uniforms and tell the league we're forfeiting the balance of our schedule because somebody on our team just might make an error.

FAX

Mecca 11-20-2007 12:00 AM

The difference in that game was simple....at the end even with an offense with half their backups forced into starting roles, they had the balls to try to win it, the Chiefs didn't.


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